WTF? Bow-tie boy just "reported" Chimp has an IQ 4 pts higher than JK...

[karlrschneider]

has anybody else heard this crap? (He gave figures of B-94, K-91) I don't EVEN begin to believe this...
:wtf:

[robbedvoter]

1. You mean, this guy?

[stray cat]

2. Supposedly Bush has higher GRE scores I think it was.

Assuming Bush didn't pay someone to take his test. A good example of "use it or lose it".

[girl gone mad]

13. Or a good example of..

paying someone else to take the test for you?

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. He probably meant cholesterol

[mcg]

33. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" dubya

No, George, it is 'Are our children learning?"

There are numerous examples of bushisms that indicate that bush has not mastered elementary-level English. That's not true of Kerry.

Case closed.

[Mojambo]

4. I've got an IQ of 131

There is NO WAY Kerry has an IQ of 94.

I buy the Bush number though

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

5. Uh excuse me?

NEITHER man breaking 100, which is an AVERAGE IQ?

Now chimpies number, I believe, but no farging way Kerry has an IQ of 91. No way. I think he's smarter than I am and my IQ is above average. Quite a bit above. (Not bragging, I think IQ tests should be taken with a grain of salt. Just saying there's no way Kerry's is 91.)

[BOSSHOG]

6. HE HIDES IT WELL

[July]

19. BWAAAAH!!! nt

[DuaneBidoux]

7. Yea' right

Kerry speaks English (Bush doesn't even do that), French, German, Vietnamese. He quotes and has read extensively Keats and a dozen other great poets. He can actually give you a chronological order involved in the rise of Greek, Roman, and European civilization. Understands the British and French involvement and decisions in fucking up the Middle East. My brother has an iq of 102 and he runs a plastics molding machine. And he has topped out, believe me.

[CityHall]

8. Doesn't hold up on looking at test details READ THIS REBUTTAL

On Bush's Air Force qualifying test, he got 25th percentile in the pilot qualifier, which is the most IQ-like, and 95th percentile in "officer quality" which is nothing like IQ.

So using the overall test score to guess his IQ is incorrect as he got his points the easy way, but couldn't answer the "thinking" questions.

[Kierkegaard]

9. Why should we believe anything that a person with an IQ of 40

tells us?

[Nordic]

10. like I would believe anything they told me about Bush

It's not even worth discussing whether information coming from a born liar, a man who has lied all his life, is valid.

And I guarantee you JK's IQ is not below average. Average being 100.

[punpirate]

11. That info certainly comes from bloggers...

... and the root of it probably comes from a Doonesbury cartoon which used the figure of 91 for Bush's IQ. There are variants on this all over Google searches, some showing Bush as 91 and Kerry 94, others vice versa.

But, the truth is, no one has had access to Stanford-Binet test scores for any candidate.

That Tucker Carlson repeats something mythical perpetuated by conservative bloggers only confirms his utter uselessness as a reporter/commentator.

Given this, I'd be more inclined to say that Tucker's the one with the 91 IQ.... :P

[karlrschneider]

24. I took the Stanford-Binet many years ago in HS. Won't say the result,

except to say it was WAY above either of those numbers. And I agree with other posters that a raw I.Q. score isn't really a significant measure of a person's ability to do a particular job (or much of anything else, really)...it just hit me like a ton of feathers (or bricks) when he said that; I refuse to believe Chimp is superior to Kerry in intelligence, or any other way.
:grr:

[punpirate]

34. A number of people have asserted...

... that his IQ must be in the "120s" based on his SAT scores. I don't know that, in his case, that's a great indicator, since he must have been heavily tutored in SAT taking at Phillips Academy.

But, I have no doubt that he was at one time about that smart--before he burned out a bunch of brain cells on cocaine and alcohol and general mental disuse. Good brains get a lot of exercise, and Bush has never challenged himself intellectually in his life. That may be one his principal attractions to his followers, who, judging from some of their interpretations of the facts, haven't been using their noggins for a long time,either.

Cheers.

