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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:23 AM
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When did you get angry about this admin?
I didn't like Shrubbie at all but thought Cheney might add some clarity. Boy, was I wrong!
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:24 AM
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1. November 3, 2000
and it got worse from there.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:04 AM
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53. Ditto, that's an easy one.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:08 AM
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55. November 7, 2000
Election night

But to be honest, I was more pissed at the dem's for not fighting harder....

I went on this wierd ass jag when I couldn't sleep and all I could do was watch the endless dribble that was cable TV back then, still is...

And then when FLA was playing out and people like Joey L. were talking about peace and calm, I knew the party I worked so hard, really gave my life to, day and night for 25 years was going down without so much as a fight but with a whimper...

It was then that I realized these thugs and goons would never give the Dem's an inch. Why should they. Would you give an inch to a mess of supplicants??????

All that came back to me when I watched the beginning of 9/11 the other day.........

If we loose this one, god forbid I don't know what I would do........
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:27 AM
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62. Same here
:grr:
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:31 AM
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63. here is where I hang my post...didn't like how this all went down
and didn't vote for him and neither did the majority of this country...therefore..never really liked him...EVER
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:32 PM
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123. Amen!
n/t
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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:24 AM
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2. When Florida happened
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:37 AM
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71. me too!
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Free2BMe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:17 PM
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114. me too...
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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:24 AM
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3. Election night 2000, sealed when the Supreme Court appointed him
I so hate them.

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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:02 AM
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82. that was for me ....
the turning point to stop being ignorant..
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:26 AM
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4. Iraq
Very angry after the Supreme Court decision.

Gave him a pass after 9/11 and Afghanistan.

When he turned to Iraq, that was it.
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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5. right around the time he stole the election in 2000
and it only went downhill from there
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Demfromct Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:32 AM
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23. IRAQ and the mid-term elections
This war in Iraq bothered me to no end.

One point: Everyone talks about the intelligence and Bush argues Kerry had the same inteligence as him and they both agreed force was neccesary in I.raq

What is not told, is that if any other president was governing, then Iraq would have never entrred the conversation. Bush essentially searched and searched for a reaosn to invade Iraq. He is still serching for those reasons.

I also dind't like Bush in 2002 when he ran on patriotism to win the mid term elections. Most of all, I haven't gotten a raise since Bush was inaugurated.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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6. the first time was when he got "elected"
i really started to hate him when i found out they had reports on osama's plan before 9/11. and that he's been warned repeatedly but blew it off because he thought anything that had been a concern during the clinton adminisrtation as beneath his notice. lots of other things too but those were the biggies for me.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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7. From the git-go, but gave space after 9/11
that space whithered rapidly until, by December of 2001 I was PISSED OFF and ready to do whatever it takes to eradicate the virus.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:37 AM
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69. Ditto here
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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8. The war woke me up really really quickly.
I could see the writing on the wall. I also was given an article about the possible reason for the war was that Saddam was beginning/speculating on changing to the Euro as well as many other OPEC countries and that it would kill the value of our dollar. I just thought there had to be a better way than to do this and I wondered why in the h*ll we were doing this while we were trying to get OBL. Red flags just went up about 2 months before the war and I haven't let up since. Since then I've been obsessed with getting this man out of office.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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9. Gulf War I
Hated the whole clan ever since about January 1991.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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10. Angry when the SC appointed him, but then it lapsed
into a kind of antipathy. That, "This guy is boring as hell." kinda thing.

Then came 9/11 and the whole invasion of Iraq debacle. And that's when the loathing began.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:27 AM
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11. When he basked gloriously in the horror of 9/11
.
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Nag Champa Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:40 AM
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36. Could not have said it better...
That's what did it for me too. Thats when I started to think he was a horrible man...right about the time he "hit the trifecta".

