If Bush loses, will the Republicans even consider another Bush ever again?

[coloradodem2005]

This should and would tarnish Jeb. Just being so involved with the 2000 election debacle isn't helpful to work with Jeb. After only 8 years as a country being Bush-Free, enough people wanted another one and it happened. Would it be longer this time? Jeb will most likely be tarnished because of the 2000 election. Do you think that George P. Bush would run? Would he be able to run for any office? What about Jeb Junior? What are your thoughts?

[shraby]

1. Jeb is tarnished by Jeb himself

by the way he runs Florida. People can envision how he'd run the country and it's a no-go.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Bush is over

When shrub goes down in flames, that's it for the Bush "dynasty". The Repubs are going to implode, even if he wins, so if he loses, its a certainty we'll not see a Bush again.

But while all this is going on, we need to watch our backs. On Nov 3, we need to start the notion that all the shit we're gunna hafta face and fix over the next four years is all Bush's fault. Say it often. Say it loud: Bush's fault.

A bad economy? It'll probably be around for a while ...... Bush's fault.

Iraq? Gunna be a real mess for a while .... *clearly* Bush's fault.

Qaeda attack? I'd say one is a certainty ....... Bush's fault.

A draft? Not impossible ........... Bush's fault.

Consider this a dual purpose inoculation ...... it inoculates Kerry to a degree and it inoculates the country to any more Bushes.

[Paragon]

2. A possibility of a THIRD lame duck Bush presidency?

Ooh, where do I sign up??

I posted something similar to this thread yesterday. When Bush loses, the "dynasty" falls.

[coloradodem2005]

5. I would rather not have a third Bush Presidency.

Than a THIRD lame duck Bush Presidency. After all the damage done.

[Paragon]

8. That's what I meant.

Another Bush lame duck (Dubya) casts the loser stench on the Bush family forever more.

[Mountainman]

3. After Bush loses this week, the whole Republican party will spit on the

name Bush. The repubs will retreat and try to build a whole new party.
The VRWC and the PNACers will be cast out to die in the wilderness.

[realisticphish]

4. the thing is

the whole repuke party is so closely tied to the BFEE, that i dont know if they would risk NOT running a bush...

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[coloradodem2005]

7. Do you think the American people would go for it again?

If they ran Jeb or George P.?

[realisticphish]

11. well

i think they would retain SOME base, like the really extreme fundies, but honestly, once shrub is out, a LOT of shit is going to come to light. more than enough to taint any member of bushco enough to stop them from making a serious bid for the white house.

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[bluestateguy]

6. Pea Bush

Granted, maybe not for 20 years or so, but the Bush family is guided by a belief that they have a God-given right to rule. Furthermore, there is a sizable percentage of Americans in many of those red states who would make the Bush family America's official royal family if they could.

[expatriate]

9. I sure hope not. Two were enough

I'm all for a Constitutional amendment that says that none of this particular branch of the Bush clan can ever run for any public office, ever. They are the most corrupt, hubristic, arrogant people that I have ever heard of. They make the Stewart kings look like real men of the people.

[KharmaTrain]

10. Legacy, Legacy, Legacy...

Depends on how bad Bunnypants loses. If it's decisive, then he's gonna be the Hoover of our lifetime...or worse. The media will start to finally tear down the past 4 years for the failure it was and the historians will write the final words about the economic and political "age of fear" that will rival those of McCarthy in the 50's and the Red Scare of the 20's.

I don't think we realize how far to the right this country moved and how fast over the past 4 years...there's a lot of people who haven't realized how far over things are and once they do, there's gonna be some 'splainin' to do.

The last piece of the Bunnypants legacy is Iraq...and the Bush family for that matter. The longer this quagmire drags on, the deeper the stain is on the Bush family, just like Vietnam stained Johnson. If this war ends with a retreat or military defeat, that will seal the Bush legacy...Poppy got us into the mess, Junior got us stuck in deeper...the view of two failed monarchists.

Plus, the Bush family has expended a lot of political capital to gain power and keep it. They're running out of bullets. They can't buy the people they used to, since these people have power ideas of their own.

The fun will be the infighting that's inevitable in many factions of the GOOP...not unlike what many of us saw within the Democratic party of the 70's.

Cheers!

[Eye and Monkey]

15. I think that there are prob'ly plans to make it all "Kerry's fault" -

In another thread tonite, there's been some discussion of how BAD the news will suddenly get - on all fronts. It seems reasonable to expect alot of very bad news very quickly - and to expect that there will be immediate spin blaming it all on John Kerry, Congressional Dems, and the "erosion of Amurhikan values, etc."

That point will be driven and driven, because if the perception of blame can be shifted from Smirko, there might be another Bush.

[KharmaTrain]

20. I'll Bet You Even Money On That One...

The truth is we don't really know what kind of mess sits the other side of Wednesday...win or lose. There's a lot of stuff that's been stonewalled until after the election, including a brusing budgeting process that will push the debt ceiling into the stratosphere. A Kerry win doesn't turn this country into Nirvana by any means.