[dave502d]

12. Anybody think Bush cheated.

[Maddy McCall]

14. Kerry has a much higher iq than 91. Bush--94--I would believe...but...

Kerry is at least a 140. At least.

[fidgeting wildly]

15. Correction:

(It gives me no pleasure to defend that bow-tied little prick, by the way)

Pucker was talking about them being in the 94th and 91st percentiles, not that they scored 94 and 91.

[karlrschneider]

28. Yes, you're right...I TIVO'd it and played it back. but I still don't

believe the -relative- numbers.

[NMDemDist2]

16. that is ridiculous, those numbers are below the mean

i believe the BS opionion you are quoting is that is the percentile not the IQ numbers

the "article" gave Bush 125 and Kerry around 120. what was interesting is they came up with Bushies number from his SAT score, but Kerry's SAT was not available

:shrug:

[desertalien]

20. It's possible to score high in one area

and not in an other. A high score in visual mathmatics doesn't mean you score high in solving verbal problems, etc. So I've been told by "some people".
:eyes:

[July]

21. And who believes Bush took that SAT?

Not I.

Take a look at his college grades and tell me he's even average.

[PretzelWarrior]

17. what's he talking about? Mine is 138...and I know Kerry is smart..

Bush? I'm thinking Flowers for Algernon. Maybe 68.

[I Lean Left]

18. He's referring to percentiles.

Somebody reviewed the exams administered in the service, and some other factors. Said that Bush is smarter than 93% of the country and Kerry is smarter than 91% of the country. Within the margin of error?? ;-)

It's a weak thing to hang your hat on. It's rarely been an accurate measure of ability or success.

[Killarney]

22. He had to have been joking. An IQ of 91 and you're drooling on yourself.

In all seriousness, Kerry probably has 130-140 and Bush probably has 110-120.

[DenaliDemocrat]

25. That's Stupid

Average is 100. Neither man could have made it this far with below average intelligence. I am a little above 130 and a scientist. I would think 130 would be your average politician's IQ and President's in the 150's. Who knows though. A Bush IQ of 94 would explain an awful lot.............

[GreenPoet64]

23. Before the drugs took a few of his brain cells or after? n/t

[Lefty48197]

26. I believe the Bush 94

which technically makes him either a 'moron', and 'idiot', or an 'imbecile', I'm not sure which. They really are legal definitions of people with lower IQ's. I'm guessing Kerry is 140+.

[CityHall]

29. 94 was a percentile estimate, as pointed out above

Bush 120-130, Kerry 130-140 would be my guess. But who knows, the tests aren't that closely related to what we actually see them do (speak in public). Bush is probably dyslexic too, which would affect his score on a written test.

[gjb]

38. It just means Bush wrote his exams with a group of equally ......

mediocre candidates. So he's 6% below average.

[Sideways]

27. Good Crikey Fucktard My IQ Is HIGH And I Speak Five Languages

For Kerry to have that ability speaks volumes about his IQ. Learning new languages is difficult and add to that his ability to speak extemporaneously and you have an adult with a very high IQ.

Bush on the other hand is like the high functioning down syndrome teens I worked with when I did a thesis on low IQ/ down syndrome functioning adults in society.

Monkeys are smarter than Bush. We are disparaging good monkeys when we compare Bush to the chimps. Although I admit to loving calling him Chimpy Mc Cokespoon. Sorry chimps you deserve better.

[sonicx]

30. I believe it's BULLSHIT. Read this from Media Matters...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410250007

In an October 24 New York Times "Political Points" column titled "Secret Weapon for Bush?" John Tierney reported that right-wing columnist Steve Sailer concluded that President George W. Bush has a higher IQ than Senator John Kerry, purportedly based on their scores on military tests. But then, rather than seeking a different view on the suppositions of Sailer -- whom Tierney identifies as a conservative -- Tierney obtained validation of Sailer's findings from University of Delaware "I.Q. expert" Linda Gottfredson. Tierney didn't report that Gottfredson is herself a controversial figure whose research has been funded by the Pioneer Fund, an organization designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for its support over the years of the work of white supremacists, eugenicists, and others dedicated to proving the existence of genetic differences between races.

