Biden on Gore's endorsement of Dean

[Killarney]

I watched the Daily Show last night (the repeat one of the night before) and Sen. Biden was on. They were talking about Gore's endorsement of Dean and Sen. Biden said it was "good for Gore" and Stewart asked why and Biden said--in a half-whisper--the Dean had millions of dollars and Gore wanted some of that money.

What does that mean?

Is a campaign fund transferable from one candidate to another?
If Dean doesn't get the nomination and has millions left over, could he give that money to Gore in 2008 if Gore runs?

I was kind of shocked that Biden would say something like that. If it's true, that's very honest of him, but I don't know how the money works so I don't know if it's true or not.

[patricia92243]

1. Cannot transfer mney from one candidate to another, but can spend money on

political movements - like MoveOn, etc.

[Killarney]

2. So, why would Biden say Gore wanted Dean's money?

I don't get it. I thought it was weird.

[ignatiusr]

4. Well

He probably meant that Gore wanted to tap into the huge fundraising machine Dean had created; if he positions himself next to Dean, then many of Dean's contributors might fall behind him if he ran again in 2008.

That, or it was just a joke. Hard to say.

[blm]

12. I think you're right. Alec Baldwin said that was the inside story on

the Charlie Rose show last week.

[shance]

43. Not everyone is motivated by money like Joe the Ho* is - ESPECIALLY Gore.

That remark revealed Bidens true colors, not to mention his great "loyalty to the party".

Is Biden running for the Zell Miller award these days?

[Buzz Clik]

70. Loyalty to the party?

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Zell Miller, although certainly not a Dem by today's standards, has been true to his ideals for his entire career. Unlike some, he simply refused to change his beliefs to reflect the changing electorate.

Biden and Miller are neither more nor less of a "ho's" than every other elected or appointed political prostitute drawing a paycheck in the Executive and Legislative branches of our federal government.

[lurk_no_more]

23. I think Biden had it backwards

I had read that gore had 8 million left over from his campaign that was his to do with what he wanted, it was speculated that gore would give that money if needed to dean to help him win. Of course doing that would give gore an inside advantage of being part of a dean administration to where a second run at the White house was possible.

Should dean get the nod, is it possible that dean would pick gore for the VP slot? Is gore looking for another #2 spot? Possibly! Could a dean/gore ticket beat a bush/cheney ticket? IMO...No!


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[WI_DEM]

3. Biden

totally turned me off with his strong defense of Bush and the Iraqi resolution. Does anyone really care what Joe Biden thinks?

[molly]

45. Me-me-me! He's my senator and everyone here loves him!

[Cheswick2.0]

47. he is your senator?

I am so sorry. He is a pathetic bitter old hack. Please stop sending him back to the senate.

[Jerseycoa]

63. He was very funny on the show :)

He's got a lot of class and wit, a very relaxed way about him on TV.

[Buzz Clik]

71. Ditto. n/t

[LizW]

5. That's a meme the other campaigns are hoping takes off

that Dean pays for endorsements. There have been a couple of hit-and-run posts here about it.

We get it, the establishment Democrats are still pissed at Gore for going off and endorsing Dean. But pretty freakin' irresponsible of Biden to even joke about cash for endorsements on tv. That's the kind of crap that turns voters off. Way to help the party, Joe. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

6. perhaps Biden is still irritated...

... at Gore. By all analyses, a half-drunk, braindead monkey could have and should have beaten Bush in 2000. Gore never stopped shooting himself in the head, lost the election, and now we're stuck in a shithole. I'm ticked at Gore, too, and his endorsement for Dean is meaningless to me.

[trumad]

7. You know

Just when I thought that my fellow DU'ers were gaining some insight into how election 2000 played out, a post like yours pops up....

OK...Let's do this one more time for the folks who just read headlines..,.

At the beginning of election 2000, Gore started 15 points behind Dubya. At the end of the election 2000, Gore not only eliminated Dubyas point spread but won the General election by 500 thousand votes.

