I Trust JOHN KERRY

[liberalpragmatist]

Look, guys. I realize that people's emotions are running pretty high right now. Of course people are upset. I am too. I expect to get flamed, but I don't care.

John Kerry is an honorable, decent, and great man. I had so much hope in him and all day today I've been thinking about what we've lost - I honestly believe John Kerry is one of the best Presidents the United States will never have. It's horribly disheartening.

Now I see half of DU slandering the guy and turning their back on him? Slandering him so viciously? Attacking him as spineless? You guys, the writing was on the wall. There was mathematically no way for him to reach victory. That was obvious. Now, there may have been some irregularities, but there's no way to prove that.

Do you really think John Kerry gave up lightly? The guy is truly a fighter. He has wanted to be President his whole life! WHY the hell would he give up his lifelong dream unless he absolutely had to?! This man was born to be President. Some sympathy for him please. He's obviously personally devastated. Could you not see the sadness in his demeanor during his concession speech? What would he give up unless he had to?

Some of you guys say he caved in for his own personal gain. Uh - WHAT personal gain? Don't you realize that this was everything Kerry wanted? He's lost the dream of his life. What favors could he possibly be doing to himself?

The man is obviously sad. I'm sure he feels 100 times sadder and more heartbroken then any of us! He did not make this decision lightly, and he's a patriot first and foremost. If there was no mathematical possibility of him winning, why drag this out into endless legal battles over votes that aren't going to affect the outcome?

I for one will always remember John Kerry. Obviously in hindsight some mistakes were made. But the campaign was made in utter good faith. He gave it his all and he did us proud. We made clear progress on important issues like national security - the unfortunate thing was we lost despite that because we didn't foresee the composition of the electorate. That's not Kerry's fault - that's a fault of the left as a whole. Kerry did the best he could. He very nearly beat a sitting president with high personal approval ratings in wartime.

And I'm not going to let my personal heartbreak with this loss turn my back and betray someone who fought so hard and so sincerely for us.

[liberalpragmatist]

1. kicking this

n/t

[candy331]

5. I'm sure you will be around to pick up the pieces in 08 with the

same line for the next loss if this mess of a party continues which I hope will end but not likely since nothing was learned from 2000, 02 and 04.

[seaj11]

2. I agree.

Thank you for that. You said what I was thinking so eloquently.

[mzmolly]

3. I agree, it's disgusting what's been said about him here.

:(

[Stone_Spirits]

4. 100 times sadder and more heartbroken then any of us?

if he was, then he would have been out with us trying to stop this damn war before it started. I didn't see him there though...
Don't tell me about heartbreak!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

88. 100 times smarter too. eom

[andym]

6. i agree too

Kerry lost his life's dream last night. And he knows that the country has chosen a very dangerous path. If he thought he could win Ohio or Florida through the courts he would have fought.

[shawmut]

7. I'm with you

great post.

[Touchdown]

8. I think he's on to something bigger here.

Yes, he knew he couldn't win. He was gracious in his concession, but...

Edwards said "we said we're going to count every vote, and we mean it" before Kerry conceded. They know something.

Both are lawyers, one a prosecutor who's still in the Senate. I just bet their going to take the time and investigate thevoting irregularities, and come up with a <robflorida> patch in the BBVs and go public on the Senate floor.

If you think they don't know about this, then your dreaming. Just because they don't talk about it, doesn't mean they haven't studied it.

Of course I could be wrong, and it could be Skull and Bones. So pick your tin hat.

[Jackpine Radical]

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[Gregory Wonderwheel]

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[wheresthemind]

9. Thank you!!

First all this "Kerry in a landslide" bullshit, now everyone turns their back?

I worked my ass off day in day out for John Kerry since August, can the rest of the landslide folks say they did the same? Don't give Kerry any shit if you didn't do your part.

[union_maid]

10. Thank you

I agree with every word you said.