I'm just hoping there's a decent Honeymoon time. Kerry will get one as the media and other power players readjust their dynamic. As I posted somehwhere else tonight, if the Democrats retake the Senate and cut the Repugnican majority in the House to single digits, it's gonna take the power and shift it in the GOOP from the DeLays to the moderates like Shayes and Chaffee...this is where we need to get things done.

Honestly, I think you'll see a bit of piling on about how "Bush blew it" and even some real bloodletting in the media as to whom to blame for this devestating loss. Surely the wingnuts and hate radio mongers are going to look for scapegoats and won't have time to play with us. Their tent has been splitting for a while, I suspect we'll get some nice payback on that front for a least a good 6 months.

[Eye and Monkey]

22. I wish I could agree, I'd love to see alot of "piling on - Bush blew it" -

But I'd have to come back to the way that these folks have consistently misrepresented reality to avoid accountability - while trying to pin their own mistakes on whoever they view as "the competition".

I'd be satisfied if this misunderestimadministration and election poisoned the Bush well. But I think that they'll either immediately or eventually (<6 months) become very aggressive and attack. They'll see it as an extention of the "pre-emption" ideology.

[meow mix]

12. do they ever learn anything what-so-ever?

i wouldnt be suprised to see a jeb ticket yet.

[Merlin]

13. They will form a gov't in exile and hound JK every minute.

Bush WILL run again against JK in '08. And he will lose again.

[LibeMatt]

14. Probably not in this generation...

...as has been pointed out, Jeb is probably too radioactive due to his various election (and other) shenanigans, while Neil and Marvin are way too shady to get elected.

Look out for the "Hispanic" Bush (George P?), though, in about 10 or 15 years. He's got telegenic looks, possible crossover appeal, and is probably a lot more articulate than his dangerous and goofy Uncle Dubya Shrub

I must admit, a Jenna-Barb ticket would be wonderful comic relief provided that sanity prevailed and they got defeated by a margin that made Goldwater's 1964 performance look like Washington's in 1792. I can just imagine the Saturday Night Live and Mad TV skits.

Of course, Turd Blossom could be so pissed at the electorate that he might try and run Shrubbie again in '08 just to have his revenge on the nation. One would hope that by then the Repugs will have found a way to ease the Bush clan out of power and influence, but their (the Bushes) tentacles may be insinuated too deeply into Repug power-and-money networks.

np: GD, So Many Roads, Disc 3 (jam out of "The Wheel)

[NAO]

16. "not this generation"...you can't mean one of the twins...NOOOOOOOOOOO

President Jenna passed out today at the UN meeting. She was in the midst of a vodka and xanax trade agreement, & etc.

[LibeMatt]

28. While veep Barb...

...had to be retrieved from a naked party. Cameras caught the in-the-raw vice president as she was whisked to her chopper...

:silly:

[Julien Sorel]

17. Barbara and Jenna look like they are warming up.

Sure, they are screwups now, but so was their dad at this age and look what became of him. Give them 20 years, a religious conversion, and the claim that they've quit drinking, and you've got prime presidential material there.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. I think they will. Repugs don't care.

As long as it's a Bush they don't care. Hell if they'll throw all their money and support behind the Bush less likely to succeed (Chimpy), what do you think they'll do with Jeb?

[Bucky]

19. I'm sure somebody said that about Poppy in 1993.

I hate to by cynical, but history keeps repeating itself because nobody was listening the first time it spoke. I have the oddest feeling we'll be voting Jebster out of office after one term in 2020.

[truthisfreedom]

21. if? when. intelligent republicans won't. corrupt republicans will.

[Neshanic]

24. Of course they will. It's a brand name. Like Coco Puffs.

[Eye and Monkey]

25. How long before * is referred to as "the Edsel"?

[incapsulated]

26. No, I don't think so

There are quite a few prominant republicans who don't like Bush at all. If he loses, they will get the podium. I would say they would be at war with the evangelicals, but it seems even they have their share of dissenters, amazingly...

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Bush is over

(I thought I posted this once but don't see it. Sorry if this is a dupe)

If shrub loses, that's it for the Bush "dynasty". As was said above, Jeb's radioactive. But more to the point, win or lose, the Repubs will implode after this election. The Bush arm will be out there with the litter that was the neocon and theocon arms.

but perhaps more to the point is that starting Nov 3 we need to watch our backs. Kerry's got to face the shit storm that's swirling. Repeat after me ..... "Bush's fault".

Lingering bad economy? Quite likely. ....... Bush's fault.

More deficits? How can we avoid them in the short term? ......... Bush's fault.

Iraq? We'll be there a while ........ _clearly_ Bush's fault.

Another Qaeda strike? I believe it is a certainty ....... Bush's fault.

A draft? Not impossible ........ Bush's fault.

Lack of international support for a little longer? ..... Bush's fault.

Bush's fault. Bush's fault. Bush's fault.

Repeat this long and loud. It is a dual purpose inoculation. It inoculates Kerry for a year or three and it inoculates the country from anything named Bush.