When he laid down, "you're either with us or with the terrorists"...that's when I realized what a shallow-thinking fool he was.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:28 AM
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12. The first time I heard Shrub open...
... his mouth in the campaign. Because of that, and that he was a Bush, I knew we were in trouble if he got elected. My perceptions of him and his crew went downhill from there on.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:28 AM
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13. When they smeared McCain during the primaries
I'm not real happy with McCain right now but what they did to him in 2000 was atrocious. I remember thinking I hoped to god these underhanded creeps wouldn't win. And they didn't, they stole it.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:29 AM
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16. Same thing
The McCain smear.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:28 AM
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14. When he gave the UN the finger and went to Iraq anyways n/t
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:28 AM
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15. I was pissed when all the
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 01:32 AM by rozf
talking hair-dos kept saying 'he doesn't have a mandate, he'll HAVE 2 B cautious'. I was thinking how damn stoooopid can U B, he just stole the presidency!

Then he nominated asscrack 4 AG. I thought my head would Xplode when he was confirmed.

I have been mad a long, long, long, llllooonnngggg time!
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:29 AM
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17. when they attacked John McCain's patriotism in the primaries
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:30 AM
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18. around March 2003, after hearing General Clark speak nt
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:37 AM
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32. Wait!
You can't say Wes showed you the light and then say "nt"!

What's the story?
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:44 AM
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75. in a nutshell...
was a conservative republican and only dem i've ever voted for was Evan Bayh (doesn't really count, anyway) and felt very anxious about this war, hubby was a marine until 2 months before his unit was sent to Iraq. I prayed, and prayed, and prayed...but it all still felt so wrong. I heard lots of complaints from dem's, but to be honest, couldn't tell if all of it was just politically motivated, sorry wasn't compelled by Dean or Dashle. But then, I heard Wes Clark speak and I cried. Then, did some research on him, and read everything of his, and he had been warning of this since 9/11. So, I joined the draft clark movement when there was only a handful of people...lots of stuff in the middle.....now, my whole conservative family will be voting dem, and I'm voting a straight dem ticket and vowed to never vote for a republican again until the party admits what a radical admin this has been.:)

p.s. oh, and met Wes Clark twice, and spoke with him on the phone once! he truly is the real deal! Dem's owe him much gratitude for all he has done. :)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:07 AM
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92. Wes has been great in reaching out to good citizens
of all persuasions. I think he got a lot of conservatives to take a closer look at what was being done in their name.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:30 AM
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19. When poppy bushCartel started lying about Iraq in 1990
When the bush clan started causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And they're still at it.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:31 AM
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20. When those bastards stole the presidency from Al Gore!
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:31 AM
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21. When our troops were stomping on the Iraqi border.
Bush was saying that Saddam had to comply with the UN or be attacked, and I knew that there was absolutely nothing in this world that would prevent the invasion. Nothing.

Although I wasn't happy about the hijacking of the election in 2000, I was willing to let * vacation on my dime for 4 years. He got dangerous when he stopped being lazy.
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Hog lover Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:12 PM
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109. He never stopped being lazy
He's lazy all right, but he has plenty of henchmen to carry out his God-ordained crusades.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:32 AM
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22. When, during the 2000 debates...
Gore explained his well wrought, well thought out dollar-for-dollar spending plan and Bush*, realizing that most Americans were as dumbfounded as he was, said, "That's fuzzy math".

Right at that moment I saw a man (brilliantly) grab hold of ignorance and use it in his favor.

From that moment on, this Republican knew Gore was the better, more thoughtful of the two candidates.

And I haven't been proven wrong yet.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:36 AM
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30. Dr., Dr., gimme the news!
I think the topic was Cheney.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:39 AM
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33. LOL! "I gotta bad case of lovin' you?"
Seems everyone on this thread equates this admin with Bush*.
But you're right - I had hoped Cheney was more on the level, but then I realized he was part of the 'bigger problem'.

