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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:04 PM
Original message
I'm single
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 07:06 PM by pasadenaboy
why does every candidate think single people who don't make much money aren't important? All the tax policies talk about families. Never about singles.

The demographics in this country are changing with people marrying and have children later. Why are not trying to appeal to the growing number of single people?

Gosh, I wish we would quit trying to win the last election, and start worrying about this one and the ones after.

Same with the Muslim vote. There will be more Muslim votes in the US than Jewish votes, but we are not doing very much to reach out to the muslim community and get there votes. It is not smart!
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:05 PM
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1. I'm single too!
I think Clark cares about single people. Do you think there are any hot single DUers or is everyone on here a senior citizen?
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:08 PM
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2. I amended my post cause I wasn't clear, I meant in regards to tax policy
I hope there are some hot single DUers, but how will you now?

I think from the music questions I have seem answered, I think we skew over 45. however.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:10 PM
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4. Clark has tax breaks for everyone making <$100,000
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:18 PM
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9. I don't think so
every time they talk about it, they say families, so I'm assuming that's who gets them.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:21 PM
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12. There have been DU polls before on our ages
IIRC we are all over the place, but the majority of DUers are in the 25-40 range actually.

(Single and 36 over here)
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:22 PM
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14. Get OUT, really?
I figured everyone was older. You know...older people usually vote and whatnot.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:11 PM
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19. Really
Sure there are a lot of members who are older, but the 40 year olds and younger crowd are the ones who have grown up with computer tech, so there's a bit of a skew towards those age groups online.

(Also, I've met quite a few DUers and that seems to be the general age range of those I've met. It's also the general age group of the Admin too.)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:14 PM
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6. Well, I'm a
never-married single mother, and I know there are plenty of other singles and non-seniors here.

And yes, I get very tired of the focus of lawmakers always being on married couples and families. There are more unmarried people now in this country than there have ever been before, but you'd never know it from the way the politicians and media talk, and how they're always falling all over themselves to cater to married couples and families. And if I hear one more word about the "marriage penalty" I'm going to scream!

And when they do all of this tax cutting and tax breaks for the married and families, which group do you think always has to take up the slack and get more of the tax burden put on them? And do you think they even give a shit?

What I want to know is why so many legal, economic, and health benefits are tied to being married in the first place? When you marry someone, you automatically have a ton of rights and benefits unavailable to the unmarried, but which are needed by everyone (health insurance, etc.). I belong to the American Association of Single People, which works on issues like these (www.unmarriedamerica.com), one of the main issues they're working on now is tax fairness and fairness in the social security system as it relates to singles.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:09 PM
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3. Me, too!
How about a subsidy of $250 per year to each single person so that we can join Match.com or one of the other on-line dating systems. After all, it would certainly promote marriage. And the godly Mr. Bush wants to promote marriage, right?

America needs Faith-Based Dating.

--bkl
SWM ISO SWF.
Let's get to know each other in the Biblical sense.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:15 PM
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7. OMG,
that's hilarious! Now why didn't I think of that, lol!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:15 PM
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8. lol
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:10 PM
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5. Religious Demographics
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:19 PM
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10. Me Too
So what?
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:20 PM
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11. Because....
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 07:23 PM by Demobrat
it's all about the chiiiiiiildren. And of course single people are to a person selfish twits who spend all their money on partying and cosmetics. So why shouldn't we pay more for public schools, parks and prisons than the people who's offspring will eventually use them? They, after all, are raising the future citizens who will pay our social security and push our wheelchairs. Got it? Good. Because if you ain't a breeder, you don't count.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:22 PM
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13. There are more single-person households than there are
households with married couples and children.

Households with married couples and children are fewer than 1/4 of all households.

It is amazing that they get so much favorable treatment.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:26 PM
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15. There's a reason for it.
Not to put on a tinfoil hat, but married people are easier to track. They're invested in making a better life for themselves where they are.

When I was 24 and unmarried, I picked up my belongings and drove from New Orleans to San Francisco in about 48 hours. If someone wanted to track me at that age, it would have been impossible. With a wife and kids now, I can't just drop off the radar like that.

The state gives incentive to be married because you become easier to track and, once married, you now have incentive to make the system work.

Look at biographies of serial killers and terrorists. They're all single, without kids. They're not invested.

It sucks, but there's a reason the government encourages marriage.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:30 PM
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16. Yup - It's like "The Firm"
The company didn't want to hire a single lawyer. They wanted to hire someone with "a lot to lose"
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 05:43 PM
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20. I never thought
of it that way before!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:43 PM
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24. hey, let's not stereotype
I've got concerns about what you are saying. Many people who are single are VERY invested in their work, their homes, and their communities. Please do not stereotype. It may not have been true of you when you were single, but your life may not be typical of everyone else's. Further, many married folks have to move when one of the spouses is transferred. Single also does not mean young.

Those serial killers you mention are all male too. So what are we to conclude from that? What's the cause and what's the effect?

And if you'll check, some of those killers were married and some had kids.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:47 PM
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17. I'm married and have a son
and Clark's tax plan doesn't benefit us either. It's NOT just single people.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:51 PM
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18. Math
two votes are better than one
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:21 PM
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21. How many wonderful Muslim Voters are there?
I can't find an answer to that question anywhere. You'd think they would be jumping up and down for attention with our Attorney General,right? All my muslim friends support Wesley Clark, but I have no idea what percent five people are of the total muslim voters in the US. Out of all of my friends I can say they are definitely the best looking,but we're talking politics and numbers. Okay. Super! Thank You for asking! Wesley Clark had a great letter to muslims on his website. He really does have respect for all people and their chosen religion. Except maybe some people who don't agree that women should have control of their bodies and lives and not be policed according to their biological potential really don't like him. As for the children thing, a society that does not support the rearing of children, which in this country involves enormous expense, will not survive. I think the idea is to take some pressure off the married with kids because they are really hurting bad,then continue to reform. I do love that Clark will increase taxes on multi-millionaires. This will also help single, unmarried people. When in the history of this country have singles ever been treated as whole people, anyway? Even Civil Unions seem to be a huge problem for this country, especially among people of the same sex. See manipulation of religious voting blocs by Republicans in key electoral states for further clarification.



:pals:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:23 PM
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22. I agree, candidates
can ignore large segments of the population at their peril. I for one am sick of government deciding what a "family" is and using the tax code for social engineering. Penalizing and rewarding with ones money certain lifestyle choices is plain wrong and yes I am a progressive. I do NOT mind paying my fair share for instance, school taxes even though I have no children. I DO however resent people who have children not paying a dime for the services they use and giving them a tax free ride while the rest of us continue to pay pay pay. Breaks should be given to ALL working people or none at all, its that simple.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:15 PM
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23. I'm married but no kids
Same here: why the hell are they always talking about families with kids ???
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 08:30 PM
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25. Yes, there are a lot of single people who are worse off
than some families with kids.

For example:

The recent college graduate who is trying to pay off student loans while working at Starbucks

The "displaced homemaker" thrown out on the job market after twenty years staying home with the children so her husband could pursue his career. The children are out on their own, but she's struggling on a low-paying clerical or retail job.

A lesbian couple who both work for struggling non-profit social service programs

I read Clark's tax plan thoroughly, and these people do NOT benefit unless they are so poor that they qualify for the EIC.

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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 11:33 PM
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26. because you seldom contribute (not you personally, as a group)
and you don't always vote either.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 04:25 PM
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27. What is that
supposed to mean?
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