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Mon Nov-01-04 03:39 AM
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When Kerry wins, with McAuliffe get some respect? |
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He's spent the last four years building a structure to match the Republicans', including a huge GOTV effort.
Will he be redeemed when Kerry wins?
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:40 AM
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Kerry won with his own organization. McAuliffe is and has been an effectual, feckless hack.
He needs to go, IMHO.
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:41 AM
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Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 03:43 AM by Dookus
why not explain why you feel that way?
Name-calling isn't an argument.
On edit: It's incredibly naive to claim that Kerry won on his own organization. The party is infinitely more important.
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:42 AM
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:43 AM
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another EOM.
But no content.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:00 AM
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... can be terminal. I still cannot believe that so many have not seen through the "plan" that was executed with the other democratic primary candidates. I think Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich are fine people, but it is obvious they were also out there to energize the democrat base to get interest and issues in the news, just as Al Sharpton, Bob Graham, Carol Mosley-Braun served to get their own followers into the fold.
This is and was a total team effort by the democrats, yes, perhaps even the posturing done in the senate. They sure did succeed in showing people how out of whack the GOP is, not to mention the current corruption in the GOP (Halliburton, Enron, et al). Someone did some great strategic work here. Don't forget all the howling done concerning the media catering to the Bush Crime Cabal the past three years, let alone the sick and negative campaigning done by the GOP and their minions. Something had to be tried and it looks like it worked. We will know for sure in the next two days.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:01 AM
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That Kerry "organization" was retreaded about halfway out with a shit load of Clinton's people.
I do not take away a whit from Kerry. He let them in. But let's give kudos where they're due.
When this is won on Tuesday, everyone won it. The Dems are more in lock step than they've ever been. And it all mattered.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:41 AM
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17. Kerry campaign is very dependent on the DNC as any Dem Pres candidate |
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:41 AM
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3. MacAuliffes has worked hard for Kerry. He deserves some respect. |
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:43 AM
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8. Not after running the most inept opposition party in the legislature! |
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:56 AM
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a position with no argument behind it.
First of all, McAuliffe is not responsible for politics - he's responsible for getting his party elected. If you don't like what congressional Dems have done, it's not McAuliffe's fault.
This discussion is about getting Dems elected - and he has totally reorganized the national party structure. We now, for the first time, can match the Repubs in fundraising. We now, for the first time, can match them in GOTV efforts.
Why the hate? I expect Kerry will win on Tuesday, and when he does so, it will be due, largely, to the organizational skills of McAuliffe.
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:43 AM
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Didn't Kerry call for McAuliffe's ouster when it was clear he was going to be the nominee? I thought I heard that somewhere, but I could be way off.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:43 AM
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19. no, McAuliffe already planned to leave long before Kerry |
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knew he was going to be the nominee.
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Mon Nov-01-04 03:43 AM
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6. Plenty he doesn't deserve n/t |
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:01 AM
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... he's a little too money-hungry, and a little too close to the DLC.
And, largely, he didn't single-handedly build that GOTV effort. A lot of independent groups did the grunt work on that, with an initial push from Howard Dean's internet efforts, of which McAuliffe took no notice and gave not a whit of help.
McAuliffe, ultimately, is part of the problem, not the solution.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:03 AM
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13. I respect his effort, but McAuliffe just doesn't do it for me as a |
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spokesman for the Democrats. He's OK, but we could do a lot better.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:18 AM
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:37 AM
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15. McAuliffe has always been very good at what he does |
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clinton picked him because he knew mcauliffe was very good when it comes to organization and money. it wasn't some job he just gave to someone who was a friend or did a few favors for him. he picked who he saw as the best guy for that position.
mcauliffe also does a very good job of kicking right wingers asses in every single appearance he has. he never lost to any republican he was up against.
i'm one of the few on here who has always liked mcauliffe and saw him as doing a great job.
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Mon Nov-01-04 06:54 AM
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27. I have always liked him too, J17. |
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:38 AM
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The national party has done an exceptional job with this campaign. Win or lose, McAuliffe deserves some respect for that. There has been an amazing amount of oraganization done, at all levels, and he had a lot to do with that.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:43 AM
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howard wolfson will be the one they point the most credit to once the smoke clears. terry mcaulliffe has felt threatened by wolfson this entrire campaign.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:45 AM
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20. Yes, but I'd like to see the party go a little farther leftward... |
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That may take some time, but after we get the country back, I'd like to get the Democratic Party back, if that makes any sense.
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Mon Nov-01-04 04:55 AM
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If Kerry wins this election it will be because the mainstream have voted "any thing but Bush". God we so need to get back to at least a moderate platform in the Democratic party.
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Mon Nov-01-04 05:02 AM
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22. If Kerry Wins. It will be becuase we the people put him there. |
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The dem organization would have meant nothing, if it weren't for the blood and sweat of the people who have worked their collective asses off to get Kerry elected. Quite frankly with the ammo we had against Bush, this should be a route. If we had a decent political machine it would have been a route.
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Mon Nov-01-04 05:30 AM
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23. McAulifee has always been 100% a Clinton man |
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.. there was some friction with Kerry earlier in year, so I can't see him staying on
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Mon Nov-01-04 05:41 AM
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24. If Kerry wins I'll Give Terry a coupon |
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Terry is a good money man
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Mon Nov-01-04 05:52 AM
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25. With all due respect to McAuliffe, who is a "nice guy" |
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and not much more... LOCKHART for DNC Chairman.
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Mon Nov-01-04 06:51 AM
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26. I love Terry Mc. Always have. He's not perfect. No one is... |
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But he is tough and loyal. That's good enough for me.
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Mon Nov-01-04 08:46 AM
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28. He's tough and loyal and smart. |
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He did everything he could to lay the groundwork for a Democratic victory. He has already announced his resignation. I think he has done an excellent job as DNC chair.
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Mon Nov-01-04 08:51 AM
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He appears not to understand the Rep. desire to destroy our party.
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Mon Nov-01-04 08:54 AM
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30. Not After 2002 - Kerry Is Running Show, DNC Has Been Sloppy |
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There are few here that need to be reminded about the 2002 fiasco, which sent liberalism into a tailspin. It was one of the reasons that if Howard Dean didn't exist, we would have to invent him (in a sense, the internet folks did).
As for this years race, the DNC has had little discipline and has been slow to react to changing conditions.
However, in all likelihood, Kerry is going to dominate the DNC the way Clinton did as the HNIC. With some luck, some of the more talented operatives from the campaign, particularly those in charge of rapid response (the Swift Boat hesitation came from upstairs, not on the ground) will find themselves in positions where they will be most effective for the Democratic Party.
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Mon Nov-01-04 09:03 AM
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He's also helped raise so much money and regrouped the party after the defeats of 2000 and 2002.
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