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masonfl Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:18 AM
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For those who like polls...good news in Iowa and MN
Grabbed these links from Talking Points:

Minneapolis Star Tribune Poll shows Kerry with nice lead: http://www.startribune.com/stories/784/5060798.html

Des Moines Register shows Kerry with lead in Iowa: http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041030/NEWS09/41030009/1001&lead=1

Food for thought. Probably still worth canvassing for the next few days. :)

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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:19 AM
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2. you're right about canvassing - we can't take anything for granted!
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:24 AM
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4. I was in Davenport, IA last week and seen tons of Kerry signs
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:39 AM
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7. Unless you are near a state with a tighter swing
please do continue working in IA.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:46 AM
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:00 AM
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1. "left-leaning Mr. Bush" ?
Sheesh!
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SleepingDragon Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:23 AM
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3. Very clever, but absolute nonsense.
This is a tempting little senario designed to play on the worst fears and paranoia of democrats.

It assumes:

1. Kerry will "recap" the 1st term of Clinton.
This is patent nonsense. Kerry is not Clinton.

2. Democrates really think that Kerry is an "incompetant arrogant boob"
This is what Republicans think, not Democrats

3. The media was monolithically for Clinton and will be monolithically against Kerry and that some how the media will have the same power and importance in the future that it has had in the past.
The media is no longer monolithic or particularly relevant. This forum proves that.

4. President Kerry will energize the Republican right wing.
I certainly hope so. This will split and fragment the Republican party as is already happening. In the aftermath of a Kerry victory there is going to be some pretty serious disorder and blood letting in the Republican party.

5. Democrats really want to run Hillary in 08.
More likely 2012.

6. The democratic leadership is in control of the election and can somehow engineer a close defeat.
How? The real power in the democratic party is reemerging in the grass roots.

7. Bush is left leaning.
Really! How do you figure.

8. Bush is limp wristed.
Ok I give up.

9. A Kerry loss is in the plans.
Of Karl Rove.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 04:30 AM
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:34 AM
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5. This would be much more appreciated over at FR
Here it just sounds like so much SHIT!

I'm sure your 2nd post will be much better......
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kurt_cagle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:37 AM
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6. Big Picture?
Um ... pardon me while I quietly throw up.

Okay, back.

At the risk of stating the obvious, you're an idiot. Let's cover a few ground points here, even though its frankly a waste of time:

1) Bill Clinton managed to accomplish a great deal even in the short time that he happened to have a Democratic congress, despite the fact that from the get go there were attempts to link him to just about every conceivable POS that the conservatives could. Once your Republicans decided to set up the "Contract on America" after regaining control of the House, Clinton still managed to outflank you, still managed to get re-elected after being condemned as "irrelevant" in the press, and managed to pass hugely significant pieces of legislation despite everything from the investigation into Whitewater (which cost millions and proved nothing) and then Monica-gate, to the point where he was impeached and STILL managed to outflank you idiots.

2) Kerry has a very robust and generally very successful congressional record. Bush has Arbusto (name says it all), the Texas Rangers (and Sammy Sosa), Harken (which went under), going AWOL from his cushy military obligation and a stint as a governor in Texas that resulted in massive environmental, economic, and social problems ... and that's not even starting to talk about his failures as pResident. Bush barely graduated from Harvard only because his father gave the school lots of money, Kerry was valedictorian of his class. Bush never had a military command, and from every indication couldn't even fly a goddamn plane.

3) The "media support" that you talk about has to do with the fact that under Bush, most of the Fairness Doctrine has disappeared, so that there are only about six major media corporations in the US, including the foreign sponsored Fox News (or does it bother you that Rupert Murdoch isn't even an American), the very right-wing leaning Clear-Channel radio conglomerate, CNN/Time Warner, which has become very right-leaning in recent years, and ABC/Disney. Oh, of course, NBC is also owned by General Electric, which of course has had no possible benefit from the Gulf War. Given that, you expect to see "balanced" media-support?

4) The Republican Party has already split, and the old line Conservative branch is effectively dying. What's left at its core is a fascist party with strong religious support, a party that frankly could care less about the party of Bob Dole, and perceives that they are now strong enough to attempt to become the SOLE party in the United States. The left has united not because of the attentions of the DLC, but in spite of it ... those not in the fascist camp range from enlightened libertarians to Greens, Labor to the pro-business leaning DLC, minorty groups to urban tech professionals, and to a great extent even the moderate Republicans who are being excluded from what they thought was their party. They are rising in response to a perceived threat to THEIR country and THEIR values, and are putting aside often very deep differences to see an incompetent Bush out of the White House. The DLC has very little control over the process right now (I'm not even sure the DNC is doing more than hanging on as they ride this particular earthquake).

5) Hillary Clinton is a Senator from New York. She will likely remain the Senator from New York, because being Senator is both a lot more fun and way less stressful than being president. Most people in the Democratic party know this, and we're not waiting in the wings to nominate Hillary in 2008. Get over your sick Dominatrix fantasies about Hillary Clinton -- it's about as likely that we'll see Laura Bush as President in 2008, and frankly I hope it NEVER gets that bad.

6) Every questionable voting practice I have seen in this latest election (not to mention those from the last four years) has had the imprimiteur of the GOP on it. From voter disenfranchisement through felony lists, unauditible electronic voting machines, GOP SecStates doing everything they can to make it difficult to vote, to intimidating and misleading predominantly Democratic voters, they've been overwhelmingly on the Republican side. As a computer scientist who was one of several in the country who signed a statement warning of the dangers of computerized voting systems, I can safely say that the "supposed" propaganda is in truth simply a litany of verifiable facts. You cheat and your party cheats, and then you get oh so upset when you're accused of this.

You, sir, are one of the reasons why I AM voting for Kerry and not voting for any Republicans this cycle, even though I consider myself a centrist. Your spiritual ancestors burned books at Nuremburg, and burned Jews at Auschwitz. I will not let it happen in my country, thank you.

Kurt Cagle
Publisher
Metaphorical Web Publishing

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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:52 AM
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10. you obviously missed the memo
where we went with the other plan: Kerry wins is a great president.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:57 AM
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11. why is every freep fantasy rooted in Hillary?
Is it a sex thing?
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:58 AM
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13. they were weaned too early or something
it does seem to be a rather insane obsession
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:40 AM
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8. Take your tin foil
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 01:43 AM by bush equals idiot
and go back to freeperville.

Post reply intended to message 9.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:58 AM
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12. Sounds like a fucking stupid idea to me
Kerry in a LANDSLIDE!!
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