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Sat Jan-17-04 01:42 AM
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:46 AM
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1. You forgot one choice: Oh, Puleeaze!!!!!! |
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Why do you seem to lose "respect" for anyone who supports Dean?
Democrats that have lost your "respect":
- Al Gore - Jesse Jackson Jr. - Bill Bradley - Ann Richards - etc.
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:47 AM
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2. Gained respect after learning that? |
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I can see lost or no difference, but could someone explain that they gained respect for taking money to make an endorsement?
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:13 AM
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15. "Taking money to make an endorsement?!?" |
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Aren't you extrapolating rather broadly there? Have you a link for that please?
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:47 AM
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3. they flipped her right before the last televised debate |
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That's why she attacked Kucinich for wanting to bring our troops home, and she attacked Gephardt and Kucinich for "protectionism" - protecting American jobs - and also attacked Edwards for some reason.
It was obvious then she had gotten on board the Dean wagon.
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:12 AM
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14. Don't forget how she ripped into John Edwards with phony accusations |
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about his votes in the senate favoring Bush. Edwards had to refer to the Congressional Quarterly to set her straight.
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Sat Jan-17-04 04:32 AM
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My heart just sunk when she attacked the other democrats under the guise of standing up for Dean. I didn't 'get' it.
At the end of the debate, she was standing right next to Dean and they seemed smiley in a weird way (hate to use the "c" word - but, that's what I thought: conspiratorially).
I turned to my husband and predicted exactly what she did. Of course, I didn't know about the money and as long as it isn't a quid pro quo, that is of no consequence to me. However, to turn on the others like that at a debate and then drop out of the race...
Carol, I hardly knew ye'.
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:49 AM
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5. I've lost respect for my fellow Democrats who manage to smear |
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anyone associated with the Dean campaign and lie to no end.
But, I haven't lost an ounce of respect for CMB.
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:52 AM
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7. DC voted before she dropped out |
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and her fourth place finish probably sealed her fate on dropping out.
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:59 AM
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10. You said before a single vote was cast |
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not before a single binding vote was cast. And a third place finish in the only majority African American constituency in the entire US didn't bode well for her.
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Sat Jan-17-04 01:53 AM
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20k? That's pocket change to all of the candidates except Dennis. Everyone gets money from somewhere.
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:01 AM
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11. I listened to the things CMB said -- |
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-- in the debates and the way she said them.
If she is now a consultant for the Dean effort, it's a great gain for Dr. Dean to have a gracious and intelligent soul around the campaign.
Joe Trippi has specifically addressed the charges of wrong-doing. I don't think he would fib about this, and I accept him at his word. If he were fibbing, the truth would come out in a few days and sink his candidate.
So I don't accept that Ambassador Moseley Braun was a shill for Dean, or wasting anyone's time. ABC thought she was wasting theirs and pulled their producer from her campaign. I'm angry at ABC, but not CMB.
I don't care much for the anti-CMB tone of several posts in the last day or so. She has earned more respect than that.
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Sat Jan-17-04 04:27 AM
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Carol and Howard always had similar things to say. Her message wasn't amplified, twisted, surgically deconstruced and broadcast every single day. Some people are just unaware that she hasn't changed her position on issues. They always had a lot in common.
If it was about money, why didn't she put out a bid process or something? See how much more some other candidate would offer her? Because she isn't that kind of lady, that's why. And has never given any indication that she was for sale. Her only crime now is backing Howard Dean. His crime is recognizing real talent when he sees it. Up until now, I have heard no one on DU imply that she was anything other than a classy lady. I still think so.
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:01 AM
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... but my choice is not directed towards CMB or Dean. I had no idea that candidates paid for endorsements! Call me naive, but I had no clue that even happened. So, do all the politicians and celebrities that endorse candidates get paid for doing so? That saddens me.
So, no, my "Lost" vote represents my loss of respect for the entire process.
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:11 AM
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:16 AM
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16. She's working as a consultant - |
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should she work for free?
Did you gain or lose respect for Wesley Clark when he took money for endorsing Bush? Now there's a poll I'd like to see.
This is a bullshit attempt to smear a fine woman. Sickening.
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:50 AM
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19. It's not a legitimate question - |
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she is a valuable asset to the campaign - I don't think $20K is enough. It's certainly a lot less than Clark made fundraising for Republicans.
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Sat Jan-17-04 03:35 AM
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Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 03:45 AM by parasim
... it's not a legitimate question if fundraising = endorsement. Is that what we're talking about here? Is it a mischaracterization to say CMB was paid to *endorse* Dean?
To me, fundraising is not the same as endorsing, but I am rather new to this political world. I certainly could be way off with my assumptions.
on edit: I reread the poll question and see that it does not say that she was necessarily being paid to endorse Dean, rather that she is simply getting paid by the Dean campaign. In that case, no loss of respect from me. I'd still like to see a distinction between endorsing a candidate and doing fundrasing for a candidate...
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:20 AM
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18. How much is Kerry paying Rand Beers? |
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CMB is an great asset. Any campaign would be happy to have her help.
You know as well as I do that Kerry would have taken her on in second.
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Sat Jan-17-04 04:36 AM
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running for president?
I'm only disappointed that a candidate I liked a lot suddenly turned on 3 other candidates in a debate and then dropped out, throwing her support to a 4th candidate.
To me, that's sad.
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