"Do not be magnanimous in victory." Paul Krugman

[Hamlette]

"I hope the people around (Kerry) understand that this is not politics as we know it. It’s not, “OK, well, we won an election. After the election we’ll get together and work in a bipartisan way to help the country.” They didn’t work in a bipartisan way when the United States was attacked. They immediately saw it as a way to achieve political dominance. Kerry has got to understand that he has a window of opportunity to expose what’s going on and to rock these people back to the point where we can try to reclaim the normal workings of democracy. Unless there’s a true miracle and the Democrats take the House—which is extremely unlikely—it’s going to be very bitter political civil war from Day One. The House leadership will try to undermine Kerry. I’m sure they’ll try to impeach him almost immediately. On anything." http://texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=1777

This link was posted before and I've been looking for it since because this portion in particular is right on target. Don't waste your time rubbing people's noses in it but we should not give one single inch to these monsters.

edited to add link and because I didn't know you couldn't use brackets

[wryter2000]

1. Yes

We must have continuing investigations on Bushite failures, lying, theft, and deceit. We can't let this happen again.

[shelley806]

45. Investigations on hidden corruption of the past administration is VITAL!

[Malva Zebrina]

2. and that includes giving McCain a place at the table

We don't need no flim flam con men turncoats running our government.

[venus]

5. Yeah on McCain. Let's not pretend

McCain is our friend, Kerry and Kerry supporters.

[The Shadow]

67. John McCain Is The Enemy!

Never forget that, he is not a friend. He has shown who he cares about time and time again, and it ain't about truth in government.

[Spiffarino]

68. I think that was #5's point,

Shadow.

Notice how I stuck your name in there as a continuation of the subject?

;)

[NVMojo]

88. the sad part about being McCain is he has to "forget" what

Rove and company did to him when he dared to run against the Fortunate Son. The lies and the rumors about his mental state, his family life, his adopted daughter. You'd think he'd never forget that crap. Politics do make strange bedfellows ....

[fishwax]

14. Agreed

no way we should kiss gop ass after kicking it on tuesday. there are qualified dem candidates for every cabinet position out there.

[arewenotdemo]

20. Absolutely agree!

[eyepaddle]

44. Wholeheartedly agree!

[Warren DeMontague]

39. McCain & Arnold Have Shown Their True Colors

As have Rudy and countless other so-called "moderate" GOP hacks.

Let them spend the next 4 years trying to soak the stink of this disasterous administration off of themselves. It's not our job to rehabilitate 'em.

[RafterMan]

62. On the other hand

Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel have also shown their true colors. I'm all for laying down the law, but I don't want the Dems to forget there were Republicans with the guts to break the 11th commandment.

[lanparty]

93. This is true ...

But Chuck Hagel still has to account for his voting machines without paper trails!!!

[dicknbush]

42. Totally agree

This guy did not have the guts to stand up to this punk (Bush) who basically let him, John McCain, be slimed by the likes of Rove and the others who just slimed this guy. I always find it interesting that McCains wife is never anywhere near hubby when ever he is near Punkboy Bush! At least it seems one memeber of the McCain family has some guts to stnad up to the scum bush!

[kath]

64. yeah, fuck McCain - he showed what an ass he truly is, these past coupla

months. It just *kills* me when dems say they'd vote for him. WTF?!?!

[Spiffarino]

69. I think Dems would have voted for him

...before he kissed Chimpy's ass. The whole bi-partisan thing is over for him. He's fucked.

[Dem2theMax]

82. Totally agree. And he has only himself to blame.

It still makes me so mad that he stood there and let */Rove/you name it, do the same thing to Kerry that they did to him, and then he endorses * and kisses his ring :puke: every chance he got.

Bye-bye John. I used to respect you. No more.

[NVMojo]

89. this Dem would have voted for him until the Chimpy buddy system

reared its ugly head.

It makes me wonder if Rove did his pre-anti-Viet Nam vet thing on McCain to make it ok to smear any Viet Nam vet Dem that ever messed with any of his candidates in the future since there is always a good chance that any Dem of age to run for office could be a Viet Nam Vet and Rove knows that is the one thing Chimpy fucked up.

