Some Bush supporters are really out of their friggin minds

[DoYouEverWonder]

This LTE was published in the Gainesville Sun today. I can't tell if it's a joke or if it's real, but the editors must have thought it was real. All I can say is that if 46% of the country really believes this crap, then we deserve Armageddon.


November 01. 2004

As one of 46 percent of Americans who believe we are now living in the end times and fast approaching Armageddon, I am not at all bothered that the postwar occupation of Iraq is proving to be a total disaster.

So, what if no weapons of mass destruction were found? So, what if there was no link between al-Qaeda and Iraq? The worse things get in the Middle East, the sooner Christ will return to earth.

I am not worried either when Vice President Cheney says we will be attacked by a nuclear bomb. Even if Christ doesn't appear immediately after we are attacked again, at least we'll finally be able to get rid of that pesky suicide pact called the U.S. Constitution.

Finally, we'll have a theocratic state with Jesus Christ as Lord. No more abortion, and adulterers and homosexuals will be stoned to death. So, I am voting for Bush.

With his administration in charge, I am confident we will soon see apocalyptic destruction.

Richard Burt,
Gainesville


http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041101/EDITORIALS02/41031048/-1/editorials

[w13rd0]

1. I hope that's a joke...

...and judging from the tone of it, I'd say it is a joke.

[MichiganVote]

9. No joke. This is really what the religious right plan on

[XOKCowboy]

20. Unfortunately You Are Right

As someone who grew up in the shadow of Oral Roberts Praying Hands, this is exactly what fundamentalists believe. Which also makes it even scarier that Bush not only panders to the Fundies but IS a Fundie.

To quote the Freepers.... God help us all.

[A Simple Game]

36. Of course after Kerry wins,

they will all calm down and realize it is God's will.

[cheshire]

2. Same type that want to do harm to us or Kerry, and the name calling.

[dave123williams]

3. Normally I wouldn't criticize somebody else's religious beliefs...

...but this guys is clearly FUCKING nuts.

[teach1st]

4. Satire, easily.... NT

[MichiganVote]

10. No, the religious right really believes this

[Orangepeel]

22. but they wouldn't call the constitution "pesky"

that word alone flags it as satire. They might talk about "activist judges," but they wouldn't say "pesky."

[Tansy_Gold]

45. Yes, they would.

ANYTHING that stands between them and the rapture is "pesky," "a nuisance," etc.

Don't let the words get in the way of your seeing exactly what these people want.

[Sugarbleus]

51. This IS the way some of them think but I agree with you...this was

published to show the public what we're up against...simply satire/parody.

[kwolf68]

5. That was a parody

It had to be.

[amber dog democrat]

6. What makes R Burt think he is going to the happy place ?

I hope Christ comes to his house with a sleigh full of goddies and fills all the stockings hung on the mantle too.

So, he is off his meds, right ? Is this a joke ?

[Catt03]

7. OMG

unbelievable

surprised that they printed it.

[Xipe Totec]

8. It's Just Political Suture

It had me in stitches! :evilgrin:

[MichiganVote]

12. Its funny only so long as its not real

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. I don't think so

I just looked in the phone book and there is only one Richard Burt in Gainesville. I called pretending I had the wrong number and he didn't sound like the joking type. I think this maniac is serious.

[Xipe Totec]

18. That just makes it funnier

Consider this:

50% of Americans have below average intelligence.

Close to 50% of Americans still support *.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. A child psychologist

pointed out that little fact to me once. She told, "you have to understand, not everyone is as smart as your are. Half the country has less than a 100 IQ." It makes you look at the world in a different way when you realize that.

[Xipe Totec]

28. Yes, and there is the difference

between Democrats and Republicans.

Democrats see their weaker brethren and say "we must protect them". Republicans see them and say "how can I turn this into a profitable venture?"

That's when it stops being funny.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

49. Yup. Very cogent distinction which I will repeat, thanks. n/t

[sakabatou]

11. This is why people hate fundies so much (n/t)

[Xipe Totec]

24. I Don't Hate Them

I just think they're confused.

They see the Golden Arches and they think it's the Pearly Gates.

They hear the Republicans tell them that God is on their side, but don't realize it's Baal.

They believe in the right to life, but will kill anyone who threatens it.

The Messiah keeps coming back to save them, and they crucify him because he's a goddamedlibrul.

Some day they will die, wake up in Hell, and say "I am not here, and this is not hot"

[sakabatou]

38. It is hard to understand...

the perspective since I'm not a gentile.