[TroubleMan]

11. He was supposed to stand up for us like we stood up for him.

Whether or not he would have won after all the votes have been counted is irrelevant. He was supposed to fight for us.

The repugs hit us below the belt, and we didn't fight back.

99% of you said you would never let 2000 happen again....you just did.

Kerry is a decent man....but he didn't have the guts to risk his political career through the gutter for us. I don't blame him really. Most politicians, Dem and repug, care more about getting reselected than they do about standing up for the people they represent.

He's a career politician, a nice guy, and an honorable man.....but he let me down. He wasn't willing to takes risks for us.

[sksoapfan24]

15. I agree with you

Kerry is a man with deep integrity, an honorable man. He is thinking about what is best for the country. He knows even with those votes there is no mathematical way he could win. If he thought there was a way he could win, there is no way he would not pursue that. Think about the kind of fighting spirit you've seen in this man all throughout the campaign. I'm just as disappointed as the rest of you guys but we have to accept this. Kerry ran a great campaign. It's just that this president has everyone scared about terrorism. People are scared to make a change. I just hope that Kerry keeps a high profile in the Senate and if he finds out about problems with voting that he introduces a bill or makes his voice known about it on the Senate floor.

[TroubleMan]

20. But healing and forgiving is not what 's best for this country right now

If we don't put up a fight now....we can just forget it.

They've stolen 3 elections in a row. When is it time to fight?

[phish420]

41. Whats best for the country?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Laying down and giving in to these people who are hijacking the very principles of this country? That's best for the country? Saying every vote will be counted, but conceding FL with over a million votes possibly needing counting? Conceding 11 days before OH is done? Conceding before any fraud allegations could be addressed? Conceding before a single provisional ballot is adjudicated?

Yeah. REAL good for the country.

[Gregory Wonderwheel]

59. The argument to concede is just lame.

What is the rush to concede anyway? Why not wait until the verification even in a couple weeks?

The whole ambience that demands instant gratification should be challenged if nothing else is challenged.

[BeFree]

12. Don't mind the rats jumping ship

It's par for the course. Mostly dilletantes and half-assed, half gassed pissed off little rug rats jumping ship because of a us taking on a little water.

Kerry lost, so far. If he can prove otherwise, he will. For now the best thing he can do is lay low, gather some energy, get the facts all lined up, and come out blasting if he can.

Let the rats jump ship. The water is too deep, they'll come back.

[TroubleMan]

17. Kerry was the "rat who jumped the ship". Not us

I thought the Captain of the ship was supposed to go down with the ship.


Hell....I was still in the galley rowing the motherfucker, when I looked up because the drums stopped. To my suprise the Captain, First Mate, and half the crew were gone.

Fuck it...I'm gonna keep on rowing. Kerry can get back in the boat if he wants to, but I won't trust him as my Captain again.

[BeFree]

26. The ship ran aground

It stopped on the rock of election night. Look, I don't like it one bit, but that's how it goes. It does no good at this point to blame the captain for the BBV wind which blew us onto the rock.

Keep rowing and stay on board. We've got to get the ship back sailing and mutiny ain't gonna cut it. Get rid of the real culprit: the BBV

[TroubleMan]

28. That's the thing....Kerry wouldn't fight the BBV and he had the perfect

opportunity.

Contesting this election could have put the spotlight on the voting problems. Conceeding just swept it under the carpet to be dealt with later.

[BeFree]

33. Fighting BBV

I've been fighting it for two years and all I get is blank stares and disbelief. If you have the secret to beating BBV, I'm dying to hear it....

[TroubleMan]

35. Our big guns like Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, ect have to say something

Don't tell me that they don't know about it!!!!

Why don't they say anything?

[BeFree]

39. If they do

All they will get is blank stares and disbelief. And look like crybabies to boot.

Now, if they can come up with solid proof, they might get a few to believe, but not many. Hell, look at how many think * is honest...

[TroubleMan]

40. Not if they all say it...and there is hard evidence

Just look at Bev's website.

