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March of Time Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:10 PM
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Are there any good cabinet posts for Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel?
I'm sure one of them could be the William Cohen of the Kerry administration.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:11 PM
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1. I would steer clear of Chuck Hagel, personally. n/t
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:13 PM
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2. No, we should not give an inch
we can't afford to right off the bat. There will be time for that later. Right now we have to start the investigations.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:15 PM
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3. They are Repugs...
... so the answer should be NO.

We've tried this game with the pukes before, it never works. I hope Kerry is smart enough to not waste more time with that nonsense.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:15 PM
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4. I don't think so
The Dems *must* put their own in State and Defense this year. They cannot cede these issues to Republicans. And I don't see these two fitting in anywhere else.

However, there are lots of ways to give them prestige in the senate and I hope the leadership is smart enough to do that.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:19 PM
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5. No we give them absolutely
no quarter.
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March of Time Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:20 PM
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6. Why?
If they showed a willingess to occasionally put * in his place, why should we treat them as though they were a Brownback, a Hatch, or a Santorum?
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exliontamer Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:21 PM
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7. I think Lugar would be fine in some foreign policy post
I know that it's easy to say "screw 'em", but wouldn't it be cool for Kerry to appoint one or two decent Repubs who are NOT named "McCain" and "Powell" just to give a great big "fuck you" to those two rats?

Lugar has been quietly disgusted with everything Bush has done in terms of foriegn policy. I would not mind seeing Kerry reach across the aisle and offer to bring him onboard.

The flipside of that is that I want to see McCain, Powell and Guliani broken and left in ditches.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:30 PM
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10. I think at some point we may be able to be inclusive,
but the time is not now. Have any of these people even put forth the idea of investigating one damn thing that has been happening in the four years this monster has been in power? No, for the most part they have not. They cover for him just as much as the right wing of the party. For as much as Hagel and Lugar have complained, you don't see any real action taken. Look at McCain, he practically kisses W's ass. When Kerry is elected, we have to send this type of goverment back to the 15th century where it belongs, and we don't have time to make nice right now. We have to expose these criminals for the crooks they are.
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chimp chump Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:25 PM
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8. unlikely
No reason for either of them to serve with Kerry. Lugar isn't dynamic enough as a Senate leader. Hagel has a little more on the ball but has aspirations toward running for president or securing a VP nomination in '08. Or just being the next McCain.

Kerry will pick Democrats for his top cabinet positions.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:31 PM
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11. I disagree...
I think Kerry will pick the best person for the job, regardless of party affiliation.

He has something that Bush lacks.... Integrity.


Just so happens that most of the qualified people are Democrats.... ;-)

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chimp chump Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:36 AM
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27. well...
...you may have a point. But it would be hard to find anyone who would receive such strong bipartisan support for S.o.S as Colin Powell did. And even among Democrats (though not here at D.U.), Powell still has considerable popularity.

Trying to retain Powell as S.o.S would be Kerry's smartest move but there are too many (Berger, Holbrook) who aspire to the job and too many Democrats who would scream bloody murder if Kerry tried to appoint him. I tend to doubt Powell would serve anyway but, as an old Pentagon hand accustomed to working for whichever party was in power, Powell might be flexible enough to work in a Kerry cabinet to pursue the foreign policy goals he's pursued to date.

I simply can't imagine any other Republicans that Kerry would even consider for top cabinet jobs. Maybe someone for Defense but Kerry's got some pretty strong ideas of his own and such presidents rarely appoint strong S.o.D's.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:28 PM
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9. HELL NO
Repuke bastards
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:33 PM
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12. Amen
Just what they are, repuke bastards.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:33 PM
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13. Lugar and Hagel...
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 10:35 PM by Peachhead22
Maybe Lugar for head of the CIA or FBI (and/or Intelligence Czar). Just to be inclusive. Plus, Porter Goss needs to get fired Jan 21st.

I don't want a Pub for SecDef, it sends the message that Dems aren't good enough on that.

Hagel, some largely ceremonial post like Sec of Transportation. I don't trust Hagel. Out of the Senate and "promoted" to a place he can't do much harm.



P.S.--Hillary for A.G. Wouldn't the Pubs have a friggen cow or what? :)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:34 PM
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14. Hagel maybe, but I would prefer Dems only in a 1st term.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:37 PM
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15. I agree, it would be a mistake to give any republican
a post of power for at least a few years. We have too many investigations to start. We show them what they showed us. For too many years we have rolled over and have been the nice guy, NOT ANY MORE!!!
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:41 PM
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18. Fine, those of you who want to put a republican in some
type of "power" position, find a spot a democrat is holding right now and fill it in with a republican. Can't find any spots? Didn't think so.
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exliontamer Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:45 PM
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20. Cool! An eye for an eye...
Makes the whole world blind
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:50 PM
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22. If this is sarcasm, it's lost on me. I'm way too bitter this
year. I've got flesh and blood at stake.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:41 PM
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16. Yeah...soon as they register Democratic Party
:)
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:41 PM
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17. Hagel was the owner of the voting equipment
that got him elected. I don't believe he needs to be a part of the new administration. We need honesty back in the WH.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:44 PM
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19. per Lugar... two things:
1) while his talk is good - both under Reagan and now under bush2, in the end he always caves and votes along with the radical right. Why would we suggest that his mind and talk would win out over his actual actions, such that he would do a fair job in a post? {this is said as a hoosier and long time Lugar observer}

2) wait until we see who wins the governor post in Indiana. If Kernan wins (dem) then we might warm to the idea - as at least for a little while there would be a dem appointed senator (Mayor Peterson of Indianapolis, perhaps? former state house majority leader and now Mayor of Bloomington Kruzan?? If we are to take a risk on Lugar, we might as well pick up (at least until a special election) a senate seat...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:46 PM
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21. Um Ambassadorships to very tiny countries in the middle of the Arctic?
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johnkerryyip145 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:53 PM
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23. It's Imperative We Show That We Are BETTER Than Them...
...and make some concessions, show we are willing to work with each other to HEAL the nation. Lincoln-esque. If we don't, Kerry will be in the same position W is right now in 4 years.

Besides, by that point, we'll control the Supreme Court 6-3, at least. With our man Al Gore as Chief Justice!
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:10 PM
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25. Bullshit, it's imperative that we don't give them
a freaking inch. I already know we are better than they are.
We've played that game for way too long. Just by the way the Dems will govern will show everything we need to show about who is better.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:01 PM
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24. No!
They were lock stepping GOPer rovebots until the ship started to sink 6 months ago!
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:16 PM
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26. Anybody else get the feeling some games are being
played here? I'm through with this thread. Pull the big D lever tomorrow and vote this unelected viper out.
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