[Xipe Totec]

64. Would you care to elaborate?

:think:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

14. Trust my bent sence of humor, it's a joke. nm

[spanone]

15. God must see these poor fools as pathetic.

[indie_voter]

16. I think it's a joke, a brilliant one at that.

I refuse to entertain any other notion. ;)

[Still_Notafraid]

52. As

Someone who was a southern non denominational at a young age and believed this crap for 12 years of my life going to church 3 times a week twice on Sundays i can assure you that not only did my pastor talk this way, everyone believed this crap.

Catholic's have no idea what these southern Evangelist and neo baptist think or preach,they do believe that this is the end times and anything that goes bad is gods will and anything standing in the way is the devils doing.

I woke up at age 14,but my mother is still one of these zombies who feels this way,trust me it is very real but i do not think it is 46% of this country,but I would bet it is more then we would even like to consider or fathom.


On edit:I do belive this was Satire but there is a very real possabilty it is not.

[maxudargo]

17. Come on people

"that pesky suicide pact called the U.S. Constitution"

How far into his cheek does this guy need to put his tongue?

If you can't see the sarcasm in the letter, maybe YOU are getting a little too carried away with stereotypes. Not that right-wing fundamentalists can't be wacky, but you should be able to distinguish real kookiness from a joke.

[Beaverhausen]

19. yes, I agree it is satire

but will be lost on those who believe in a lot of what he is satirizing.

[girl gone mad]

50. I agree that it is a joke.

But the fact that this many people don't recognize it as a joke is a reflection of the times. Scary, to say the least.

[wellstone_democrat]

23. Sounds like a large portion of my current Bible Belt neighbors

no lie. I've heard everyone of these things stated in detail.
They truly believe that a Bush* win tomorrow will inaugurate a "Christian Government"

If this is a parody, then he is working with real material that others say with all seriousness.

[DELUSIONAL]

25. I've heard people say very similar things

These are the end timers -- and they are hoping that the "final battle" has begun.

This is why I consider folks like this -- cult members.

bushie may be dumb as a stone -- but he has been able to get these zombie idiots into his camp. Or -- these folks want the end times so badly that they are projecting their desire for the "return of Jesus" onto bush. Chimpsters inept bumbling in the middle east has caught the attention of these cult followers and they will cling to someone who can screw things up so badly to cause world wide chaos.

Yes people like this do exist -- I've heard words similar from people -- they will says nearly identical statements and they are not joking.

[Goldmund]

26. It's a troll

[nolabels]

27. But then on the other hand, there is child psychology

Like even the real simple ones such as I will hold my breath to I get my way (some kids go as far as to pass out).

[Hello_Kitty]

29. That looks totally sarcastic to me.

"Finally, we'll have a theocratic state with Jesus Christ as Lord. No more abortion, and adulterers and homosexuals will be stoned to death. So, I am voting for Bush."

"With his administration in charge, I am confident we will soon see apocalyptic destruction."

No way a fundie would make facetious comments like that.

[GettysbergII]

30. The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 and the Dominionists

Don't kid yourself. Militant Christian Fundamentalism poses a definite threat to the Constitution and the American way of life as we know it. Check out the meat of The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 which is a bill currently in Congress. These are some real sick and dangerous puppies.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR03799:@@@L&summ2=m&

Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 - Amends the Federal judicial code to prohibit the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal district courts from exercising jurisdiction over any matter in which relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government or officer of such government by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

Prohibits a court of the United States from relying upon any law, policy, or other action of a foreign state or international organization in interpreting and applying the Constitution, other than the constitutional law and English common law.

Provides that any Federal court decision relating to an issue removed from Federal jurisdiction by this Act is not binding precedent on State courts.

Provides that any Supreme Court justice or Federal court judge who exceeds the jurisdictional limitations of this Act shall be deemed to have committed an offense for which the justice or judge may be removed, and to have violated the standard of good behavior required of Article III judges by the Constitution.




http://www.thementalmilitia.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=251&mode=thread
The Dominionist movement was founded by the R.J. Rushdoony,who also co-founded the Council for National Policy, where many think the real Republican Convention takes place

The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is no joke; it was introduced last month by some of the Bush Regime's most powerful Congressional sycophants. If enacted, it will effectively transform the American republic into a theocracy, where the arbitrary dictates of a "higher
power" -- as interpreted by a judge, policeman, bureaucrat or president -- can override the rule of law.

The Act -- drafted by a minion of television evangelist Pat Robertson -- is the fruit of decades of work by a group of extremists known broadly as "Dominionists." Their openly expressed aim is to establish "biblical rule" over every aspect of society -- placing "the state, the school,
the arts and sciences, law, economics, and every other sphere under Christ the King." Or as Attorney General John Ashcroft -- the nation's chief law enforcement officer -- has often proclaimed: "America has no king but Jesus!"