[BeFree]

43. I've been following Bev since day one

And for the most part all she gets is blank stares and disbelief.

As for hard evidence: it is much too soon for any 'hard' evidence in this election, but I think lots will be found, in time.

[TroubleMan]

45. That's because she's not nationally known (yet), we need some big guns

to say it. They can ignore Bev no matter how loud she shouts, and I love her because she keeps shouting despite this.

If all of our big guns would unite on this, we could get something done.

[BeFree]

50. Yer correct

Big guns would help. And yes, we have to kill BBV. I fought it for several hours today, I made some headway, armed with facts from Bev and DU. But mostly just blank stares came my way. But I'll be damned if they ever get me to cast a vote on one of those machines again. In my county, they are doomed, if I have anything to say about it.

[knight_of_the_star]

58. Edwards hasn't for a simple reason

He is a viable choice to run in '08. Him with Wes Clark would be unstoppable, if he gets started NOW then he will be able to beat those Bush bastards four years down the line. He will fight for the next four years alright, and show no mercy in doing so.

[G_j]

18. who was it that jumped ship ?

I'm confused.. <sarcasm>

[phish420]

42. The other half sell out and give in ... happened in the 60's too... nt

[tedzbear]

61. Don't count on it.

eom

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. I don't...but, oh well. He said he'd keep fighting.

:shrug: Conceding is not fighting.

[October]

14. AGREE!!!

[robbedvoter]

16. I'm happy for ya. Have a nice life together.

[KoKo]

19. He seems a very nice man. He gave a thoughtful, insightful Consession

Speech today. But, he's gone...back to the Senate...What do you want us to say?

[Demi_Babe]

21. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

My faith in this party has been restored. I feel exactly the same way and I sit here tonight hoping that Kerry will run again. I came to love and admire that man. How sad for America that it didn't go his/our way!

[JHB]

22. Hello!? Look at the name of the forum!

This is the "Fighting and acrimony" forum!

Y'know, the one made specifically for people who need to do the online equivalent of punching walls, throwing furniture, kicking small animals, and otherwise venting spleen an steam in a rough and nasty manner.

If you don't like what's said here, GO AWAY AND DON'T READ IT FOR A FEW DAYS!

Things will improve later. But the key word there is LATER.

[Moloch]

23. Thank you

That was the best and most thoughtful post I've read all day. There's no reason to kick somebody while they're down or suggesting that he was part of some kind of conspiracy to give * four more years. Kerry gave it all he had to fight for America and America stabbed him in the back.
More people voted for Bush, and that is exactly what they deserve.

[Cleita]

24. I crossed my mind that this was something he had to do

to do something that may save us in the long run. I guess time will tell.

[Tatiana]

25. I should preface this by saying I'm angry and disappointed.

But when did Kerry fight so hard and sincerely for us within the last 4 years or so? He went against his own principles, I'm convinced when he voted for IWR. Edwards, as a conservative, yeah he supported it. But Kerry, in his heart knew it was wrong. Shit, he voted against the Gulf war and we hardly had to pay a cent and had the mother of all coalitions in that war. But yet, now he supports the invasion of Iraq. The man who put his rep on the line and stood up against the people in power, speaking out against the Vietnam war? He didn't support the IWR. It was a political vote, and what we needed from Kerry was courage, not politics.

That's just one example of Kerry fudging. You could never get him to explain clearly why he voted for IWR, and when he tried, it never quite had the ring of truth to it. Hell, Clark did a better job of explaining Kerry's IWR vote than Kerry did. We overlooked the issue in the interest of unity. The rest of the country didn't.

[kiahzero]

48. Voting for IWR does not equal "supporting the invastion of Iraq"

It's not a hard concept to grasp, and yet so many had such difficulty with it.

:shrug:

[Egnever]

65. We overlooked the issue in the interest of unity

You nailed it!