[lanparty]

94. There is an opportunity to ...

... their is an opportunity for the Kerry camp to help re-empower the neo-cons. The trick is that they have to do it stealthfully. Let Kerry ask for everything he wants. Than let the paleo-cons make the compromise. Lock the neo-cons out negotiations and relevance!!!

[Langis]

3. I hope the Repugs in the house fight Kerry tooth and nail

And try and impeach him.

That will just make it that much easier to take back the house in 2006. Bring it on!

[NVMojo]

90. we should have impeached Chimpass

[Howardx]

4. none of this "healing the nation" crap

thats what im afraid of, they will decide to not expose * and his crooked puppet masters for "the sake of our national unity" or something.

[Spiffarino]

70. We'd better not play that game.

The last time our candidates rolled over for them, we got stuck with a proto-hominid preznit and a one-party government that couldn't give less of a shit about the country or any of us. It's all about the power.

It's time to let them have it and have it hard.

[lanparty]

95. Democrats need a backbone ...

... why would anyone send someone to fight for them when they won't even fight for themselves. Democrats should have stood and fought over the questionable measures in the Patriot Act!!! Senate Democrats should have pushed HARDER after 9/11 to find out what caused such a COLOSSAL failure in our air defense system.

Yeah, I know, Bin Laden did the 9/11 job. But someone on the inside LET them do it!!!!

[lanparty]

96. The nation will be healed ...

The nation will be healed once the gangrenous flesh is lanced from the Congress. Than we can re-fund stem cell research so we can regrow all those limbs!!!

[kentuck]

6. We need to go as far left as Bush went to the right....

that means we need to spend a lot of money to bring it back to even...

[htuttle]

7. FINISH THEM!

[MallRat]

18. Ouch. Dontcha hate it when some guy rips your torso off?

Yikes.

[maxudargo]

49. I hate it when that happens

[Mandate My Ass]

8. Wow

The Bush budget is very much short on charts and tables–it’s better not to think about what would be in them. But it has these themes, uplifting themes of various kinds and each of them is illustrated with multiple glossy color photos of Bush doing presidential-type things. Obviously you see him standing in front of a giant American flag talking about homeland security, but you also see him hiking along a mountain trail, comforting the elderly, helping children learn how to read. It really does look like something from a Communist country. You know, I joked when I wrote about it that they forgot the photo of him swimming the Yangtze River. It’s very un-American, but it fits in with Operation Flight Suit—that kind of stagecraft, that glorification of the individual leader. What I wrote at the time of the carrier landing is that in the American tradition, the president is a civilian—even if he’s a former general. The president does not appear in uniform; he’s not a generalísimo; he’s not a hero.

[ciaobox]

9. There is a "third" way...

If Kerry can analyze each and every senate/house Republican, mayors, Governors, etc. -- a very wise strategy would be to work directly with "traditional" Republicans while totally ignoring the new breed Neocons. This way, he helps fracture the Republican party. One strategy might be to tell the Repukes that if they change leadership in the house and senate to more free-thinking Repugz, he will consider working with them.

This might not be the emotional revenge we all want, but if he can further divide Republicans among themselves, it only makes us stronger in the long run.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Amen to the "third way"

The repubs are not going away. There will be an internal civil war amongsth them, but they'll be here in some form. Our job needs to be to selectivek work with the reasonable ones and help them take their party back.

I continue to espose even leting some of these moderate repubs into high level appointments in the Kerry admin.

Let the neocons and theocons go out with last week's garbage.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Any moderate Republican senator from a Democratic states?

I could see offering him (or her) an appointment.

The neocons can go to Hell.

[Hamlette]

23. Selective? Be careful. Bush ran as a Compassionate Conserv.

and he ruled as a nazi.

Maybe those with long records like the ladies from Maine and Chaffee. Otherwise, fugitaboutit.

The GOP pulled out the knives. We gotta remember there are no rules in a knife fight.