Then I found out about the PNAC
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:40 AM
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38. Oh yeah... and I don't just 'play' doctor....
;)
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pres2032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:34 AM
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24. right from the beginning
refused to watch his inaguration, despite pleas from my parents. I did give it pause immediately after 9-11, but became really pissed when he went back to the tax cuts a mere three months after 9-11. That's when he KILLED any chance of true, lasting unity in this country.
It became personal whe the Education secratary called teachers terrorists when my mom is a teacher. That pissed me off beyond belief and it was GAME ON, from then on!!! :mad:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:34 AM
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25. during his previous campaign
when he smirked and said he "was a uniter, not a divider". I have hardly been able to look at him since, didn't notice I turned my gaze away from the tv when he was on until a family member said they did the same. ("soldiers dieing" smirk "evil ones" smirk "compassionate conservative" smirk) SLAP
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:35 AM
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26. Summer, 2003
I was one of the schmucks who believed the Iraq war lies beforehand. When I discovered that I had been lied to on many fronts, I was not exactly happy.
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Quadrajet Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:35 AM
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27. The resolution for the POWER to go to war did it for me.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 01:35 AM by Quadrajet
I've always been left leaning, voted for Clinton in '92 & '96 then Gore in 2000. I thought the 2000 election was a joke and started me on my dislike for *, but when he asked for "the ability to go to war", I lost it.

I knew damn well he wouldn't let the weapons inspectors do their work.
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:35 AM
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28. Yeah - Nov 3rd 2000 (nt)
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:36 AM
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29. Sept 11
I made excuses for him prior to that, but his craven ineptitude on that day was just jarring.

Maybe that's not correct. It was not the day I got angry at him. But it was the day I began to fear him.
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kokomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:36 AM
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31. When Karl Rove spead nasty rumors about Ann Richards in 1994
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:41 AM
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39. Ditto!!!.................n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:39 AM
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34. The very moment he began to argue that there should be

no recount. What the hell kind of undemocratic, unAmerican crap was he trying to pull? And the SUPREME Court of the whole United States backed him up?

:puke:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:39 AM
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35. I couldn't stand bush* during his first campaign, the rest of the clowns
just added insult to injury.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:40 AM
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37. '99, before he was actually running, when NPR ran a piece -
- saying that republiCONs where thinking what a great candidate he'd make and how much MONEY he was bringing in.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:41 AM
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40. The night of November 2, 2000 I had a sick feeling that
they were going to steal it. The realization of Jeb, Katherine Harris--all things Florida.

When he brought in Ashcroft, it was just confirmation of the administration of hatred.

9/11 and the war--too big of a coincidence for me. No way we get another B in office and just happen to go to war.



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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:42 AM
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41. When Bush Insisted on Amending the Constitution...
for political gain which was around the same time I saw F9/11.

It was both of those things for me.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:45 AM
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42. "Mission Accomplished:" May 1, 2003
That was when it really struck me. Soon after that I finally became interested in politics, the Democratic party, and getting this moron out of office.

I voted rather unenthusiastically in 2000 for Gore, which was the first time I could vote. At the time I kind of just shrugged when the Supreme Court installed Dumbya as president-elect, but looking back I should have been much more enraged about the whole ordeal. I figured that Bush would be such a lousy leader that not much would get accomplished during his term. Well, I was right about the lousy leader part, but I was completely wrong in that he wouldn't get much done. I can't believe how far he has been able to move the country in the wrong direction in just four years. It's quite scary to think about what four more years of unregulated Bush* reign could do to the country.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:47 AM
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43. Oddly, since 2000, I could not handle
looking at another baby Shrub aka Alfred E. Newman, even though his dad did the right thing as far as Kuwait. Then the asswipe starts a damn war?? And so much happened that threatened my rights as an American! I am SO excited to witness Kerry win! :bounce:
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cats4dems Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:48 AM
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44. His first week in office
He stopped insurance coverage for birth control for federal employees. I knew at that point he would do anything to keep the fundamentalists happy.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:25 AM
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60. Hi cats4dems!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:49 AM
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45. June 1999
When * told announced he was going to run for president.

I didn't like his father's administration, and I didn't think I would like his any better. I took exception to every member of his team (except Colin Powell). His policies all sucked. His campaign tore down the honorable John McCain. And * had delusions of godhood.

