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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:51 AM
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dirtyduck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:53 AM
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1. how bout it...
makes you crazy. mind if I quote you on my blog?
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:53 AM
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2. Short answer: Yes GOTV n/t
Professor 2
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:55 AM
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3. It's not logical...
... it's fanaticism, which by virtue of sophistry often has only the appearance of logic.

Take heart, you're not going insane. It is illogical. And, I don't think it's working very well out in the hustings. :)
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:57 AM
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4. you are correct ! especially since he keeps saying in his speeches we are
going to keep the terrorists on the run. What the heck is that going to accomplish ? Anyone that can tolerate a promise like that for 4 more years is simply misinformed.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 08:59 AM
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5. Along the same lines
the notion that Bush will be better at protecting our nation when the most devastating attack to take place on US soil happened on his watch.

He already has a record of failing to protect the country.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:02 AM
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6. yup, it's right up there with:
Kerry is building momentum in the polls and opening up a lead, so Osama releases a tape at the end of a week of solid bad news for Bushco to swing the election to Kerry so let's vote for Bushco so Osama can't influence our election. That is the most twisted syllogism I have ever seen. We are truly living in the twilight zone.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:05 AM
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9. Yeah, I was going to mention that one in my post, below
and it's one of the examples that some DU'ers were buying into -- WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

It's completely twisted.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:04 AM
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7. Yes. Yes and Yes.
Remember -- according to the Bush aide in the Suskind article, people like you and me, and most DUers still live in the "reality-based" community. But the U.S. is an empire now -- and "(the GOP) are history's actors, and we will all be left to study what they do."

Black is white. Up is down.

The GOP has raised the use of logical fallacies to an art form. The false dilemma and the variation on the ad hominem attack where the timing, delivery or tone of the message is attacked, rather than either the messenger or the message, are the basis of pretty much 90 percent of what comes out of the GOP camp.

Examples:

They've pimped terror and 9-11 for their ENTIRE campaign, used stem cell, gays, religion, and abortion as wedge issues, but they come out and say "John Kerry is wrong for politicizing (fill in the blank) (bin Laden tape) (Mary Cheney) (Stem cell research)."

Al Gore and Howard Dean are "wild eyed" because they have passion.

"You're either with us or against us."

"John Kerry testified that there were war crimes and THEREFORE HE IS A TRAITOR."

Anything that is mentioned about Bush and the Saudis -- (republican shill in disbelief): "Has Michael Moore taken over the Democratic party with his obscene PROPAGANDA??????"

They've done it so well, even Dems are falling for it. We're starting to think like that, talk like that, accept it as a way of thinking -- it's rubbing off, and it is a tragedy. It was perfected in the right-wing echo chamber of hate radio, and now the media thinks and talks like it, it's part of what we are debating. The GOP IS destroying dialogue and logic, revising the Bible, revising History -- particularly that of war and foreign policy -- they are cloaking everything in sweeping myths and sensationalized narratives.

This will be looked at, someday, hopefully, as a very dark time for the United States -- when Orwell's predictions became true.


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:05 AM
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8. It's the president, stupid
Just because he's the selected one, he can bank on a certain amount of sheeple support. And since so many are truly afraid of the US's own shadow, the lynch-mob mentality which propelled us into Iraq is ever so strong.

Luckily, there is a majority and that majority is going to vote this time. The majority will vote for change because they know the shadow cast by the B*sh is killing any progressive growth.

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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:07 AM
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10. And don't forget that other piece of
tomfoolery:

Bush is better able to protect the country because the worst-ever terrorist incident occurred on his watch.

:eyes:
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 09:08 AM
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11. He is more capable because he is more likely to nuke the entire region?
There are a lot of people who don't understand that it is impossible to kill and capture everyone we think is an enemy but that our foreign policy needs to promote making friends and fewer enemies.

These fools believe that Bush is the one who will use overwhelming force if re-elected and just bomb away killing all of our enemies in the Middle East even if it results in the deaths of thousands of innocent people and incites even more terrorism.
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