[ciaobox]

25. That's exactly what I am saying

Chafee and Snow are good examples. There may not be many "Traditional" Repukes left but they ARE out there. Another thing Kerry could do is start endorsing traditional repubs in 2006 primary races where there is no chance of a Dem winning. If there is a consistent subtextual message in the country that "traditional" Republicans will have a (very small) seat at the table with Kerry VS. neocons having no seat, we can start pulling the Repukes back to the center.

[Bongo Prophet]

84. I get what you are saying. Strategic fracturing.

There are some faultlines within the GOP. A smart strategy would be to exploit those and get some GOP "partnerships" and tout that as a part of the "healing process" and "bringing us together"...spin that well. Kerry is uniting us! meanwhile split the sane from the insane, Neocons from Theocons, Big Gov cons from StripGovBare cons. Divide and let them fight each other for scraps. Turn their meanness on each other.

And set in motion executive actions and infrastructure that will be nigh impossible to turn around. Big plans taken to American people regarding ENERGY and Health, to get momentum for the Big Idea. Big Vision rhetoric that moves people worked for W and he could bareley speak. We can help there.

Finally, very aggressive prosecutions.
Carrots, sticks, and daggers and scalpels.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. He ran as a Compassionate Conserv, but ruled Texas as a

nazi as Governor.

This is one of the things that blew me away when he won President!

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history. I think his final total was 156.

[symbolman]

48. Sure there are..

They get out a knife you get out a gun..

them's the rules :)

Unfortunately the Dems have been bringing plastic spoons to the Knife fight, been saying that for years..

[Kingshakabobo]

66. except bring a gun n/t

[lanparty]

97. If they pull knives ..

If they pull out knives, we pull out guns!!!! Then we let them put their knives away and say "Geez, don't over-react, I was only kidding".

This is the way bullies behave. They push everyone around until someone bloodie's their nose. Than they cry and wine about how the other guy is over-reacting!!!

If Kerry is smart he'll put James Carville in charge of political strategy at the White House. Carville has the right idea. Beat the other guy until he whines and whimpers. They have the same mentality as Saddam Hussein. Only force will bring them to the table!!!!

BTW, they need to lock up whoever outed Valerie Plame for a VERY long time!!!

[Malikshah]

29. I agree-- EXPOSE first then wait for them to come to you

Exposure of all the crap is needed-- Delay, Frist, the administration, the Pentagon, the FCC, the SEC, etc. Expose expose expose-- lay it on the line-- make it required reading.

No "Warren Commissions" at all-- if there's a commission--give it teeth to prosecute.

You will get some Democrats with the Republicans--- so be it-- clean the filth from DC--purify it.

:)

[CitySky]

57. YES

Get 'em all. Any corrupt Dems out there too. Sorry. Democracy is hard work; let's get it right. CLEAN HOUSE!

[Oak2004]

46. Yes-- and what's more, WE should be helping traditional Republicans

If you've got open primaries, consider voting as a Republican to support traditional Republicans.

At least, donate to traditional Republican primary campaigns. The biggest problem we had when we were trying to keep the extremists from taking over the party is that the extremists had unbelievable amounts of money. Even well-liked moderate incumbents were defeated by their massive smear campaigns -- what can you do when you've got the money to mail out a couple of brochures, just as it's always been done in your district, and they are flooding TV and radio with ads claiming every sort of distortion and lie, and hiring telemarketers to push-poll their demagoguery?

[ContinentalOp]

52. I disagree with the "third way." It sends the wrong message.

Working together with certain approved Republicans sends the message that there are simply a few bad apples we disagree with but that overall, we consider parts of conservative ideology to be reasonable and respectable. This is SO WRONG!!! We need the American people to understand that the worst excesses of the Bush administration are not an aberration but are the logical extension of conservative principals. Do not allow the right wing extremists to cloak themselves behind "reasonable" or "traditional" conservatives. They have had their chance controlling the White House and Congress and we've seen the results.

[belle]

80. It depends what you're trying to do.

If you're working to pass certain measures, say, it can be vital to work across party lines. It isn't the same thing as, say, installing R's to your cabinet.