I was angry from the get-go.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:49 AM
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46. I have to admit that I was drunk and high for most all of 2000
I did stumble out long enough to vote for Gore, but barely had any idea of what went on afterward.

A month after 9-11, I had my son, and lived in a micro world of "me fest," until the invasion of Iraq started to happen.

I followed the lead-up to the war, and on the day that we unleashed "Shock and Awe," I cried. I started learning then, got the shit straight in my head -- had a lot of great friends who got into it with me, traded info. I learned about the 2000 fiasco, long after the fact -- read the "conspiracy" theories, reached back into my brain for what I had learned with my non-Western politics degree, and since probably that April of 2003 -- I've hated the Bush administration.

I'd always loathed the Religious Right -- so I started studying the GOP, and realized how exactly fucked up it is, and that it is different from anything that I'd ever seen in my lifetime -- and I was an anti-GOP person at nine years old.

What made me the most angry -- when did I get MAD?? It was the flightsuit, I think -- and the posturing after the war, and the desperate, desperate attempt to keep their rationale afloat, though it wasn't logically sound and didn't fool a lot of people, for one minute. I learned about the neocons, and their shady dealings. Watched open government disappear. Saw the rise of the cultural supremacism of the right -- the wedge issues they've used to divide us.

I think the thing that has bothered me the most is the anti-intellectualism and rejection of science, and the willingness to dislodge empiricism, twist epistemology, re-write history and reject Enlightenment principles that have shaped my own world, since I was a child. I'm not simply a modernist, and I don't believe in absolute objectivity or anything, but it seems like the things that we learned, as humans, in the years after the Dark Ages, right up to the Civil rights movment of the 1960s are some of the best things that we've done -- and learned -- our human kind -- or at least Western Civ. After the bloodiest century, I was privileged to be born in 1974. Post-Vietnam, late cold war child, but still born and raised in a fairly safe environment. Then, during my formative years of post high school disillusionment, I grew up in the Identity politics environment of the 1990s. I truly believed that we were pluralistic -- not that the country was perfect, by any means. I still recognized economic and racial and oppression, confining gender roles, etc.

But I thought we were still learning.

Until George Bush changed all of that.

That's probably what makes me the angriest. That civil discourse is gone. That I can't talk to Republicans, without them immediately reverting to the talking points that their hate radio masters have driven into their heads. That the spirit of cooperation is not alive. That everybody fucking hates each other, because the GOP, masterminding a massive, intricate 30-year plan, needed and wanted us to be split, so they could consolidate their power, and drive us farther into the radical right than I'd ever believed that I would see in my lifetime.

The Bush administration and their surrogates have raised logical fallacy, defensiveness, propaganda and disinformation to a goddamn art form. And I'm tired of it. I'm ready for the kind of talking that adults do, again. The kind of discourse that takes critical thinking, rejects sweeping myths and superstitions, and takes into account a moral compass that exists outside the borders of this country. Something that makes us all humans, in this, together, again.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:51 AM
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47. I didn't develop the really intense rage and hate
until the start of the Iraq invasion.

Don't get me wrong, I always detested him, but I was able to largely ignore it, and just go about my life. I was fairly apolitical at that point.

The Iraq invasion just triggered something in me. That was also around the time I started to lurk at DU, and began to learn about all kinds of things that I had not been previously aware of, such as PNAC, and the neocon ideology.

It had a pretty profound effect on me by triggering a major episode of depression, and kind of derailing my life. I'm slowly trying to get back on track and pick up the peices right now.
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Blue Topaz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:55 AM
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48. I was angry the moment I heard the Supremes gave it to Shrub
I was in my car waiting to pick up my son, listening to NPR. Just like that, it was all over. I remember it like it was yesterday. Still, I had no idea just how much damage that asshole and his cronies would do. They have messed up this country, and in fact, the world, so badly.

