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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:20 PM
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I may have (re)converted my dad!!
So I stopped by my recently initiated neocon dad's house...now my dad has, obviously, the same basic background as me and the rest of my family that is overwhelmingly democrat...but after divorcing my mom over 10 yrs ago, he remaried into a very wealthy family and has been slowly brainwashed. It didnt really occur to me that it was happening until about 2 months ago when I stopped by his work and he had a sign supporting McCullum for senate (fortunately, he got a good taste of disappointment early, as Martinez won - who Castor should beat)...I asked whose sign it was and he said it was his. He then went on to say he knows Im a liberal, but he has his own views...he went on about the kerry 'flip flops', which of course I set the record straight on, and eventually he subsided to the usual neocon conclusion 'we can agree to disagree'...I was heart broken. He knows Im a gay man, and knows this administrations views of my people. Everything I threw at him, he just 'scowled'...lol...and dismissed it like I was a crazy conspiracist liberal...
Anyways, I knew that he was just being brainwashed, but I couldn't let this happen...so today I went over to sway him...
At first, he was flipping through the station, and he made a comment that he is kind of getting tired of it all and just wants it to end...I explained that he just has PEAD and that it will be over soon...we then went out for a smoke where we each elaboraed a bit on our positions. Meanwhile, I've always kind of thought that he was a closet kerry supporter...that basically he is so surrounded by people that are hardcore cons, that he never gets the other side. He is a parts salesmman for an RV dealership. His FATHER IN LAW is the OWNER of the dealership. Needless to say they are very wealthy and very republican. Obviously, the vast majority of his customers are fairly wealthy people who can afford to buy $75,000+ R.V.'s. While many are seniors, that I think are evenly split, if not in Kerry's favor (because of the Soc Sec, RX drugs and Medicare issues), most of them are still the wealthy retired seniors that are still bushies. It then dawned on me that every time that I had talked to him before, people like this (especially his hardcore con wife) is around. Now, we were just enjoying a cigarette on the patio - alone.

Everything I said he agreed with. "Good point. You're right. Yep, thats what people are saying. That's true". He didn't argue a bit. I said look at what happened last night. OBL, the mastermind of 9/11, the person that we are supposed to have 'on the run' is comfortable, healthy, and making fun of our president. That is a disgrace, and a proven failure of this administration. I told him that they are the party of division and hatred. I told him about the person at my work who says "Oooo, look, Kerry has California...oh, but we all know that it is just liberal fags in CA". That is the republican party. White vs Black. Rich vs Poor, Gay vs Str8, Red vs Blue. It doesn't occur to them that the liberal massachusetts people and the liberal fags in CA are still Americans. I explained how the republican party is deliberately, and very obviously disenfranchising black and other democratic voters. I spoke of how OBL really wants * to win because he is a GREAT recruitment tool. I talked about my outrage over the intrusion of religion into government, and how George Washington said "The US is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine". I complained of the tax breaks for outsourced jobs, and tax loopholes for companies with bermuda mailing adresses.

He never argued. Only "You're right, I know, Uh huh"...I couldn't believe it...but then he said "So how do you think Kerry is going to change all of this"
I told him, look, I believe he will...not just him, it will take a democratic president AND congress...but I do believe he can make the right changes to get us in the right direction...but to be honest, we don't know how he'll do till he gets there. The only thing I have to go on is what * has done over the past 4 years...4 years of lost jobs, higher deficits, the widening of the class gaps (at which point I let him know that 4 yrs ago CEO's made 40 times what their employees made, on average - today they are making 500 times more)...I see a guy that chose to go into Iraq while UBL is smiling for the camera once again. I feel in my heart that tehe republican party - NOT the republicans - the party - is corrupt and evil. I have seen for 4 years how they can quickly divide and destroy our democracy.
Oh yeah, and when I talked about the disenfranchisement of voters, I said it was nothing short of a coup detat on our democracy....he said "You're right"
GASP!!!!
Needless to say, I have been grinning ear to ear all day! LOL
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nycmjkfan Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:23 PM
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1. Good news regardless
better news that you live in a battleground state!!
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:26 PM
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2. Florida baby!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:31 PM
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3. Congratulations!
Your daddy didn't raise no dummy and I'm sure he is proud of you for your political insight! Very persuasive!
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:32 PM
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4. You are VERY impressive!
Good for you! It's especially great that you didn't give up on your dad. You kept the lines of communication open so that he was receptive to your ideas. :yourock:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:33 PM
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5. I wish you could talk to my brother in law
You're a natural. :hug:
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 03:13 PM
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7. Just speak your mind
...it can't hurt
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:33 PM
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6. Wish that would work on my out-laws
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 03:26 PM
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8. Best civil discourse/disagreemetnt/real agreement story
Boy, if I tried this one with my mother, it would just prove again to me how much she is just one of those "IDIOTS FOR BUSH!" - not bothering to pull their heads out of their arses and use their brain to think instead of just sit/shit on. Spouts all this shit you know Repukes with money do.... never even thinks about anyone but herself and her money.

When she visits (rarely and only if in town for other appointments) she is always talking about herself. Never asks about her two grandkids or even talks WITH them.....

Some people - just aren't related.

Glad to read of your experience to know some relateds CAN realize the 80% of the things we all agree on but forget when we're arguing about the 20%.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 03:34 PM
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9. That is so sad.............
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 03:34 PM by Tennessee Gal
"When she visits (rarely and only if in town for other appointments) she is always talking about herself. Never asks about her two grandkids or even talks WITH them....."

Hopefully one day she will wake up and realize what she is missing out on.

I am living with my daughter right now because her sorry husband recently left her and their 14-month-old son with Downs syndrome. After he left, my daughter found out she is pregnant with their second child. As tough as this situation is, I feel blessed to be able to spend so much time with them and I am looking forward to loving my newest grandchild with all of my heart.
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MockSwede Donating Member (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:08 PM
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10. Grandkids
Enjoy them. Out-of-house husband will miss out. I have an older DS friend, now in his early 60s. Always called me 'Tom' and my (then girlfriend, now) wife 'Janice' all our years in high school. Don't know where he came up with those names. Doesn't miss the HS basketball games, still. My son's friend on the middle school soccer team has a younger brother with DS and this little guy is full of the old harry. Lots of fun to see him watching his 'bro' play and also interact with all the spectators. Most seem to be unusually good natured and friendly through their years; wish more of us other folks were, too!
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