[belle]

79. Yes, there's something to that. I think he can pull it off, too.

Kerry is nothing if not a political animal. I think he can probably wheel and deal with the best of them. I mean, he can fight tooth and nail, and that's important; but that's not the only card in his deck, and that's important, too.

[carnie_sf]

87. I agree wholeheartedly

however, do you think we could see * and his entire administration indicted?

[lanparty]

98. No we won't ...

I think everyone will be bought off or pardoned by that point. They really don't NEED to pardon Cheney, Ashcroft, et al. They need to pardon their underlings. That will cut the legs off of any investigation because there will be no leverage to force them into testifying against the big boys!!!!

[Borgnine]

10. Agreed.

Once we take the White House back, our number one goal should be taking the cloak off the far-right, and that includes fixing the media.

[yellowcanine]

11. I disagree - Kerry can win lots of * voters over to his side and relegate

the Pubbie party to minority status for 20 years.

[hippiegranny]

41. I disagree with you

Everytime we offer them a hand, they take an arm; an inch - a mile; a bone - the whole animal...

[Jack_Dawson]

12. Disagree

These people are lunatics. You're going to have to throw them a bone somewhere or they will start WWIII.

[colonel odis]

13. shut them out of everything. EVERYTHING!

don't patronize businesses run by bush supporters. work as hard as possible to turn republicans out of office at every level.

they started this when clinton won. now i think they should see how it feels.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

17. Yep

I'm even going to start working harder to identify Democrat owned businesses and patronize them instead of repuke owned ones.

Hit 'em where it hurts for supporting a party and policies that hurt all of us.

[bush equals idiot]

35. Yeah let's show them

what it's like to be shut out of conferences altogether and conspiring to cast votes at 3AM so nobody knows.

Bastards.

[robbedvoter]

15. Thanks for reposting - I saved this importantonterview.

[Nancy Waterman]

22. Velvet glove over an iron fist

Kerry should prosecute vigorously all misdeeds, including those of Bush, Rummy, and Ashcroft. All breaches of the Constitution should be addressed by a potent Attorney General. It needs to be clear to the American people that these people broke the law and this is a government of laws, not a cult of personality. But at the same time, Kerry should try and work with the moderate Republicans in a centrist government and work to bring the country together.

[DinahMoeHum]

26. . . .just like Michael Corleone in "The Godfather"

He was looked upon as a pretty boy and even a faggot because of his looks and gentle disposition, but in the end, he was absolutely cold-blooded in eliminating his rivals and traitors.


:kick:

[NCFedUp]

37. pointing this out...

"even a faggot because of his looks and gentle disposition"

I'm not saying that this 3rd party observation is indicative of your own personal views, but the disparaging use of the word "faggot" in your comment made me feel like I was in freeperville.

[DinahMoeHum]

43. Oh, get off yer high horse over political correctedness.

It was obviously meant to be a 3rd party observation. And you know it. So get over it.

:nuke:

[henslee]

21. Hamlette, thank you for digging this out. I already shared it. I am sick

of the "make nice" attitude that can pop up everywhere, whether its about Arnold or about McCain.

[robbedvoter]

24. The word "bipartisan" makes me throw up!

[Hamlette]

28. it is just like date rape....now that you mention it.

I too am sick of it. In theory its a good idea but the GOP refused to play fair. We need to cut them out entirely.

If you knew me, a 54 year old mother in Utah, who has always said "can't we just get along" you'd know how much Bush has driven me crazy to get to this point!

Of all the horrid things Bush has done its the undermining of democracy that is truly the most frightening.

Go Blue!

[Oak2004]

47. Bipartisanship is a good thing, as long as there are two parties

dedicated to democracy. Currently, we've got one major party that still knows what the Constitution says, and one that's been taking its methods from Mein Kampf.

We do need at least one healthy opposition party for a healthy democracy. That means we either need a radically reformed Republican Party, or we need at least one new party to arise.

[Hamlette]

27. you posted it first henslee?

I've been looking for it for two days. Buzzflash. Shoulda gone there first.