Another point that stands out for me is when Asscroft went after Oregon's assisted suicide law. We fought him off and then he tried to come after medical marijuana. Ever heard of state's rights, pal?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:26 AM
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61. Hi Blue Topaz!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:56 AM
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49. My waking up point was
When the war rationale went from "WMD" to "Liberate Iraq" because it played better with the American people.

Like Kerry, I'd put the president on notice: You better find WMD's fella, or you lose support from me. As Clark said, he didn't have a blank check dated 9/11.

That coupled with hearing about Guantanamo's detainees sent me over the edge. I hated it when the military insists that they couldn't possibly have made a mistake with ANY of the prisoners they had there. Oh sure, the military is ALWAYS noted for their efficiency. No need for checks and balances here.

It's only gotten worse from there.

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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:58 AM
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50. i never liked them
but the patriot act started it, not to mention the Sec of Education calling the NEA terrorists (my mom is a teacher, and im going to be one).

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:00 AM
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51. Back when poppy was acting like the king
cheney, rummie and the lot were cheap conment then and they got nothing but worse.
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:03 AM
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52. When he stuck a knife in McCain in the NC primary
That was the most despicable thing I'd seen in politics to that point, but wasn't it a perfect foreshadowing of everything that was to come. It was all about lying, cheating, stealing and doing it all wrapped in the flag and under the direct orders of our Lord and Saviour himself.

It's been a disgusting spectacle, appealing to the Freeper mentality and the ignorance of the masses. He never once asked anybody to think about anything -- you either had to be afraid, be patriotic or just have faith.

I'll be very glad to see it end.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:06 AM
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54. Lets see...
I'm a Texan so it's been since he was voted in Governor over Ann Richards.
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:12 AM
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56. I started hating Bush during the 1996 RNC - he "hosted" and was pimping
in an obvious way as the one annointed by the powers that be. One glance at his resume and you could see this guy was going to be a disaster.

During the 2000 campaign he sounded like a guy just itching for a war to prove himself a tough guy. Stealing the 2000 election just sealed it - he was going to be worse than even my worse fears during the campaign. Obscene tax cuts, California blackouts, Kyoto rejection - but when I actually got fed up with the administration was after 9/11. It was just such a fuck-up - where was our air defense, why was Bush running around on AF1 like a scared rabbit? - then the lying, my god the constant and unabashed lying these guys do.

The (un-)Patriot Act, passed with such glee, our off-shore concentration camps and outsourced foreign policy, the torture and rejection of rules of the Geneva Convention (not to mention any other rules that might inhibit them), 100,000 Iraqi dead for no reason, 1100 American dead and both numbers going up without an end in sight. Back door drafts, Haliburton, oil prices and profits.

And the man wants another term. No mo' years.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:16 AM
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57. The 2000 (s)election started it, but
my disgust turned to anger when, even knowing * was a twit, was so disappointed at his pathetic speech right after 9/11.

I wanted "we have nothing to fear but fear itself ...... "

or

"December 7th, a day that shall live in infamy ........."

Instead, he gave us "uh .... smoke 'em out. Bad. AF One was a target .... yadda, uh, ummmm, yadda, yadda ......"

From then on, I hated this guy.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:16 AM
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58. The day he said "with us or with the terrorists"...
That's when I knew we were in deep, deep trouble. Everything after that has been a nightmare. I never liked Bush, but I figured we'd survive him without being too damaged. I was wrong.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:16 AM
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59. Summer of 1994 when he started lying about Ann Richards

I still remember Ann Richards's line: "George Dubya Bush just woke up one morning, looked himself in the mirror and said, 'Damn, I am so pretty... I ought to run for governor.'" No one told the truth better than Ann. Only it turned out that certain people ran Bush for governor for far more sinister reasons than good looks (and yes, he actually was conventionally handsome when he ran in '94. The years, or rather the miles, have not been kind).
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Johnny 99 Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:32 AM
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64. I started hating Bush around the SC primary in 2000
No shit, really.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:33 AM
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65. June 2000...
...or so, it was WAY before November 2000.