Listen Pal... I'm going to do yo a favor. Here's a link that will set you right,,BUT!!! You have to want to get er right. If you read Mr. Somerby's incomparable archives about election 2000 then you will see the light and be set free from all the media ho spin that currently effects your mind. Please do it for me and your fellow Demcrats.
http://www.dailyhowler.com

[LuminousX]

8. It is difficult moving on to fight another battle when people don't

even realize what happened in the last one.

[Buzz Clik]

10. So let's move on...

I welcome Dean's candidacy. We once more have a Dem who can think on his feet and speak with passion.

[Buzz Clik]

9. I avidly read the Howler..

... and I actually had a pulse in 2000. I'm painfully aware of the way the election played out. I watched with awe as the Bush campaign unfolded and how he was constantly given a pass on every lie that crossed his lips (every time he moved his lips). And, of course, the final blow came with the obvious and documented theft that occurred in Florida. GOP whores on parade.

That doesn't change the fact that Gore is an intellectually challenged goofball who was sitting on the best economy in decades and was opposed by an idiot. As if Gore was Bush's clone, Gore couldn't stray from the script without screwing up. Time and time again he would mix half-truths with nonsensical gaffes; the GOP assassination machine would spin the hell out it and the "leftist" media would print the spin without challenge and without retraction when the truth was revealed.

Gore had a golden opportunity to be President of the United States, and he blew it. He had lots of help, but he can blame only the man in the mirror on this one, pal.

[MGKrebs]

11. Sure, we can blame Gore.

But it is just possible that he did absolutly the BEST that could have been done.

1. He had to walk a fine line between distancing himself from Clintonophobia and claiming the successes of the administration.
2. The press was just in a mood for a less intellectual personality than Clinton.
3. Gore accepted federal matching funds, therefore he had limited money, therefore he didn't campaign in his own state, assuming it was relatively safe. He was rewarded by his own state going to Bush.
4. It would have been hard to anticipate the rampant rigging and criminality that the repubs engaged in to finally steal that election, and even if one DID anticipate it, what could be done except to use the courts, which were rigged also?

[MoonRiver]

15. I fault the Dems in the Senate and House.

That decision by SCOTUS should have generated an uprising. The Black Caucus tried to get one going, but our sheeple leaders just rolled over and kissed His Fraudulence's dirty robes. When they did that the neocon junta knew it could get away with virtually anything, and suffer no consequences. That was the REAL beginning of the end for our democracy.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Great post.

Other than "the REAL beginning of the end for our democracy" part, I totally agree.

[sangha]

64. I recommend "American Dynasty" by Kevin Phillips

He discusses the theft of 2000, and he doesn't spare the Gore campaign for it's mistakes but a careful reading shows that Gore was up against a tidal wave.

[Buzz Clik]

65. Sounds like a good read.

I really haven't wallowed much in the Gore/Bush aftermath for the past couple of years. It would be interesting to revisit the subject with someone with a fresh viewpoint.

[sangha]

69. re: fresh viewpoint

Kevin Phillips is a Republican economist who seems to loathe Bush*. You can't get any "fresher" than that!

[Buzz Clik]

72. LOL!

I've got a gift certificate to Barnes and Noble. Now I know where I'll spend it.

[Buzz Clik]

16. Gore, indeed, did the best he could.

Without question, he had difficulties with the press, Clinton was not an asset, and his finances were an issue.

Nevertheless, Ralph Nader summed it up nicely: When Nader was asked the question if he was deserving of the ire of the Democratic Party for pulling votes away from Gore, Nader replied that if Gore couldn't beat Bush, it was Gore's fault and no one else's.

