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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:13 PM
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Exit polls don't show early voting. Fla not really 50-49
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:14 PM
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1. Explain?
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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3. I think what he means is

The polls we see from Florida are not counting early voting results. I don’t know if that’s good or bad
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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11. Its good. The lead is bigger.
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:20 PM
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20. OH....I think he's wrong though...I read the exit polling methods...
at that main exit poller...the one doing it for all the networks.

They call a percentage of the absentee voters.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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4. one in five have already voted in Fla.
Early returns favor Kerry, so the early lead may be higher. Though it will probably tighten as people vote after work. It ain't over till it's over. VOTE!
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The Chronicler Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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6. The exit polls don't take into account the people who have been voting in
FL for the past week or so.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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8. Exit Polls only count todays votes
Early voting, which was apparently (according to the polls) was overwhelming for Kerry are not counted. So, theoretically, Kerry is farther ahead than the exit polls show.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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Today, about 70 to 75% of Florida's ballots will be cast.
25 to 30% have been cast already, and most accounts have Kerry leading by about 8 to 10%.

This means that Kerry can actually LOSE today's portion of the voting by a narrow margin and still end-up winning Florida when the early votes are added-in. That's a huge deal.
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fugop Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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10. Early voting
I think Kerry was ahead in early voting, wasn't he? Or was that in just some areas?

Anyway, whatever this exit poll spread is, the message just means that it doesn't include the past two weeks of early voting. They haven't been called. Neither have absentees. This is based only on the people coming out of the polls today. So it could be much bigger for Kerry ... or not. (How's that for decisive?)
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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2. How do you know Mike?
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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5. Exit polls come from voters who voted today.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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7. More info please
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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That's right - not added in those numbers
nor are absentee votes expected to be heavy for Repubs so it is almost impossible to know what really is going on
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:15 PM
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9. So are we better or worse??
Oh lord, the anxiety is starting to kick in.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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13. supposedly early voting in FL heavily favored Kerry
so it looks good.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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15. BETTER
Early voting had Kerry with a 10-point lead from what I heard.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:17 PM
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18. Thanks beaverhausen and trotsky...
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 05:17 PM by tjdee
I hoped that, LOL.
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guntherconcept Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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12. Simple
If (as I suspect) Kerry was kicking Bush's ass during early voting, then expect the 1-point lead in the exit polls to expand when all votes are counted together.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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14. And, as mentioned by another, 50-49 in 2004 is not like 50-49 in 2000
(in raw numbers) given the massive turnout.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 PM
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16. How were early voting totals projected?
were they actual counts or just based on party affiliation?
also, the exit polls have a MARGIN OF ERROR! They are represntative samplings, just like any poll.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:17 PM
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17. Right, it's even better, because Kerry won the early voting!
About 51% Kerry if I recall!
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:18 PM
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19. Exit polls of early voters showed Kerry ahead by large margin.
Don't remember the exact numbers..something like 54-46.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:20 PM
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21. Careful! I also doesn't show absentees
Fla is very heavy with absentees, expected to lean strongly to *. Don't count chickens yet - get out the vote.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:22 PM
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22. Don't forget 4 years ago. Exit polls got it right till Jeb fixed it.
Make sure all the votes are counted.
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:23 PM
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23. YES, THEY DO.......
From http://www.exit-poll.net/faq.html#a13

How do absentee votes affect projections?
In a number of states significant numbers of voters cast their ballots before Election Day. They either cast an absentee ballot or they vote at precincts set-up for voters in the weeks leading up to the election. These absentee/early voters cannot be included in the Election Day. Instead, they are interviewed by telephone shortly before the election. They are asked the same questions as voters interviewed in the exit polls. For the 13 states where absentee voters will be sampled by telephone their results will be combined with those of Election Day voters.

Which states will have absentee voter surveys?
The states where absentee/early voters will be interviewed are: Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington State. Absentee voters in these states made up 13% of the total national vote in the 2000 presidential election. Another 3% of the 2000 total vote was cast absentee in other states in 2000 and where there is no absentee/early voter telephone poll.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:35 PM
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25. I disagree - read this:
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 05:35 PM by MikeG
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:24 PM
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24. isn't that the case for all states?
Early voting here in NC is considered absentee.
So the votes today are not counting the absentee, since they are added later??

is that right?

we had over 1 million i think early statewide. (950,000+ as of friday, saturday was last day of early voting)

dp
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