The MINUTE I saw that lecherous, moronic cretin inching toward Capitol Hill, I KNEW we were in BIG TROUBLE...and it got worse from there. They did EVERYTHING I predicted they'd do - and worse.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:33 AM
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66. During the 2000 debates
Gore was walking all over the idiot, yet every last mediawhore claimed Junior was the winner. It was already evident at the time that the GOP had passed on an obviously better qualified candidate (McCain) to cash in on the Bush name, but to see the media prop up this moron was shocking.

Of course the media has sunk so low since then that it's impossible for them to surprise me anymore.
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texas1928 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:35 AM
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67. During the first governors race he ran for here in Texas.
I have not been able to stomach him ever since. Well Actually before then as well. Like when he traded Sammy Sosa to the Cubs. WHAT A MORAN!!!!
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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:35 AM
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68. I was angry with this administration when Bush was my governor
That's how far back it goes!
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:37 AM
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70. The minute the media whores took away their projection for Gore and
changed it to *.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:38 AM
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72. during Hill v Thomas.....
Republicans...same thing.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:39 AM
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73. When I heard Ashcroft had been approved as A.G.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:41 AM
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74. I saw Chimpy swaggering this way in 1999. No one would listen.
You get what you pay for. Sometimes.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:54 AM
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79. Yep! I saw it too!
He conducted himself like the arrogant nasty so and so that he is today...but everyone told me I was nuts!
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:20 AM
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97. It was just like Night Of The Living Dead....
...with animated roadkill instead of zombies.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:52 AM
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76. As soon as I heard a "Bush" was in the GOP primary
I didn't know there was a George W Bush until he declared he was running...I was in a panic from that moment on and campaigned heavily against his even being nominated as the GOP candidate for 2000.

McCain I didn't care for, or agree with on most issues, but I didn't see him as a dishonorable crook.

If McCain had been elected I would have gone on about my business and chaulked it up to business as usual in a two party system (you win some you lose some)

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:52 AM
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77. being in texas, prior to election
pissed off with the lies as he was reported christian and honest, really pissed with mccain and then further in the theft.

have been pissed for a long time
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:53 AM
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78. The minute the SCOTUS called it for him
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Richardson08 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:54 AM
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80. 1988 when he was pimping with Lee Atwater against the Duke
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:58 AM
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81. As soon as I knew he exsisted !
I knew the son of the elder bush would be as bad as he was .I never imagined just how bad, he actually makes his Dad look like a moderate !
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:02 AM
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83. I January when I had a vision of being attacked because his name is Bush!
In January I knew we were going to have a catastrophic attack on the US and I knew that the cause of it would be revenge against a man named Bush. I also know that he can destroy the world if we don't act now - this is a very scary situation...
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:02 AM
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84. The administration? Innauguraition day.
Bushco? The first time I heard his voice and the tricks he was pulling with McCain. Since "Administration" only comes after inauguration, I must say inauguration day. My that was a dark, mean day. I drank so much alcohol that I passed out mid-afternoon, and awoke around 6:30 PM hung over. I had never before passed out that way.
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:03 AM
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85. 1998 When I moved to Texass. Now I amback in FL.
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treehuggnlibrul Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:03 AM
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86. Anger was sparked Nov. 3, 200, fueled by...
Iraq...
and blwon into an all-out bonfire by everything that he's done (not done) in his administration.

And you know what's going to sound dumb?

But when the Dixie Chicks stood up and said what they believed, I was infuriated that he could not be American enough to say... "They are Americans, and they are allowed to speak their opinions and beliefs." I was angry that people lambasted them for their beliefs.

That moment is like a touchstone for me -- it's when I realized that this was not just a conservative I couldn't agree with and a president I did not elect. That's when I realized he was an extremist I couldn't ignore.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:04 AM
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87. In January when I had a vision of being attacked because his name is Bush!
In January I knew we were going to have a catastrophic attack on the US and I knew that the cause of it would be revenge against a man named Bush. I also know that he can destroy the world if we don't act now - this is a very scary situation...
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:05 AM
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88. Another Texan with an old grudge.....
We've had some doozies as governors (Preston Smith? Bill Clements?) but Shrub was dumber than most yet--somehow--managed to do a lot of damage.