Perfect line describing what happened,

[Joefess]

27. America needed DEAN

I respect Kerry, I'd vote again for no matter what, but... America and the world needed someone with the mindset of Dean. He stuck to Iraq and stuck with accountability and never swayed. Kerry wasn't tough on Iraq till the end. Dean, still today no matter where you see him is on the same track as he was for years.

This election was way bigger then just rooting for a candidate. Now that Nov. 2nd passed, all accountability is lost. The people had their one and only chance to hold this administration accountable for Iraq, no WMD, etc..

I'm fucking bummed out beyond belief because accountability is the true loser of Nov 2nd.

[RadiDem]

38. Yes we did

[Trahurn]

70. What a stupid thing to say

Do you really think for one minute that if John Kerry could not beat Bush someone else could? I do not care who the DNC put up as a candidate the Bush attack machine would have have attempted the same vivisection just as they did Kerry. As my brother has been saying all along the Bush machines mantra has been "Win, no matter what the cost" This election was tampered with beginning with voter intimidation and disenfranchisement to actual total tampering. How many elections in recent history other than 2000 and now 2004 has the exit poll numbers not agreed with final tabulations? It always worked before but never when it involved Bush. You could have put superman on the ballot and we would have had the same outcome. This was a chance to throw Bush out and we had a much more formidable candidate to do the job than was actually necessary. Kerry was awesome. You cannot tell me that had the candidate been Dean the outcome would have been any different.

[gordianot]

29. Ever hear of the Trojan Horse.

Something is going on in Ohio. There is not an official count by the Secretary of State. The concession stalls legal actions for now. I know for a fact there are mad Democrats playing hardball in the backrooms.

They do not need an angry mob getting in the way.

[crickets]

62. It's about time some of the beltway Dems got angry

The concession stalls legal actions for now. I know for a fact there are mad Democrats playing hardball in the backrooms.

I hope like hell you're right, gordianot. If anyone thinks the electronic voting companies are going to settle for anything less than machines in every voting precinct of every state, think again.

As one who has had to vote into the abyss for two years now, with no record for investigating fishy outcomes (Cleland, Barnes) and no chance of recount, I am DAMNED angry. If someone higher up isn't FINALLY going to make a stink, it will be too late, if it isn't already.

And liberalpragmatist, good for you. I want to believe as you do, but the wind got knocked out of me today. I'm going to have to give this some time and see what finally happens before I decide just what I think and what judgement I have of how Kerry has handled this.

[gordianot]

89. From what I hear they want the Republicans to play their hand.

We the mad angry disgusted base need to keep up the pressure on who is left.

We need Democratic Secretaries of State (State level) and Senators (U.S) who will stand behind our (U.S.) Representatives. I want to know why Democratic California is tolerating Arnold, and we have so many Repulicans in State Offices in predominantly Democratic States.

[RareLubbockDem]

30. kick

kick

[LiberteToujours]

31. I completely agree

I don't blame John Kerry. It was right to concede the election. If he hadn't, the whole country would have been pissed off at us and we would have lost anyway. Bush got more votes in Ohio. Period. Until we can admit that to ourselves we can't find out what we did wrong.

[The Flaming Red Head]

80. Kerry has now won the hearts of Republicans everywhere nt

[wicket]

34. AMEN!!!!

Very well said.

John Kerry, if you're out there, I love you!!!!!

:kick:

[leftofthedial]

36. I trust that he is a gutless quitter

who tucked his yellow tail, groveled and begged to be petted by the bushgang instead of fighting this outrage every last step of the way.

Had the situation been reversed, the repukes would have an army of lawyers and brownshirt thugs camped at the Sec'y of State's offices in Columbus and Tallahasee right now screaming "Cheat" on every newscast and at every commercial break on every media outlet in the country. They would have lawsuits from Okeefenokee to Pocatella. They'd fight like wild animals all the way to the Supreme Court and they wouldn't stop screaming "They stole our democracy" until Fat Tony made them shut up.

Instead, your "fighter" rolled over and quit three or four hours into what should have been overtime.