Anyway, thanks!

[requiem99]

30. THE BEST SINGLE QUOTE.

"We’re right on the edge between those two possibilities. Things have shifted quite a lot over the past few days. On the one hand, the ruling party really doesn’t believe in democratic norms.

They’ve been trying to rig the election in a number of ways, and they’ve rolled out that a vote for John Kerry is a vote for the terrorists, in effect. That’s a deeply undemocratic thing, and if they win, they will try to institutionalize that.

On the other hand, if they lose and the records are opened—it’s pretty obvious that it will be devastating. So it’s a weird moment. You feel like people are noticing the nakedness of the emperor—finally—but either just at the last minute or maybe not quite in time."

[Gregorian]

31. And there is a fourth way. The people- the internet.

I heard Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi, speaking with Moyers. I am quite upset over the possibility that Kerry will be a lame duck, if I may call it that. But Trippi says that Congress can be, and will be, persuaded to pass the bills people want them to pass, if the people make their voices heard. That's where the internet comes in. Kerry should take his agenda to the American people, via the net. This is our opportunity to have a real democracy. Us and John Kerry can take this to a new level, I think. I am quite optimistic that we can override the conservative Congress, with our voices.

[calimary]

56. Absolutely. Please, if I may be so bold, see my post here #51.

I think it's essential.

We NEED to follow this up. It's not enough to win. We have to shove it down their throats and make them cry "uncle." They HAVE GOT TO BE CONFRONTED WITH THIS FACT: We are ONTO THEM, we are WATCHING THEM, and we're BIGGER THAN THEY ARE. AND WE'RE PISSED.

[lanparty]

99. Clinton was NOT a lame duck ...

... and Clinton had a Republican congress for 6 years of his presidency. He used his position to browbeat them into acquieising!!!

[Arkana]

Finally, the best idea I've heard

If/when Kerry wins, we need to show NO mercy, because we got none in 2000.

[calimary]

58. Exactly. It's the ONLY language they understand.

So we have to use it to get through to 'em. They've lived by the sword. Now, the rest of that sentence should follow.

[Jacobin]

32. Very true. When Clinton won in a landslide with a clear mandate

they sought to oust him in a blowjob coup.

Republicans have to be fought at every turn, with no quarter given, ever, at all. They see attempts to conciliate as weakness. They are scum and have to be dealt with using the heel of your boot.

[TexasSissy]

33. True. "No more Mr. Nice Guy." Hey, we tried to play fair! Gloves off.

[Paradise]

36. Saved by your post! Thanks, Hamlette, I needed that! n/t

[Shakespeare]

38. Thank you! I was just looking for this to post in another thread!

The one saying we needed to react with "class."

Class has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[BillZBubb]

40. Krugman is right again!

I really hope President Kerry doesn't do the usual weak-kneed Democrat act. If he looks like he's begging Tom Delay or Bill Frist to help him, he's through. He needs to tell them how it's going to be.

If they block him, he can call out his legions--we're here on line and ready to go to battle.

I have no problem extending an olive branch to those Republicans who are deeply troubled by the excesses and insanity of the Bush* regime. The rest can go fuck themselves--THIS IS WAR!

[Piperay]

50. Totally agree

Clinton tried to be bi-partisan and what did he get for that ... impeached. No more Mr. Nice Guy Democrats ... this time we need to take them down so far they will never get up again! :mad:

[calimary]

51. Here's an idea, humbly submitted:

On November 3rd, or whenever it's clearly established that Kerry has mopped the floor with the Bad Guys, WE, DUers and others of like mind (like, maybe, every loyal Democrat and liberal and progressive you know) MUST get on the phone and call (TOLL FREE, by the way) EVERY member of our congressional delegation. I was thinking every one of the opposition party, but I think maybe EVERY ONE would be better - OUR GUYS must have THEIR OWN feet held to the fire. When we call them, we say some version of the following:

"I'm calling to MAKE SURE you are aware of the results of this election (particularly if it's anywhere near decisive). I want you to recognize that this is a MANDATE FOR JOHN KERRY AND FOR THE DEMOCRATS. It is a TOTAL REPUDIATION OF THE WAY YOU HAVE DONE BUSINESS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

"I want you to understand that we are here, in numbers FAR GREATER than you expected OR imagined, and we are NOT going away, now that the election is over. WE HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO WORK. We will remain here, on the alert, and we will remain VIGILANT. We will be watching EVERYTHING you do, in numbers FAR GREATER than you expected, OR imagined. We WILL hold you accountable, IN THE SAME WAY WE HAVE NOW HELD GEORGE W. BUSH ACCOUNTABLE.

"You. Will. Cooperate. With. President. Kerry. You will NOT fight him or give him a hard time. YOU WILL GO ALONG WITH WHAT HE WANTS, AND YOU WILL BE HELPFUL. If you'd rather go back to partisan efforts to muck up the works for him, as he proceeds to heal our nation and clean up the mess YOUR MAN CREATED AND YOU ENABLED, we will come after YOU, too.

"Be assured that WE ARE WATCHING. ALWAYS. You will NOT be able to get away with it, ANY LONGER. Your job now is to COOPERATE WITH PRESIDENT KERRY. Do you UNDERSTAND this, CLEARLY? We-the-People spoke VERY LOUDLY AND CLEARLY on Election Day. It was PLENTY LOUD ENOUGH for you to hear. You WILL COMPLY. You have NO CHOICE."

If all of us, and everybody we know, does some version of this, we will keep them on their knees.

PLUS: Calls of this sort should probably be made REPEATEDLY, like maybe once a week, to keep them honest. Otherwise they will allow themselves to forget, lapse back into their bad habits and it'll be more bullshit as usual. UNLESS WE HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.

The same or similar approach needs to be taken with the media also.

I’m quite serious. These people need to be bullied. They did it to us. Now they need a taste of their own medicine. It’s the only way some people learn.

[Robbien]

54. What a great idea. Bookmarking!

I want our representatives to act like our representatives. Our media to act like our media. This is a great idea! Will do.

Bookmark.

[CitySky]

59. I agree absolutely

I've been thinking about this for quite a while. President Kerry will need us to be more vocal than ever in order to get anything done.

What President Kerry can do to help this is run his administration the opposite of * - openness instead of secrecy, lots of press conferences, talk on TV a lot, tell us what he's trying to accomplish and where the logjams are, willingness to answer questions. I am looking forward to this like a cool drink of water after a long hot day.

But your post nicely outlines what WE can do to help him. Thanks! :thumbsup: Let's not forget all we've learned this past year.

[NVMojo]

91. thanks, I like it, I'll do it!

[CitySky]

53. When we can start being nice to Repubicans in power again

when they start showing willingness to work within the basic framework of our representative democracy, without:

*voter suppression
*DeLay-style campaign finance violations
*taking away people's Constitutional liberties
*hijacking of OUR airwaves by corporate-controlled media.

When they merely differ with us on things like domestic, economic, and forein policies, we will welcome a civilized national debate. But as long as they play like fascists, we will treat them as such.

Period.

[welshTerrier2]

55. Krugman doesn't go far enough ...

of course, i totally agree with his sage advice that we are in a war ... we need to start fighting for what we believe in ... the days of collegiality in the Senate are over ...

the only place i disagree with Krugman is that we should not be magnamimous in defeat either ... we are at war ... i can just hear it now if we lose (which we won't) ... democrats will say things like "the American people have spoken" ... they damned well better not let this happen ... if we lose, half of the American people will have spoken against bush ... we need our reps to represent us ...

[calimary]

60. Kick!

Nominating this thread.

[DeepModem Mom]

61. Kick -- and please keep kicked

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

63. In GD, there was a similar discussion, but for the other argument:

That is, we should be magnanimous in victory.

This was my reply:

For the past twelve years:
Every time we've tried to be "bipartisan" and reach across the aisle, we get kicked in the teeth. We (I use that word to mean Congress) "united" with Bush after 9/11, and look at what they did. They used it as a wedge to win the 2002 elections.

