Bush is a Kennedy-style Democrat, Kerry an old-school Republican, so...

[LarryBaker]

...who am I supposed to vote for again?

Andrew Sullivan's piece in the latest issue of Time makes you think:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101041101/nandrew.html

Why the Old Labels Don't Stick

Left, right, center? With Bush and Kerry, there's a lot to be confused about

Why is this election so hard for so many people? Here's one theory. It's not so easy to tell who's the liberal and who's the conservative anymore. You want a candidate who pumps unprecedented amounts of money into agricultural subsidies, uses tariffs to protect some American industries and adds a whole new entitlement to Medicare? That would be the, er, Republican, George W. Bush.

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The question we face in this election is therefore a truly befuddling one: In a world in crisis, is there a greater risk in Bush's radicalism or Kerry's conservatism? And what do right and left mean anymore, anyway?

[LoZoccolo]

1. And you are?

What's your point?

[LarryBaker]

5. I'm the guy who wants to vote for the one to the left of the other

My point was that not everyone seems to think it's that easy figuring it out.

[emulatorloo]

9. Bush is a reactionary. . .how hard can it be?

EOM

[Robbie67]

2. I don't see this post lasting too long

Ansdrew Sullivan is a gay supporting gay-haters. It's no wonder he's confused about what's what.

[Old and In the Way]

3. I agree, labels are confusing.

But I know a fascist when I see one. That's why I'm voting for John Forbes Kerry.

[Name removed]

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[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. Enough of this comparing Kennedy to Bush Crap!!!!

I don't see this crap post lasting too long! :grr:

Kennedy was a fiscal conservative, pro-civil rights, and Anti-War, but was willing to use the military to backup threats of force against REAL THREATS to America!

This article is crap!!!

Kennedy = Kerry and Bush = Right Wing Rethug!

[charlyvi]

7. Bush is no fucking way a JFK style dem. n/t

[rot0r_head]

8. Copyright, anyone?

You might want to edit your post down to a four paragraph exerpt or risk a moderator deleting it.

[LarryBaker]

10. Didn't think about that. Edited.

[MADem]

11. ANDREW SULLIVAN is confused, but not voting for BUSH

Read his tortured blog, he rejects him.

He is gay, HIV+, a hawk (easy to be one when you'll never have to serve), an "Anglo-American" and the last queer in America to finally realize that weecowboy HATES him and WANTS HIM DEAD.

He is a horribly conflicted person who is desperate to hold on to some of his beliefs, while at the same time saying things that are "outrageous" just to keep the crowds riled, his blog hits up, his column syndication rising, and his contracts with political mags renewed. To say nothing of ensuring continued appearances on talking head shows. Give us this day, our daily bread....

My fast glance at this article suggests that this is his way of RATIONALIZING his Kerry vote. To suggest that Bush is a Kennedy is like saying a tricycle is a Maserati, because both have at least three wheels. PLEASE! He needs to cut back on his steroid abuse.

What else can he do, though? Prostitution, the complete rejection of his inner self, pays the bills. At this stage in his life, he has no other road. Actual WORK is out of the question!!! He has a lifestyle to maintain, after all.

Ignore him. He has "jumped the shark" to use an annoying phrase that has jumped the shark.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

16. Enjoy your brief stay here! eom

[LynnTheDem]

17. "dems are so blinded by irrational hatred"

No. I hate bush because he's caused the deaths of 14 of my FRIENDS, almost my husband, 1260 other troops, and 100,000+ Iraqis with his LIES.

There is NO OTHER EMOTION any sane rational logical compassionate human being could have towards bush other than HATRED.

[Kinkistyle]

19. LOL

Been listening to Republican propaganda much? Bush wants to push the Iraqi's to take over? Bush has strained our volunteer army to its very limits. Kerry wants to commit more international troops to Iraq in order to put it under control.

Just how is Bush going to calm Iraq down enough for elections by withdrawing troops? THINK MAN THINK.

[humanbeing]

20. uhhhhh..

...yeah! Vote for the guy that sent a bunch of soldiers to die for a pack of lies! GOOD IDEA, IDIOT. Endorse the guy that got us in the mess in the first place!

Oh, sorry, it's so irrational of me to hate a warmonger and coward, thank you for straightening me out on what my interests are.

[acmavm]

12. John Fitzgerald Kennedy and George Walker bush* have NOTHING

and I mean NOTHING in common.

It's delusional to even think that they might.

[kaitykaity]

13. Bareback Andy is a late comer to the party.

Treat his conversion to Kerry as the aberration that it
is. This column seems to undermine that support by
giving standing to Bush re: Kennedy he does not deserve.

:puke:

[DemBones DemBones]

14. That "whole new entitlement" added to Medicare would be the joke of a

prescription drug program. . . Meanwhile, the Bush*istas have raised Medicare premiums by 17%, effective in January, while Social Security recipients got only a 2.6% cost of living increase. Some people will have great difficulty paying their increased Medicare premiums. Too bad, no medical care for them!

Bah! Republicans!

[VOX]

18. JFK and * do not even belong in the same sentence...

JFK was a leader, had the respect of all non-Communist nations on the globe, was a leader in civil rights legislation, and steered the world away from nuclear war when it really could have happened.

* couldn't even carry JFK's jock strap.

[liberal N proud]

21. I sorry, but there are no comparisons to * and Kennedy

What a fucking joke of an excuse for journalism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. That's Ridiculous

If JFK and RFK were alive today they would be in the center of Democratic politics...


It's hard to pigeonhole JFK and RFK because of their larger than life personnaes...

[auburngrad82]

23. Actually, larrybaker brings up a point I've been thinking about

I've been reading a lot of American history books lately and it does seem that some time in the recent past the progressive party (republicans like Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln, the republican party's attempt to integrate the federal government after the Civil War, etc) turned into modern Democrats and the conservative democratic party (witness Woodrow Wilson re-segregating the federal government) turned into the modern republican party. It may have happened when the civil rights acts was passed in 1964. That's certainly when the Democratic party started losing the south. But how do you explain Franklin Roosevelt? Democrats are responsible for many of the great social acts in our history (social security, civil rights, etc) but it wasn't always the socially responsible party that it is today.

Just a little historical perspective...