This would have been equivalent to the Red Sox forfeiting Game Four against the Yankees because coming back from three-zero down is a "long shot."

He's a traitor to the millions of us who fought and worked our asses off for him. Maybe the Swift Boat guys were right.

[TroubleMan]

46. EXACTLY!!!

That's exactly how I feel.

[sleipnir]

51. Agreed.

n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

71. Disgusting

Had Kerry brought "an army of lawyers and brownshirt thugs" to contest the results, he would have been destroyed. What the fuck would a futile lawsuit accomplish? You really think it would do any good? Kerry's concession was a brilliant move. I've already spoken to several of my Republican friends who respect his graciousness very much. Most importantly, it isn't legally binding. They are making sure the votes are counted. You should actually listen to what he had to say before shooting off about what a coward Kerry is. If they votes come back and tip the election in his favor, he has the full support of the people since he already showed his graciousness and there will be no question as to the legitimacy of his presidency. However, if he pursued legal action, TONS of people would resent him for it, and there would always be the taint of litigation on his win. There's no way all the Puke voters would ever accept him as a legitimate president.

If you really gave a shit about Kerry, you wouldn't be saying that garbage. I know you're pissed. Me too. But for shit's sake, be pissed at the idiots who voted for Bush. Be pissed at Karl Rove. But to call Kerry a coward is disgusting. If you think he's jsut "rolled over and given up," you're dead wrong. Just because they don't let you in on their meetings doesn't mean that they aren't doing some serious strategizing and either gathering evidence or regrouping and deciding a plan of action to take on the Shrub junta. John Kerry's concession was a political move, and a smart one at that. It is legally worthless and doesn't mean anything, but it has improved people's opinion of him. Except, apparently, liberals who are more willing to crucify their candidate than actually examine why the race ended up being close. You want to blame someone, blame my generation. We only turned out 17%, abysmally low considering all the "rock the vote" campaigning going on. But don't blame John Kerry, who is an honorable man and soldier who knows that a tactical retreat/regroup is much more effective in a battle than a suicide charge.

[bear425]

87. Beautifully said. I agree with your view.

This is still a chess game and concession was a brilliant move. John Kerry has never given up a fight in his life and he is certainly not giving up this one. I hope...

[library_max]

90. They counted the 2000 votes in Florida, eventually.

It showed that Gore won. And nobody gave a damn. Bush was President, case closed. We wondered whether the Bush administration would surrender authority even if Kerry won and the media acknowledged it. You know they're not going to surrender authority now, and the media will see to it that the actual vote counts in Ohio and Florida and wherever else are just an obscure footnote, of purely academic interest, just like they did in 2000.

[DemBones DemBones]

75. I agree. Unless he's got some brilliant chess move up his sleeve.

But I'm guessing all that's up his sleeve is his arm.

All of us who gave him time and money deserved a bit better than an early concession.

[ScreamingMeemie]

82. You said it. I want my money and my time back. I feel badly for

John Edwards, who gave up his Senate seat to team up with a quitter and a complicit part of Insider Washington. :mad:

Hope went down the toilet on Tuesday.

[RadiDem]

37. He betrayed ALL us progressives who holded our noses and supported him

he rolled over like a yellow dog.

[discopants]

44. John Kerry is my hero. I admire and respect him greatly.

Today is so painfully sad. Thank you for this thread!

[Still_Loves_John]

47. Beautiful

America lost an amazing opportunity this election. I really believe that John Kerry would have led the nation into a new era of prosperity and unity, and we blew that because we care more about abortion and gay marriage than we do about what matters.

Today, I'm actually less sad that we'll have another four years of Bush than I am that we will never have John Kerry as our president.

[merh]

49. Thank you for this post! I love John Kerry - I am sad for him and

our nation's loss, he would have made the best president this nation had seen in a long time.

I love you John Kerry! :cry: :loveya: :hug:

[nemo137]

52. Can we please keep Kerry as a major figure in the opposition?

A main spokesman, since he's got statesman points?