No more.

I'm tired of "taking the high road."

I'M TAKING MY COUNTRY BACK. And tomorrow is the first step to tell the neo-cons that their wannabe-fascist agenda has NO PLACE in this country. America doesn't respect "class" as much as it respects someone who STANDS UP to these fascists and says "NO MORE!"

No more Bush.
No more PNAC.
No more.

I'll say it again. NO. MORE.

[chimp chump]

65. Krugman is right to a point.

"Unless there’s a true miracle and the Democrats take the House—which is extremely unlikely—it’s going to be very bitter political civil war from Day One. The House leadership will try to undermine Kerry."

Absolutely, the GOP congress will oppose Kerry.

But that is where Krugman gets it wrong. He seems to think that the election of Kerry signals a turn toward liberal policy. This may not be true.

Instead, I suspect that the real swing voters in this election want a return to divided government, to gridlock.

Gridlock is the historical norm. And people of both parties generally seem more unhappy with Bush than they are with the GOP congress. The result: Kerry is more attractive to those who like split government. The Founders intended that we should mostly have split government in order to slow down the political process and allow at least two major bodies of opinion offered to the voters to inform our public policy.

[NrthrnLght]

71. Vehemently Disagree

If we want to bring progressive values to our personal and political lives, it is incumbent upon us NOT to become those whose policies we oppose. Simply labeling others as "monsters" weakens our values. Rather, I suggest we take as our models world leaders and prophets such as Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, Martin Luther King and Dennis Kucinich. We must learn to be the peace we desire, for as A.J. Muste said -- "There is no way to peace; peace is the way."

That said, we must also fight shrewdly and with eyes wide open for everything we believe in -- while recognizing that our "enemies" are not misguided individuals, but are instead the corporate behemoths whose sole, psychotic purpose is to rape and pillage the earth and wrest short-term profit from everything they touch. To that end I believe it is paramount that we work diligently, from the grassroots on up, to remove the rights of "personhood" currently accorded corporations -- to abolish any ill-conceived corporate "right" to free speech (including the right to influence, and contribute money to, politicians and elections) -- and to restore the rights of governments everywhere to resist the corrosive attempts of corporations to use the seductive guise of so-called "free trade" to override local regulations that protect the environment and the rights of workers.

[seraph]

72. Well Krugman,

As much as I appreciate your column, get over it.

[milkyway]

73. kick for the great Paul Krugman. As always, he's right.

[DemBones DemBones]

74. Damn straight! They have been horrible to us and they need to

apologize and atone for their sins. So does the media, which has been pimping Bush* for five long years.

[kodi]

75. "and we shall wash our weapons in the sea"

no prisoners. the gop have acted like the Borg over the past two decades and we will have been deemed fortunate indeed to roll back their perfidity in 2004.

krugman is absolutely correct, release the hounds of justice on this pack of creeps. humiliate, eviscerate, and incarcerate them all.

give them no quarter for surely they have given us none.

[Raenelle]

76. Krugman is transcending genius on the way to enlightened.

He is always so right.

[DaveOinSF]

77. Kerry should be magnanimous

His first act as President should be to pardon George W. for going AWOL from the national guard.

[belle]

78. I'm just excited that Krugman is suggesting "victory." He can be pretty

gloom and doom. If he's talking about success, well, I feel pretty good.

[Cha]

81. Maybe this time..the People that went out

and voted Kerry in on Election DAy will stand up and not let a bunch
of fascist criminals in Congress mess with our President..

They will not get away with shit this time. We're on to them!

[knight_of_the_star]

83. We can't play nice

These guys are downright brutal, we can't play pattycake with them after we wipe the floor with them. Mercy for an honourable foe is all well and good, but to an enemy who would not understand the word parley if it bit their ass off, no quarter, no surrender, and no mercy!!!