And he's kept on doing damage.


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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:05 AM
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89. Sept 11, 2001
The amount of "patriotism" that occured and how * and company took advantage of it pissed me off to no end.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:06 AM
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90. During the Florida vote theft.
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treehuggnlibrul Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:07 AM
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91. Anger sparked Nov. 3, 2000, fueled by: (then there were the Dixie Chicks)
Fueled largely by Iraq...
and blown into an all-out bonfire by everything that he's done (not done) in his administration.

And you know what's going to sound dumb?

When the Dixie Chicks stood up and said what they believed, I was infuriated that he could not be American enough to say... "They are Americans, and they are allowed to speak their opinions and beliefs."

That moment is like a touchstone for me -- it's when I realized that this was not just a conservative I couldn't agree with and a president I did not elect. That's when I realized he was an extremist I couldn't ignore.

That's when I realized that he would not support freedom of speech. That he had placed him self on a "don't criticize me, it's unpatriotic" pedestal.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:08 AM
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93. Day one. Never wavered. Not even on Sept 11th, when he was too
frightened to address us and continued his flight of fear around the country on our dime. :grr:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:10 AM
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95. I'm with you 100% n/t
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treehuggnlibrul Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:43 AM
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102. I kept asking people at work, WTF is * doing...
In a moment of tragedy and crisis, the US was without a leader... what a chickenshit. How can people talk about how resolute he is? He was dancing around on one foot trying to find a hole to hide in.

Sorry excuse for "Leader of the Free World" --

Yeah -- that was another log on the fire, as far as I'm concerned.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:09 AM
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94. On or about July of 2000!
I knew Junior would be Poppy's second term, if he won!
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howgroovy Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:11 AM
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96. After 9/11
when New York had a billin dollar budget shortfall because our economy collapsed. Bush thumbed his nose at us and we had to tax ourselves to death to get out of this mess.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:21 AM
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98. post election 2000
I was also angry with Gore then for his concession speech. I was angry with the Dem's, the Repug's and the whole electoral college in general. You might just say I was pissed at the whole system.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:32 AM
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99. Right from the start
Before the election I thought that Bush was a whiny arrogant aristocrat who was unfit to be President. When they stole the election and then governed as if they had a popular mandate I really became worried. The rest, as they say, is history.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:32 AM
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100. When they stole the election, then post the vacation days
then a few weeks after 9-11 watching them celebrate victory even though they did nothing to stop it.

Iraq and the destroyed economy were the whipped cream to my disgust of them.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:33 AM
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101. Election night 2000
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Thegonagle Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:59 AM
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103. Florida 2000, the moment I heard on the news that * sued first.
I haven't forgotten who sued first, because I was willing to give the "compassionate conservative" moderate a fair chance before I started hating him. When he sued to stop recount--a standard procedure all over the country when the initial results are very tight--I knew right then that we were in trouble.
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hecate77 Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:00 PM
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104. When he stole Texas. I saw this crap coming a long way out.
These people are evil. They have been working towards this for a long, long time. All they needed was a theft of the Senate (which they got in 1984) and a theft of the house (which they got in 1994) and they were set to steal the country. Given the control of the house and senate and the supreme court, they planned this from the getgo. They knew they had to game Florida, so they concentrated there. They had all their cards in place, from Jeb to Harris. They were gaming that election from early on, eliminating many democratic voters, suppressing the vote in a major way. Their tactics were actually quite good, reminiscent of some folks in Brown Shirts on another continent. Florida wasn't even close for Bush. He lost by a huge margin. The only problem is they mangaged to eliminate tens of thouseands of votes against him to make it look close.