[Cheswick2.0]

48. Ralph Nader is an asshole

he sums nothing up right

[RetroLounge]

50. Nader is a joke, so screw him.

eom

[trumad]

13. Horsecrap you read the Howler

If you did you wouldn't spout such nonsense. Again...Please explain how Gore coming back from a 15 point spread to winning the election by over 500 thousand votes indicates he blew the election? I always encounter headline readers like yourself and they never really can explain that one.... BTW: I'd like to see a list of your so-called half-truths with nonsensical gaffes..... Come on dude...let's see what you got!

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[Buzz Clik]

42. Please

I won't respond to your claim about the spread in the polls -- the polls are meaningless. Remember when Reagan and Carter were in a dead heat until the last second? Reagan quit campaigning about 24 hours before the polls opened, but Carter kept on hitting key areas up until the last second. Reagan destroyed Carter, as the polls finally started to acknowledge during the last hours.

Your comment about me being a "headline reader" and your ridiculous statement about me not reading the Howler are truly laughable. Tuck your bluster and undeserved arrogance back in your lingerie drawer. If you wish to continue this discussion on a higher plane, I'll be here.

[trumad]

56. A 15 point spread in the polls is not meaningless??? LOL

Meaningless to you because you have no argument of how Gore overcame that deficit...

I'll tell you what... You sya Gore committed numerous Gaffes, hence the reason for his loss.

Name a gaffe that you would like to start with and we'll break it down... Do you want to start with Love Story? How was that a gaffe?

[Buzz Clik]

59. As soon as you're done with this silly dance...

...perhaps you can settle down, read the posts, and address the issues.

At the very least, you might consider reading the post to which you're responding.


"I'll tell you what... You sya Gore committed numerous Gaffes, hence the reason for his loss.

Name a gaffe that you would like to start with and we'll break it down... Do you want to start with Love Story? How was that a gaffe?"

I've done just this several times in this thread. Find it. I won't do it again for you simply because you're too lazy to read the thread.

[trumad]

60. OK...You mentioned Love Story

Where was the Gaffe.?.. Or the Doggie Medicine...Where was the Gaffe?

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[trumad]

75. Bring an answer

You accused Al Gore of a Gaffes and then you use false examples to booster your case... You can't so you call me a troll? A er troll who's been a member of DU for the since 2001.

Face it... You brought your False smack to this debate and you got slapped down with it. Slam Dunk Pal...and welcome to DU!

[elcondor]

18. "Intellectually challenged goofball?!"

I've read a lot of insults and criticisms about Gore, but that's one I have yet to come across. Frankly, it's laughable to think he's "intellectually challenged."

I, too, would like to see some examples of his "half-truths."

[Buzz Clik]

21. Good gawd.

You people post here too much. With no dissenting opinions you get the impression that every thump of the Dem dogma drum is the thunder of truth.

Here's one that was overplayed but on the money: "Every night I would hear this song sung to me as I went to sleep, 'Look for the union label...'" Remember that one? The only place Gore heard that was on television when his parents were no longer singing him to sleep. Not a lie, just a gaffe. But, considering that he was already horribly entwined with a ton of others (Love Story, Love Canal, doggie medications, inventing the Internet), he didn't need another.

Did you ever notice how pathetic Gore was at defending himself on these issues? In one of the debates, Shrub actually repeated the moronic statement, "Well, you invented the Internet, ..." and Gore said nothing.

[trumad]

24. Ya see..I knew you didn't read the howler

because if you did you would know how to use the search engine on the Howler...

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h100600_1.shtml

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh092403.shtml

Dude...You're shooting yourself in the foot and I'm seriously gonna kick your butt with this debate.

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[trumad]

35. LOL...You clearly stated that this was a gaffe on Gores part

Your quote from above....

"Every night I would hear this song sung to me as I went to sleep, 'Look for the union label...'" Remember that one? The only place Gore heard that was on television when his parents were no longer singing him to sleep. Not a lie, just a gaffe.

So please don't offer excuses for your lack of knowledge on this!

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[trumad]

44. Sorry Pal....

You don't get off that easy... You brought up the Gore er gaffe and I simply slapped it down with Somerby.... It wasn't Gores spin meisters who said it was a joke...It was a joke.... BTW: Your original post about Gores Gaffes indicated that he had many... I asked you to provide them and you have not except for the Union thing that wasn't a gaffe.