According to Dominionist literature, "biblical rule" means execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals and other "revelers in licentiousness"; massive tax cuts for the rich (because "wealth is a mark of God's favor"); the elimination of government programs to alleviate poverty and sickness (because these depend o­n "confiscation of
wealth"); and enslavement for debtors. No legal challenges to "God's order" will be allowed. And because this order is divinely ordained, the "elect" can use any means necessary to establish it, including deception, subversion, even violence. As Robertson himself adjures the faithful: "Zealous men force their way in."

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/dominion.htm

There are many negative effects that the teachings of DT are having on evangelical Christianity today. Four of these would be:

(a) Reconstructionists teach that the mission of the church goes beyond the spiritual transformation of individuals, to a mandate to change society, a "moral patriotism," if you will, in opposition to secular humanism. For Christ to be pleased with Christians, thereby, they must become political and social activists. We must change the laws of the land, gear up to elect Christians to office, and generally seek to take dominion over our world and bring it under the Law of Moses. We see the influence of this thinking even in those who may know little about DT -- James Dobson, Larry Burkett, the Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, Promise Keepers, Charles Colson and the Evangelicals and Catholics Together document (ECT), and Operation Rescue, are but a few of the evidences that reconstructionist thinking is beginning to dominate the so-called evangelical world;

(b) Motivation for godly living, based upon the blessed hope -- the return of Christ (Titus 2:16) -- is replaced with the task of restructuring society. This cultural mandate to restructure/restore society is a task that may take thousands of years, even by the DT's own admission (approximately 36,000 years, according to David Chilton);

(c) If we are in the Kingdom of God now, then the Charismatics are correct to teach that health and prosperity is the right of every believer today. This is why "Reconstruction" Calvinists and "Kingdom Now" Charismatics have formed at least a loose unity -- they both have the same world view. They are not looking for Christ to return and set up His Kingdom; they are attempting to set it up for Him; and

(d) A theological anti-Semitism exists in the Dominionist plan to replace of Old Testament Israel with the Church, often called the "New Israel" (i.e., "replacement theology" -- the church replaces the Jews as the new or true Israel, and Israel has no future as a distinct nation within God's plan).

[Catherine Vincent]

31. Check out this LTTE from a bushie:

As a senior citizen over 65, I qualify for the flu shot; but after reading that President (sic) Bush will not get one this year due to the shortage of vaccine and because he doesn't meet the age criteria, I have decided not to get one either. Instead, I want my share to go to him. I love the man, and it is important to keep him as well as possible--Eleanor J. Arnold

--------

I nearly puked when I read that.

[ktowntennesseedem]

32. Where did Richard come up with 46%?

I know plenty of people who think like that. Think we are in the end times and that not only is * a Godly Christian man, but perhaps even an instrument of God to bring about the return of Christ. But they don't number 46% or anything close; they probably imagine they are that numberous, and I'm sure they are convinced the remaining 54% of us are all bound for hell. Even so, they are still quite dangerous in my opinion, because they are so extreme.

HOWEVER...

I believe this LTE is a fake for this reason: no one who truly believes that way would be able to write such a concise letter with so many complete sentences. Must have had one hell of a spell-checker!

[Tansy_Gold]

46. My cousin could easily have written this.

He is a very literate professional engineer, a rabid racist and almost literally a Talibornagain. He is a "minister" in his fundamentalist church in suburban Milwaukee. He pressured his 16-year-old daughter to give her "illegitmate" baby and routinely denies that the child was ever conceived or born; he does not include it in the listing of his grandchildren. Some members of the family wonder if he wouldn't have been happier if he'd been able to stone her to death before she brought such disgrace on him.

Don't underestimate these people, or worse -- dismiss them. They are every bit as dangerous as their counterparts in al-Qaida.

[chimp chump]

33. It's a plant.

Some Democrat wrote it. Good election fun. The apocalyptic fervor he describes probably applies to fewer than 10% of evangelicals. But I really enjoyed the line about "With his administration in charge, I am confident we will soon see apocalyptic destruction."

That was epic.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. The sad thing is, it's nearly impossible to tell

if that's satire or not- because there are plenty of wackjobs who really feel this way.. even if they usually don't lay it out in a LTTE like that.

[chaumont58]

35. Some Bush supporters? How about all!

Being a Bush supporter is not a big sign of lucid thought.

[John_H]

37. Look, if he actually believed this, he'd be too busy fucking his cousin

to write a letter to the editor. This is obviously pretty good satire.

[leftofthedial]

39. it's a joke for sure

I don't know whether it is intentional or not, but it's a joke.

Thqat's what the rabid fundies believe, but 46% is double their actual numbers.

[troublemaker]

40. It's a joke

"pesky suicide pact called the U.S. Constitution"

The "suicide pact" reference is to sophisticated for the context.