[rebel_liberal]

85. Excellent Thread! Kick! eom

[PaulaFarrell]

86. Freepers already planning

Check out this thread - it's very scary:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1264917/posts

To: AmishDude
I think the research into Kerry goes beyond this election. He should be exposed for what he is if at all possible. Beyond his seditious activity while still a commissioned officer in the reserve we need to know what he has really been doing during his non-productive 19 years in the Senate and during his meetings with all those foriegn leaders.
Could it be that he is just a gigolo slacker, or is there more hidden in his secrecy?


7 posted on 11/01/2004 9:09:55 AM PST by Baynative (What's more important to you? Stem Cells or TERRORIST CELLS?)
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To: AmishDude
You need to know that the veteran community will continue with this research no matter who wins this election.

That this is just not about the election, but about convicting Kerry of Treason for which there is No Statute of Limitations.

For further information about this point of view, please visit my website: www.CombatVetsAgainstKerry.com

We will prevail, we will take this guy down. If elected he will not be able to serve.

While he was just the junior senator from the Commonwealth of Mass. he was not a danger to our country. Now that he has decided to run for the presidency he is a clear and present danger to all of us. He has given us the ammunition that we need to take him down with his own actions and lies. All we have to do is connect the dots that he himself has provided us.

So get out there and dig. We must win for our troops and our very future!

Regards,

Buck Silverado

"De Oppresso Liber"



8 posted on 11/01/2004 9:22:00 AM PST by Buck Silverado
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[lanparty]

101. Kerry was muzzled by his own party!!!

Kerry was muzzled by his own party for being too "uppity". Their is a spark in Kerry that I really like. At that spark could show itself in amazing ways once he wields the authority of the oval office.

There is ZERO doubt that he's smart with a plentiful dash of iconoclasm. Lets hope that the iconclasm shows itself and Kerry rages against the machine!!!!

[lanparty]

92. INVESTIGATE !!!!

These guys are the biggest mob of crooks and charletons since Boss Tamany!!!

INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE!!!!

This is ESPECIALLY relevant to investigate and prosecute all the election fraud going on. It's doubly important to FINALLY throttle Katherine Harris and Choicepoint!!!! We have to put these election interference mongers BEHIND BARS.

The OTHER huge issue is to blow open the Poppy Bush's and Clinton's documents (as President Clinton has requested). Blow open Cheney's energy task force meetings. And put Cheney in jail!!!!!!

Let's put it this way. The Republicans will cook up all kinds of nonsense against him like they did against Clinton!! It doesn't matter if it's true or not. Kerry needs to hammer these fuckers for the criminals they are!!!!

Lets just hope that we pull out one house of congress so the Congress can do it (appearing slightly bi-partisan) instead of relying on the justice department.

Of course, the FIRST order of business is a 100 day session to:

* Implement the 9/11 report recomendations.
* Reform the tax code so corporations and the wealthy will have to pay taxes again!
* Raise the CAFE in an effort to make us more energy independent.
* Hammer corporations that outsource and give tax breaks to companies that hire domestically.

Other things to do:
* Investigate more carefully the actions at the FAA and Pentagon on 9/11. Reveal exactly WHO wasn't doing their job and turned our air defense into swiss cheese.

* MOST of Bush's PDBs. Than we'll find out that the 9/6 PDB that they released was radically redacted!!!!

* Investigate the redirection of Afghanistan funds to Iraq war preparation (that never properly equipped our troops)!!!

[lanparty]

100. Don't forget we have a media now!!!

The Republicans have been SO successful because they've ALWAYS had the media despite their constant whining to the contrary. They convinced the American public that the media THEY owned was biased against THEM. So even when the facts were AGAINST them, they'd just whine that the facts were biased.

I think Air America will go a LONG way to combating these jack-holes. They have the freedom to point out all the right wing lies. It gives a Democrat somewhere to get information about what the latest right wing lies our.

Air America listeners become SOLDIERS. Our soldiers fight the war at the water coolers and in bars across the nation. They will FINALLY be armed with accurate information and responses to the Republican's clever lies!!!!

Hopefully, Al Gore will make progress with his journalism station. Hopefully, they can create a format with pizazz AND substance. It would be a network that would NOT run Lacy Peterson 24-hours a day!!!