So you see.....You're dead wrong...BUT...you won't admit it because the media has imbedded your mind so much that you're stuck in a rut. Get out of it man and seek the truth.

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[trumad]

54. You're a pretender dude and you cant get out of the pretender mode

You keep flogging alleged Gore Gaffes even though they are clearly debunked. You pretend that you're saying Gores not a liar but then you keep saying he embellishes the truth....

I'll do it again for you with the help of Bob Somerby... here are the links that shoots down your crap... You won't read them but I'm hoping others will just to show them that you're a phony....

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h100900_1.shtml

http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&cof=AWFID%3Ac32a032061318778%3BAH%3Acenter%3B&domains=dailyhowler.com&q=+Love+Story&btnG=Google+Search&sitesearch=dailyhowler.com

http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&cof=AWFID%3Ac32a032061318778%3BAH%3Acenter%3B&domains=dailyhowler.com&q=dog+medicine&btnG=Google+Search&sitesearch=dailyhowler.com

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[lurk_no_more]

27. I had forgot about the doggie medications

That was pathetic.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[1monster]

28. The union lable song "gaffe" was a joke and his audience knew that...

so did the GOP machine, but that didn't stop them from distorting it as a lie... Love Canal and Love Story were also distortions...

The Love Canal story was thouroghly distorted. Al Gore NEVER said that he was the one who discovered the Love Canal story. He was telling about a letter from a student that pointed out another pollution horror story and said that he started looking around for other such incidences and Love Canal was mentioned as an example.

Erich Segal, the AUTHOR of LOVE STORY came out and said that, yes Al Gore WAS one of the models for Oliver.

Do your reserch. You've bought the distortion factor. Now find out the truth..

[Buzz Clik]

31. Tell me where I said Gore lied about Love Story...

Read the thread before you post.

[1monster]

26. Actually... Gore did not mix truths and half truths and make all of those

gaffes that the media was disseminating. Gore made statements that were factually true, although maybe his syntax was sightly off. The GOP campaign branch took everything he said, edited it, added and subtracted words, completely distorting what was said and then released the changed quotes to the media.

Gore's main problem was that he did not seem to understand (even after eight years of what was done to Clinton) just how vicious the GOP machine and the media were going to be. He did not have an effective counter action for the distortions.

Even so, he won the election both by popular vote and by legitimate Electoral Votes. The only vote count he lost was in the Supreme Court.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

61. The media (Liberal & Conserv.) hated Gore & his personality. He didn't

bother courting them - Bush did. That's a big reason Bush got the "kid gloves" treatment and Gore got "gored."

[Buzz Clik]

67. I seriously doubt that even Gore believes that.

Gore has the maturity to reflect on his campaign and identify numerous ways in which he could have made positive changes.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. Could have? Should have? He DID beat Junior

Granted, he could have done better, but let's not legitimize the lies of the Florida coup.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Yeah, he got more votes...

... and Florida was stolen, and the conservative whores on the Supreme Court were appalling. But the Chimpster is the guy with the three-piece suit, the presidential seal, and struts around to "Hail to the Chief", not Gore.

[Bucky]

25. "a half-drunk, braindead monkey could have and should have beaten Bush"

Heh. A half-drunk, braindead monkey beat Gore instead.

[trumad]

29. a half-drunk, braindead monkey would post something like this

Gore won!

[Buzz Clik]

32. I agree. n/t

[Terwilliger]

41. I think Gore lost because of people like Biden

and their attitude...don't blame Gore's political decisions in 2000 on Gore...I think he was told what he had to do. That's not flattering to Gore, but that doesn't necessarily make him responsible either.

[onecitizen]

53. uhhhh, Gore won............

and Biden says stupid things all the time.