[shelley806]

41. Oh God ...

This is precisely why the combination of religion and government does not and cannot work. These freaks are equal to the enemy that we're fighting. The fundamentalists are wacko. Rove takes advantage of this, B* takes advantage of this, neocons take advantage of this...and human beings die for these jerks who are both pro life and pro death. Can't live with that contradiction; nor can God.

[George_S]

42. Even if true, 46% is too high...

... it's really more like 45%.

Kidding. Probably 10% at most who would really want this.

[stevietheman]

43. Clearly sarcasm n/t

[strategery blunder]

44. What the Bible has to say about stuff like this

Jesus answered, "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5

No one knows about that day or hour (of the Rapture), not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

I have had to remind several fundies that trying to openly provoke the Apocalypse through n00king the Middle East is insane, because even the fundiest of Christians cannot know if the Rapture will occur in two seconds or two billion years. Usually, I end up beating my head up against the wall over this. And Bu$h* hasn't said that he IS the Christ yet, but he has come awfully close.:scared:

Edit: I could post some more Scripture, but I think I typed enough to make my point.

[grace0418]

47. It really sounds like satire

but then again, it might be legit knowing the sheep.

[flygal]

48. Parody...

No repug would call the Iraq invasion "a total disaster".

[VOX]

53. There's an English Professor Richard Burt at the U of FL at Gainsville...

And I'm willing to bet that this guy is the author of the LTTE, and that's it's terrific satire.
http://www.english.ufl.edu/faculty/rburt/indexFrame.html
"...received his BA and PhD from the University of California at Berkeley in 1977 and 1984, respectively..."
http://www.english.ufl.edu/imagetext/bios/burt.html
"...In addition to learning more about website design for pedagogical purposes, he is currently working on three books, Rechanneling the Bard: Cinematic Citations of Shakespeare from Bollywood to Hollywood; Ever Afterlives: Fashioning the Renaissance on Film and Video; and Dumb Love: A Loser’s Guide."

[DoYouEverWonder]

56. Check out his home page

I do believe this is the same guy that wrote the LTE, since there is only one Richard Burt in the local phone book.

His website is great. It is totally anti-Bush. What a hoot.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/%7Erburt/

[VOX]

58. Outstanding! This is the guy!!!

Good find, DoYouEverWonder! :toast:

[DoYouEverWonder]

59. Thank you

You were the one that found the original links.

The first one has the link to his home page.

I think I might call this guy back today and tell him I love him.

[chimp chump]

54. Sorry but...

...I've read this again and decided some of you need a humor transplant, possibly one developed with stem cell research.

Since that's not available, I recommend first aid in the form of watching the Daily Show with Jon Stewart every day for at least a year so you learn to recognize Deep Deep Sarcasm when you see it.

Look at it. The man even uses commas sarcasticly to change the obvious meaning of the sentences to a political message: "So, what if no weapons of mass destruction were found?". (And not the obvious defiant "So what if not weapons of...".) And the part following where it's worth it to get nuked if it brings Jesus back or at least rids us of the annoying Constitution?

This is one sarcastic dude.

Come to think of it, this piece could very well have been written for one of the Daily Show sendup pieces on crazed evangelicals and charismatics, a regular Daily Show feature. It's very similar to their reports.

[Dem2theMax]

55. It made me snicker. And think that if the guy doesn't work

for the Onion, he should. Did this really get into the paper? Stupid paper. They fell for it. hahahaha. :evilgrin:

[hadrons]

57. satire or not, there are people who think EXACTLY like that ....

[Dem2theMax]

60. I know. That's the scary part. Heck, every time I read a

freeper post, I have to sit here and wonder HOW in the world they can actually believe what they are saying. It just boggles my mind that people can be THAT brainwashed.

But I really do think the guy in the paper was putting one over ON the paper. He's probably laughing his head off that they printed it. I hope he made some bets with his friends that it would get printed. :) Maybe he made some nice money and he can donate it to the DNC. :bounce:

[npincus]

61. this is SATIRE- and very sharp! Mr. Burt is on OUR side all the way!

[Tesibria]

62. this HAS to be a spoof

[WCGreen]

63. My PT Nurse believes the end times are near and that

Satan is at work in the US as we speak...

She doesn't care if Kerry is elected since she believes that brings the end times nearer....

I told her I have some good news and bad news....

First the Good News, GW might win Ohio...

Bad NEws....

Kerry is going to win the election...

She said she will fly her flag at half mast for his whole term...

I said I always fly my flag at the top of the staff no matter if a republican or democrat sits in the oval office...

I'm an American...

Later I told her she better stay home on November 3rd because Homo's will be out fornicating and converting straight men and abortions will be performed on every street corner.......