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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:20 PM
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What ONE candidate should this group of Democrats vote for?
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 10:25 PM by DuctapeFatwa
Tony's fiancee was killed in the World Trade Center. He has never bought the official explanation, and if it WERE true, everything the politicians have done since then seems like the opposite of what they ought to be doing. He wants some answers, and he wants to find out who knew what when. He has had it with being called a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist whenever he lines up the facts. He's a Democrat, but even if he were a Republican, he would feel the same way.

Percival considers himself a Democrat, but he's having trouble picking a candidate. He's concerned about Iraq turning into another VietNam. He thought Bush was going in to finish what his daddy started, but here it is months later, and the US still hasn't succeeded in imposing its will. His main issue is getting somebody in the White House who can bring the Islamists to heel.

Asman is a Democrat. Her sister's husband was arrested shortly after 9-11. For almost a year, no one would tell her why. Finally, they told her that they couldn't find that he had any links to "terrorism" but they wouldn't let him go or tell her where he was. Asman's little nephew is growing up without a father. Her sister has run out of appeals of her own deportation hearing. She hasn't lived in Pakistan since she was four, and her daughter speaks almost no Urdu and not much Sindhi. When she is deported, the kids' passports will be taken. They won't be able to come back. They won't be citizens anymore. Asman doesn't know what her sister will will do in Pakistan. Her family there is not too crazy about the lifestyle choices she made, choosing her own husband, living together before they got married, it's a long list. It's hard to make ends meet with Taha gone. Both Asman and her sister lost their jobs after 9-11, and both had to take the older kids out of school, people were so upset..

Earlene is retired, and her main concern is high medical costs. She is confused by the new Medicare prescription drug program, but she has figured out it isn't going to save her any money. She thinks it might end up costing her more, since as they are now, her prescriptions put her right in the middle of the donut hole. She has always voted Democrat, and looked at the websites of all the candidates, and can't tell if any of them can actually promise her that she will be able to afford her medicine.

Alvaro just became a citizen, but most of his family here doesn't have papers. This will be his first election. Alvaro doesn't think much of Bush, or Republicans in general, so he's been looking over the platforms of the various candidates, but he hasn't really seen anything that impresses him. Most of them look like the same stuff with a fresh coat of paint and a new name.

Annabeth just got kicked out of her apartment. The rent kept going up, but her hourly wage didn't. She was already working two and a half jobs. Now she lives on the street, with her two small children. The other day somebody came around with some sandwiches, talking about some program to let homeless people vote. They had literature about all of the candidates. Annabeth looked at it, but didn't really see anything that had anything to do with her. Before her husband left her, they'd always voted Democrat, but she doesn't really see that much of a difference, or believe that it makes any difference whether she votes or not.

Wilbur has voted Democratic since Carter, but he's not sure if he can count on any of the current crop of candidates to crack down on illegal aliens. He doesn't buy this economy depends on it, Americans won't do it crap. These people are breaking the law, and he doesn't believe that the economy depends on criminals. He bets Americans would do those jobs in a minute if there weren't 5 or 6 illegal aliens running to get them first.

Jennifer is a born-again Christian. A life-long Democrat, she didn't change her party affiliation when she was saved, like a lot of her friends did. She likes to tell people that she's a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, but she draws the line at some of the trends she's seeing, like the gay agenda, and the anti-Christian sentiment. When her son came home from school with a Koran he had to read to do a report on Islam, that's when she started homeschooling. When Bush tied loan guarantees to Israel to the Security fence, that killed the last chance any Republican had of getting her vote. Every month, Jennifer sends a little money to a Christian group to help the settlers. Frankly, she isn't sure she can count on any of the candidates to support Israel. Only God knows what is in their hearts, but Jennifer will stick with what her Bible says.

Elaine is a Democrat, but she is just about to renounce her citizenship. In her view, the US has become a pariah state. She is saving up her money, hoping to be able to get the hell out. She wants the US to get the hell out of Iraq, out of Afghanistan, everywhere. She is sick of her tax dollars going to pay for the slow genocide of the Palestinian people. She's a nurse, and hopes to get a job with an NGO, based in - she's not sure, but not here. America is not a country anymore, it's an oil and weapons Wal-Mart.

Terrence is slowly slipping out of the middle class. He blames the Republicans, but he's not sure he can trust any of the Democratic candidates to win the war on the economy AND the war on terror. He shakes his head every time he drives through the Arab part of town. The Republicans are not cracking down on the Muslims like they ought to, and they're sending all the jobs to India, where half the people are Muslims.

Justin is mad as hell. He voted for Gore, even volunteered for him, and doesn't consider Bush a legitimately elected President. He still thinks of himself as a Democrat, but he is pretty disillusioned with the way they all just bent over and took it. Yesterday his boss told him his job is being outsourced to India. Justin isn't sure which makes him angrier, the fact that he will be out of a job, or that some poor mouse-serf in India will be working for about 20% of what he should be getting.

Alicia is concerned about what America is doing to the rest of the world, but she is even more worried about what is being done to the planet. Her kids are just finishing school, and one is engaged, so naturally Alicia has started to think about grandchildren. What kind of world will they raise THEIR kids in? Will everybody have to wear masks, like Mexico City? How many people will die from all the mudslides from deforestation? And the fires. Alicia is no Republican, but she hasn't been impressed with any of the leading Democrats either.