Gottfredson pronounced Sailer's analysis "creditable," Tierney stated in his article, adding that she "said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. 'People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand,' Professor Gottfredson said."

To obtain "expert" commentary on Sailer's findings, Tierney did not have to look far. Sailer, who describes himself as "a reporter, movie critic for The American Conservative magazine, a columnist for VDARE.com, and founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute," has written frequently in defense of both the Pioneer Fund and Gottfredson (see, for example, here). He has cited her work in both his columns for VDARE.com, an anti-immigration website, and in an January 14 article he wrote for United Press International titled "How Smart Is Bush?"

snip/more

[PurityOfEssence]

31. even the partisans don't even dare spinning more than two digits...

Sadly, Tucker's incapable of seeing what a joke he is; somehow he thinks he's some kind of cheery Bill Buckley.

[atre]

32. I would imagine this is based on their SAT scores...

Does anyone know the correlation coefficient between SAT scores and IQ scores? I would imagine the correlation is not very high, since the SAT is not designed to measure intelligence.

By the way, I would concur with all the other people in this thread who say that that IQ score has little to do with actual intelligence and virtually nothing to do with ability to handle particular jobs.

This really is a pointless exercise... I don't think there is a person alive who sincerely believes that Bush has an IQ in the 94th percentile. Everyone, even his most ardent supporters, know he is an idiot.

[donheld]

35. It's just a misplaced decimal point

bushie's IQ is .94 not 94 big difference.

[peacetalksforall]

36. Just ask yourself - knowing what you know about his capability to

learn - could you see George passing a law exam and landing a job as a prosecuting attorney or even winning a Senate seat on credentials?

[Straight Shooter]

37. Bull. Kerry's IQ is in at least mid-150's, and bush is mid-110's

bush isn't stupid, he just plays a stupid person when it suits him.

John Kerry is highly intelligent, beyond merely the measurement of IQ. He utilizes his intelligence. There's the real difference.

IQ ranges given are my estimate, based on my observation of intelligence in the general population.

Edit: IQ's were once a big interest of mine. I honestly don't think IQ matters, as long as someone can process information and act appropriately

[expatriate]

39. This strikes me as silly

Firstly, what IQ test is he talking about here? Apparently, he's not talking about an actual IQ test, but assumptions made according to Bush's SAT scores. Kerry's SAT scores aren't available for comparison. There aren't any actual IQ scores to compare.

He might as well sit there talking about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or which is better, fairies or pixies. Bizarre.

IQ scores are not a good measure of intelligence. Some people are better test takers than others. For some reason, I consistently score over 160 on the Stanford-Binet. I will be the first to tell you that is not my actual IQ - I've just always been very, very good at taking tests. Anyone watching me try to figure out an exchange rate ("now, what do I divide whatever by? Oh, the hell with it, go online and look it up") could attest to that.

It isn't the IQ, it's what you DO with it!

[Digit]

40. *'s IQ might have been in the average range at one time...

*'s IQ might have been in the average range at one time, but I believe the drug/alcohol abuse has taken a toll. We all know of his gaffes and how he cannot speak intelligently unless it is scripted.
This is why this administration put so many restraints on the debates. They know * has severe problems. Add to this the overall lack of common sense and you have a disaster on your hands.

Kerry on the other hand is thoughtful and can see the overall picture of every situation. A president who can think THROUGH all of the ramifications of his decisions is a necessity.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Kerry is keenly intelligent, and also compassionate. He is able to work well with others without bullying or trying to intimidate.

[tsuki]

44. No, he would have been at least one, if not two std deviations at one time

But, on viewing tapes from his years as Gov'r and now, there is a problem developing.

You watch that commercial, this is your brain (break the egg and drop it in a sizzling fry pan) - this is your brain on drugs. Then view the tapes.

Yeah, there is something going on.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. More like Kerry 141, Bush 44.

n/t

[enki23]

42. so even if true, that's measured BEFORE decades of alcoholism

.

[tsuki]

43. That's 3