Bin Laden OCTOBER SURPRISE hits

[SoCalDemocrat]

This can't be credible. Karl Rove must be laughing his ass off right now. Can someone debunk this?

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Now we know why ABC wanted to sit on this tape, UBL says he'll monitor the electon results closely and spare the states that vote Kerry? Yes, Senator, you have been endorsed by America's public enemy number one.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm

MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES

November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry.

MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us."

The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: "Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president.

Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term "ay-wilaya" to refer to a "state" in that sentence.

That term "specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee," Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a "country" he would have used the Arabic word "dawla."

MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word "ay-wilaya" was meant as a "warning to every U.S state separately."

"It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy," the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation.

[Free2BMe]

1. yea, sure, tell that to we NY staters...we remember 2001...no spared.

[Maple]

2. Sure...one MEMRI debunk coming up

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

[RafterMan]

3. Why would Rove care?

I see no political advantage in this idea any more than in the tape itself.

Hope it's true though (ducks).

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. Hey

I'm a dem living in a state that is red (for now).

[RafterMan]

19. Hey

I'm in NYC. We've had our turn.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

20. Geez that's awful to say

I wouldn't wish what happened to you guys on anyone.

Thanks a lot.

[KC21304]

14. I don't think that is the right translation

but let them peddle it. It will not hurt Kerry at this point and probably will hurt Bush. Some people may vote against Bush if they think they will be spared.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. This is the NY Post writing this

The same paper that predicted Kerry would pick Gephart as his running mate. I wouldn't take them too seriously.

[flowomo]

5. well, this came out this morning... and if it's having an effect...

it sure is a quiet one.

[Gman]

6. Rove has gotten the raw end of the deal he cut with OBL

I have no doubt whatsoever that Rove/Bush cut some kind of deal with OBL to get this video. They made some kind of concession to him to get the video done. However, this whole story has been a complete bust. People voting for Kerry have already decided they can trust him with national security and OBL or Karl Rove won't change that.

Rove and Bush now owe OBL for whatever deal they cut to get this video done and they got nothing out of it whatsoever.

[libhill]

15. Amen to that

But I wonder - what kind of deal did they cut? Never mind me, though - I'm paranoid and I wouldn't trust those two dickwads any further than I can spit on a windy day.

[SoCalDemocrat]

7. Here is some better details

The right wing sites are spinning this into a threat against voters who would vote for Bush. It's the worst crap I've ever seen. No doubt that the white house took steps to have this filth aired right before the election.

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WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden injected himself into the final days of the U.S. presidential campaign, warning in a videotape aired yesterday that American voters will be held accountable for electing any president who seeks to destroy al-Qaida and persecutes Muslims.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida," bin Laden said, looking thinner but healthier than in previous tapes and speaking in a calm voice. "Your security is in your own hands."

Bin Laden, in his first videotaped address since December 2001, for the first time claimed responsibility for ordering the Sept. 11 attacks. He also ridiculed President Bush and Bush's father.

[exliontamer]

17. They can spin, but they can't hide

If this is the best Gillespie could do, they should ask for their money back.

[Sinistrous]

8. Yeah, sure it means the "red" states".

Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. can do some really serious "toying" with OBL's security.

ps. (Give me a break.)

pps. MEMRI is not exactly a beacon of objectivity.

[AlCzervik]

9. I'm pretty sure it was debunked on countdown by Keith olbermann

he said it was translated wrong.

[susanna]

21. Per Olbermann...

According to the language expert they consulted, the term that was used is translated to mean a nation-state in "high Arabic" (what OBL speaks). In other Arabic dialects, the word can mean state-within-a-state. So it's anyone's guess, but I smell desperation here. Big time.

[exliontamer]

10. (yawn) Limbaugh was pushing this story all day

Didn't work.

[BurtWorm]

11. All Right! New York is Safe!

:eyes:

[stepnw1f]

12. Sounds Like Dumbya Got Punked!

I've seen a couple cons and this feels like a a thumb sucka. How's Rove's ego these days? All the cons get caught serving each other in Broad daylight. I love it!!!

[AndyTiedye]

16. Yes, but CHENEY Will Attack the Blue States

which is scarier, a few box cutters, or :nuke::nuke:

[Elidor]

18. It's pretty sad, really - Rove goes into election day with nothing but his

Dick in his hands.


"And it's about THIS big."

[troublemaker]

22. Flatly debunked by MSNBC's translator earlier tonight

All this analysis is crap because Bin Laden speaks what it known as "fine Arabic" and ay-wilaya means nation in fine Arabic.

[txindy]

23. It is 'state' as in 'Nation State' not as in the '50 states'

Meaning, according to OBL's definition, the USA is one Nation State.
As if OBL cares about attacking on a state-by-state basis. :eyes:

[SoCalDemocrat]

24. We were scammed

I just read the entire english transcript of Bin Ladens tape.

We got scammed. Bin Laden hammered Bush but they edited it out.

http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. Who's "we"?

[NightOwwl]

25. Al-Jazeera has the entire transcript....

no wonder White House didn't want it released until thay had a chance to get their grubby fingers on it.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

[txindy]

26. Exactly right. Pretty d*amning transcript when unedited, isn't it?

[NightOwwl]

27. Once again...

Bush puts our lives on the line to protect his sorry ass.

[barb162]

28. I thought when bin Laden talked about shrub reading the

book about the pet goat on the morning of 9/11 giving him 20 more minutes to do their dirty work was an extremely effective comment about shrub's great military leadership/ protection of our country.

[Sara Beverley]

29. Hey, if I'm a state, I'm a believer.

I still see visions of 9/11 in some dreams.

[Joe Turner]

31. The "states" UBL was referring to is "Nation States"

NOT individual U.S. States. But of course Rove in a desparate, last minute dirty tricks appeal to the Zombies of the Repuke party knowing this, spins it as a threats to American States. It's beyond despicable but par for the course for this Creep of Creeps.

It ain't workin this time around.