Keisha lives in the projects with her mother and two small children. She is lucky to have her mama to watch the kids while she works. She is lucky to have a project apartment, although she might lose it because her cousin got caught with a joint when he left the apartment the other night. They have this zero tolerance thing, and he KNEW that. Keisha doesn't make enough money to get an apartment if they get kicked out. Her oldest baby's daddy is dead. A policeman shot him, said he thought Calvin had a gun. It wasn't a gun. It was her baby's bottle. The father of her youngest is in jail. He tagged a wall, there was no money for a lawyer, public defender, it's a story you hear a lot in Keisha's neighborhood. Both the kids have asthma. Keisha has taken a second job to pay for their medicine, and make up the difference in Medicaid and the bills for her mama's diabetes, but everything keeps going up every month. She knows the election's coming, some dressed up people were in the projects the other day, not the dangerous one where Alicia lives, but the new one. Her cousin lives there. She gave Alicia one of the brochures. It's a good thing too, because the baby spit up and Keisha didn't have any Kleenex....

Disclaimer: I do not support any of the candidates
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:30 PM
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:38 PM
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2. WTF?
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:44 PM
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3. None of the candidates can make everybody happy.
All that is clear is that following the direction Bush has been leading us can only make things worse.

This isn't a hypothetical argument but plain, sordid reality.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:51 PM
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5. OK Which of those voters should the Democrats dump?

For which of those voters will nothing change if your candidate wins?
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:49 PM
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4. Well we certainly don't want Terrence's vote
Cracking down on the Muslims? Come on. He should vote for LaRouche or somebody.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:53 PM
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6. sordid reality. That's mainstream. You're throwing away millions of votes

there. Let's assume your candidate gets the nomination, whoever he is.

Can he afford to throw all those votes to bush?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:04 PM
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7. Yes he can
as long as he doesn't attack them or pander to them.

Jennifer has got to go as well.

Somebody's gonna get alienated. It's their turn.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:11 PM
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8. It's extremely unlikely that this group would vote for one candidate
Jennifer will probably end up voting for Bush, and Tony will probably vote Green (if he votes at all). It's unlikely that Keisha even follows politics; she has more important things on her mind right now.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:16 PM
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9. saturday night kick
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:51 PM
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10. Whew!
What a dose of reality here.

Today, I have been studying about FDR. If my mother were still alive, she would be so ashamed of me for not knowing more about history than I do. She probably wouldn't have to study to know all the things I have learned today.

Anyway, look at this passage in a biography I read:
"Excessive consumer credit meant countless citizens were financially overextended. Additionally, while industrial mechanization and labor produtivity had improved dramatically since the turn of the century, wages had not. Many farmers were feeling the pinch of new foreign competition that, along with overproduction enabled by new technologies, had sent their crop prices falling. A severely unequal distribution of American wealth had created a timy minority with inccredible riches: five percent of the populace held nearly a third of the money and property, leaving a vast underclass. This situation left too few consumers able to purchase an excessive pool of goods. Half the population was at or below the poverty line, unable to buy enough to keep American businesses profitable."

This passage is under the heading: Governor Roosevelt and the Great Depression.

When I read, do you know what I felt? Shock, that's what. How closely does that parallel today's economic times? I looked for more info. I found that today, the top five percent of Americans now own 59 percent of the wealth. The nation's poverty rate for 2002 was listed as 12.1 percent. Everywhere I look, I can see the problems described above.

I learned that FDR took office during some very troubling times. I read that the quality he had that made him successful was his genuine concern for the ordinary American.

Some may call me idealistic. If so, that's fine. But, I believe that there is a candidate today who had that same quality. He understands and cares about the plight of ordinary Americans. He understands that we are a diverse group with a myriad of different needs. He will work hard to meet those needs and make the life of every American better.

That candidate is Wesley Clark.
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plurality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:31 PM
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11. very good
Sorry I can't give much more of a response right now, but I will give it a kick because everyone should read this.

Of course who these people vote? No one, if voting could change anything it would be illegal. And this while I have a sig exhorting people to vote for Kucinich. A contradiction, no, while I think he is the only candidate that has something to offer most of the people you write of, it's true he has no shot. People listen to what he has to say as much as they listen to what Jesus had to say, which is not at all.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:09 PM
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12. kick for those who are learning about politics today
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:14 PM
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13. Electability
Clark or Edwards I say.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:40 PM
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16. Why? How would any of these people benefit from Clark or Edwards?

if you don't mind, could you specifically tell me what you think Clark or Edwards would have to offer each of them?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:18 PM
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14. The "Jennifer" character is way off
Israel is her main concern? Homeschooling because of reading the Koran in school? Whichever focus group came up with that one has no clue what Christian Democrats are all about.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:39 PM
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15. Jennifer is 100% real. They all are. There are many Christian Democrats

who would disagree with her on many issues, but there are also many who share her concerns.

I thought I was asking people to read more than most prefer to as it is, obviously I could have added a lot more people and shades and creeds and sneezes.

But I can attest that Jennifer is real as real can be.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:54 PM
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17. Which candidate would be worse than Bush for any of these people?
Everyone has their pet issues. The reality of living in a world with other people is you have to compromise. It's not about getting everything you want. Sometimes, you have to be willing to stand for improvement in many secondary issues, and no degradation of your primary issue.

I see government and politics as an evolutionary process now. We have to supply some pressure to the system with our voting habits, to slowly change it. Keep working it that way, and eventually we may see forward progress on all the issues we care about.

I hope a large part the roughly 50% of voters who didn't vote in the 2000 election will realize that voting *does* make a difference -- that being aware of your government, and who's running it can have an impact in your life.

Thanks for a great thread here!
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 06:31 PM
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18. Thanks! I think you just contradicted yourself, though

You are correct that politics is not about issues.

While there may be supporters of some candidates who got an unexpected object lesson in that reality today, that reality is, after poverty, the main reason that half of those eligible register, and half those registered vote.

On second thought, maybe you didn't contradict yourself.

Whether you vote or not DOES make a difference, just not necessarily one that will have any effect on YOUR life.

Assuming that votes are counted, it does have the potential to make a difference to the candidate, and those of his supporters who may get jobs.
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