[Buzz Clik]

57. Brilliant!

If Gore won, why is he hangin' out instead of attending state dinners, signing bills, addressing Congress -- you know, the stuff the President of the United States does? We're all pissed off about the way it turned out; but, face it: HE LOST!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Me on Biden's endorsement of Bush's war.

Biden didn't "whisper" his support, he voted for it.

[dfong63]

33. Joe Biden, a Bush-enabling asshole thru and thru

[Buzz Clik]

68. Interesting.

I think you'd have a difficult time drawing a distinction between Biden's enabling of Bush and 99% of our other Dem elected officials.

[shivaji]

34. Calling all Gore supporters.........

Please stop wasting energy whinning about 2000 Florida disaster,
and go work for the Dean campaign. If Dean wins, it will enhance
Gore's stock immensely for a future run.

I also think it is unproductive to delude ourselves into thinking
Gore won in Florida. The sooner we face the reality, the sooner we
will channel our energy into productive thoughts. Every detailed
rehash of the Florida votes by a bevy of national newspapers and
other media reached the same conclusion...no matter which method
was used for recount, Gore would have lost, albeit by less than a
thousand votes. So grt over it, forget it, bury it, and

GO WORK FOR THE DEAN CAMPAIGN.....that will be more productive.

[trumad]

36. Are you serious with this post....???

The Newspapers who did the research on this clearly states that Gore would have won and by a large margin. And no.... I will never waste energy defending election 2000 against the few lazy knuckleheads who say get over it!

[jpgray]

37. Was it a joke? The Daily Show isn't exactly the most serious forum

Were they kidding around or was it serious? It does seem like an odd thing to say.

[Buzz Clik]

40. Biden was clearly annoyed with Gore.

However, I didn't hear him say that he wanted some of Dean's campaign money. I watched the interview the next night as well (repeated on Comedy Central at 7 pm EST) -- still didn't hear it. If Biden was truly whispering, I guess I wouldn't have heard it.

Stewart was playing with Biden the whole time. My opinion is that less than half the things said were even semi-serious. However, Biden's annoyance with Gore was clear.

[Terwilliger]

39. It's called "character assassination"

and, apparently, I can't say what I think about that because I got a message pulled yesterday

[Cheswick2.0]

46. Joe Biden is bitter because no one wants him to run

He represents the worst of the democratic party.

[stickdog]

49. Biden is now a Bi-Dem.

He swings both ways.

[John_H]

52. What Biden was saying was:

that Gore, like so many other dems, thinks Dean will lose soundly to the Chimp and that Gore, as payback, will demand Dean's organization when he runs in 08.

[Buzz Clik]

58. ???

:wtf:

[trumad]

62. And that's why Joe Biden is an idiot!

[w4rma]

73. Because Biden is in it for the money, he thinks everyone else is too? (nt)

[Clark4VotingRights]

74. Seriously? I didn't hear that part at all. I heard

the "it's good for Gore" crack, but no more.

[flaminbats]

76. Biden meant backing Dean would allow Gore to pickup the same contributers.

At the same time this might help Gore to win over some of these same primary voters.

My guess is that Biden will ultimately endorse shrub this summer, regardless of who we nominate. :smoke:

[Darth_Ole]

77. How surprising!

Right before Iowa during a tight race, and Dean is getting LIED about again.

First, it was all the he-said he-said crap about Clark being veep. Then it's about whether it was whether Carter wanted Dean to go to Georgia or not, then it was about the fact that Judith isn't campaigning. Now we have DEMOCRATS saying that Dean is bribing top-tier politicians for endorsements. It's disgusting... And it's sad that Dean is suffering for crap like this.

[flaminbats]

78. Since when has bribery been new to politics?

I'm sure Clark is the master when you look at his fine list of endorsements..Sanford Bishop, Gene Taylor, Congressman Jim Matheson (D-UT), former U.S. Commerce Secretary Mickey Cantor, and U.S. Senator Max Baucas.

One man's bribery is another man's promise.