Expect them to have done the same in multiple states this time, with their dominance in terms of governors and election commisioners.
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:02 PM
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105. What? The first millisecond I saw Bush's face...
when he entered the 2000 race I hated him!! I still do, to the same degree.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:06 PM
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106. Being from Texas, the day moron was elected governor was the day I...
Started hating these idiots.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:18 PM
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115. Javaman, that's it for me, too!
I really didn't know much about him but loved Ann Richards. Went and voted for her thinking all would be hunky-dory, and was shocked when chimpy won. Ever since, I've had this abiding dislike for him, but I think you just clarified why.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:11 PM
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107. When I first heard the "Al Gore invented the internet" bullshit
I knew this administration would say and do anything to get power. And I was right.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:12 PM
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108. Sometime furing the 80's
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:13 PM
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110. I spit out my koolaid when WMD weren't found QUICK.
given all the intel that they supposedly had...

oh well, thanks for destroying my trust in government, mr. *.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:14 PM
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111. December 12, 2000<<<<<<< the Death of Democracy
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 12:15 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:15 PM
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112. When we found out they were going to court over the election.
And they eventually stole it.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:16 PM
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113. Fla, then selecting Ashcroft reallly burned my ass
Their behavior was so outrageous with Florida, that I frankly did not believe it was happening. I just wanted it to stop.
my bad. my mistake. four years of shit thereafter.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:18 PM
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116. Before the little son of a bitch stole the office.
I had heard and seen what he was before the 2000 election, and was afraid of what would and did happen.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:18 PM
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117. I got annoyed
during the 2000 campaign, angry on the night of the election and furious on Sept. 11. And after that, I just got plain scared.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:22 PM
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120. Hello, hello, hello. And welcome.
Same here. It took 9/11 before I totally awakened.

Wow, first post on the day before election? How did you survive all of this time, without the megasupport from DU...

:)
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:33 PM
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124. Thanks for the welcome!
I just found you guys two nights ago, and decided to join last night. What a joy it is to read a board like this!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:19 PM
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118. Before they wer an "administration"...
Until the time * trashed his way to the GOP candidacy, I couldn't believe they would actally select him. I had read an article about his mean, boorish nature when his dad was in office. That that party would lie, cheat, and steal to inflict another Bush on the world angered me.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:19 PM
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119. 12/12/2000 is a day that will live in infamy
I detested Booosh et al before that date, but once the Supremes ruled against democracy, I set out to change things and have never looked back, never relaxed in my hatred and never stopped reminding anyone who would listen to me what a bunch a crooks this cabal is.
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misterphelps Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:31 PM
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121. Four years ago tomorrow
Assholes from the start.

Remember the concession call? Then Bush saying, "But he already conceded... It's too late now!"

When I vote, I'll envision a big boot kicking his ass back to Texas
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:31 PM
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122. There were several steps along the way here's a few that stand out.
1. The South Carolina primary. The sheer gall of a man who used his daddy's influence to stay out of Vietnam questioning the patriotism of a genuine war hero in a totally underhanded, deceptive and sleazy manner.

2. Florida recount. 'nuff said.

3. 9-11, all the posturing in the world couldn't mask the fact that he'd been caught offguard. I said at the time that even if he didn't do it Saddam Hussein would take the hit.

4. Enron. Kenny Boy Lay is just a symptom.

5. Tora Bora. I thought the Afghan war was justified and on the whole well conducted. Then when we had the remnants of Al Queda and most likely Osama Bin Laden himself trapped, the Bush administration let them slip away.

6. Iraq Invasion wanton destruction of human life and the looting of priceless cultural treasures.

7. Halliburton no bid contracts. Corruption so great they don't even bother to hide it.

8. Mission Accomplished

9. Abu Ghraib

10. Swift Boat Veterans--see post number 1.

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:40 PM
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125. January 20, 2001 (nt)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:41 PM
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126. From the first FL lawsuit the Bush people filed
:grr:
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:43 PM
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127. I got angry the minute they began stealing the 2000 election
Or rather, the minute it became publicly known. Of course we know the effort went on long before election day, with those voter purges and the butterfly ballot crap.
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