Is it time for us to split up into 2 or even 3 separate parties?

[ecstatic]

Many of us are moving further to the right, while others are moving further to the left. Some of us are a little bit of both. For instance, I'm socially liberal but fiscally moderate. Then there are those of us who are socially conservative, but fiscally liberal (many blacks fall into this category). We need a resolution. Is it time to split up or should we keep the confusing message in tact?

[ExclamationPoint]

1. WE HAVE TO UNITE!

Do you want us to become weaker because of mildly different beleifs! Come on people, are party MUST be strong!

[LoZoccolo]

2. Knock yourself out, tough guy.

But don't complain when they don't even show pictures of you next to pictures of our guy and the Republican candidate in the election totals. They were cutting Nader a lot of slack this year.

Maybe you could get some advice from Lyndon LaRouche.

[Toucano]

3. Forgive me, but

how exactly do we win by splitting?

[vpigrad]

4. It's a good idea, but...

very hard to do well. If you can attract the smart people to one part y (in other words, the core of the current party) and the middle of the road people to the other, you end-up with 2/3 of the voters. That leaves the repugs with only a 1/3 of the vote, and you with a 2/3 chance of winning. You hope the real party wins most of the elections, but you can also settle for the middle one to win. The odds work in your favor.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Multiple parties forming coalitions.... plus

election reform.

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[LoZoccolo]

6. Yes, look at the success of the coalitions this year.

Say hi to that Cobb guy for me.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. I voted for Kerry and so did a lot of other Greens. THERE

was your coalition.

But you can just bite us for next time, if that's how you feel about it.

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[LoZoccolo]

11. Yes, change your vote because of this one guy on a message board.

I still don't know why the Green Party ran a candidate, or why having a coalition of many parties (risking them all fighting to be the vanguard) is better than a big party. Before you talk about better serving the issues supported by small constituencies, remember that gay and lesbian voters are a small constituency within the party that has the support of almost the whole party.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. I didn't change my vote on YOUR acct. I did it because

I wanted * out and I saw the dem candidate as my only shot under this election system.

As to why two parties is a problem, just go back and look at the the IWR, look at the Patriot ACT. Trouble is a few spineless Dem leaders appeared to hold everyone else down. I say don't put all your eggs in one basket, esp since the one ya got now is so full of holes.

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[bigfry321]

7. It could happen

The only way the Democrats could split is if the Republicans split at the exact same time. There have been suggestions that the Republican party will have a civil war. Frankly, there are two fractured parties in power right now. Unfortunately, the Democrats "appear" more fractured.

8. Unified, but with a new image

the party of the jackass has died,

Let the party of the phoenix rise!



Rise with the phoenix

[American Tragedy]

18. I do prefer that image to the donkey

[TroubleMan]

9. Only if runoff elections were required in ALL elections

or else your fighting against each other.

[Placebo]

12. Don't Even Think About It.

The only way we win is if we stick together.

[Disturbed]

14. Join the Green Party.

Please. ;0)

[Placebo]

22. That makes no sense.

[Nikia]

15. Then each of the parties only gets about 25% of the vote

While the unsplit Republican party gets about half the vote and easily wins. While it is true that there is a couple different type of REpublicans, I don't think that any new split Democratic party would gain more than 10% or so of them. There are already third parties out there for people to join. Don't split the, somewhat strong national Democratic party.

[stuzzy]

23. wrong

there are republicans waiting to be peeled away from the republican party, more than you think. Centrists will have the most success in the future. Clinton was a centrist, look at the early success and continuing popularity of John McCain. The democratic party should be staking it's claim while the republicans have temporarily abandoned it. If we lose some people in the process so be it. There is more to be gained in the long term by having our own centrist candidate in office rather than a centrist republican (I'm betting McCain gets the nod in 2008, and be tough to beat, depends on Bush really and how much his policies hurt the republicans).

just my 2 cents. I voted for Kerry also. I've been in a daze all day.

[American Tragedy]

16. Great idea! Divide the progressive vote into several parts

fighting amongst themselves, while the conservatives unite all of their votes into one massive party that consistently defeats all of them? Oh yes, count me in.

That would be especially interesting at the national level. If the third party candidate somehow garnered enough electoral votes so that nobody received a majority, each state REGARDLESS OF POPULATION OR NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES would send a House delegate to select the president from the three highest. With apparently more than half of the states firmly in the red, would you care to guess how this would generally turn out?

[BUSHOUT]

17. Are you another sleeper troll? n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. What a horrible plan.

What Karl Rove wouldn't give to see that.....

[leftofthedial]

20. parties, hell

I'm ready to split into two or three species

[mzmolly]

21. Yes, then we can re-create Nazi Germany where Hitler was elected with

17% of the vote.

Do you think the REPUBLICANS ARE GONNA SPLIT UP?! EVER?!

Save it.

[stuzzy]

24. yes they will

there is a portion that is fed up with the religous right. With the gay marriage obsession, bush doctrine, and the patriot act.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. A Third Party Always Sinks The One Closest To It...

nt

[Terran]

26. BRILLIANT! You start. n/t

[mmonk]

27. We need to split them up, not us

[Dob Bole]

28. Parties are not ideological...Parties are practical, they exist to win...

elections. The Democratic Party has been a big tent for a long time. We can continue to exist that way.

[brainshrub]

29. It may be time to split. It's not like we can win anyways.

Here's why:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1305507