[Maiden England]

53. I agree to an extent

but we are choking in a vacuum here, we need direction from our party leaders and there is nothing, just a void right now. We feel abandoned by them.

[Gregory Wonderwheel]

54. The problem is we got the 1969 Kerry in 2004 coothing, not the 1971 Kerry.

Kerry is a patriot first and foremost who forgot what it meant to him to be a patriot in 1971. Otherwise he couldn not have advocated the war in Iraq in 2004 and denied that Iraq is today's Vietnam.

Kerry is a fighter and that is what was his undoing. He came into the Democratic Convention saying "reporting for duty" and bragging about his military proweress. We needed the 1971 peace lover not the 1969 reporting for duty war-monger fighter.

There was was really no way he could win the day he chose Edwards to be his VP running mate, but the so-called "pragmatists" couldn't see that in their self-blinded delusion of appealing to the phantom "center" and "moderate."

Kerry may have been a good decison maker but he was never a good connecter with people and he couldn't think and speak in the simple language of the masses of the fascist population. Bush appealed directly to the fascist character of the "heartland" mentality that wraps itself up in mystical illusions of the land and religious moral values all the while polluting the soil and violating every basic moral ethic. Kerry had no inkling of what he was facing, at least he never spoke to the voters as if he had any understanding.

[Robert Oak]

55. look at his statement in the concession speech

Look People, you could see the heartache, the devestation and the
incredible frustration that he didn't make it.

Say what you will about the campaign not seeing Rove setups, Teresa screwing up, Swift vote vets, creepy bloodthirsty hateful Evangenicals claiming "morality" and on and on.

I personally saw on TV this guy's heart, his emotion and you can tell...
he meant what he said.

Political screwups, all of the rest of it forget it.

He at least is going to be in the Senate and by that alone,
he can still fight for us.

I honestly hope he dusts himself off, gets a little more outspoken
with the truth and a little less safe politically and takes action.

But, no matter what, you have to recognize that emotion, the fighting back the tears, the heartache you could hear in his voice...
and I don't think that was his ambition. I think that was his own grief for the danger America is now in because he lost.

[knight_of_the_star]

56. The man said he would see to it that every vote was counted

The he throws in the towel. At the very least he is a coward in my book and will take four years of exemplary effort to atone for his failures this past day and night, AT LEAST!

[tedzbear]

60. Read this and then tell me to trust him.

http://www.progressive.org/webex04/wx1103a04.html

Kerry is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.

:mad:

[arewenotdemo]

63. Interesting take. I'm curious. Does anyone else here think

that this concession speech may have been given with an eye toward running again?

Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960. I'm thinking Kerry believes that he may get one more chance. The final "prayer" he invoked at the end: "God bless America". He may have come up short in this race, but he's looking for the next starting line, IMO.

[Lorien]

64. He had better not even entertain the idea

he had his chance. Most of us (yes, MOST) were voting against Bush*, not for Kerry. If the next one isn't a charismatic fighter, the left won't have a sliver of hope for survival.

[arewenotdemo]

66. next one is ?

[DemBones DemBones]

76. The Progressive has always been a great magazine.

We first subscribed before Kerry went to Nam and Bush** went AWOL.

EVERYONE AT DU SHOULD READ THIS!!!

[InvisibleTouch]

67. Agree with you totally, liberalpragmatist....

And I told myself hours ago I wouldn't come back to this side of GD because all the Kerry-bashing made me so angry and disgusted. But I'm glad I looked in here one more time, if only to find your post.

I didn't see the concession speech. I couldn't make myself watch it, at the time. Now I kinda wish I had. But I did see a partial transcript. And admittedly, I didn't like the call for "unity" either, at first reading; it seemed to be something he was saying because it was the gracious thing to do, not because he would ever support the Shrub's agenda. But upon reading it again, I saw something different. When he said "We are required now to work together for the good of our country. In the days ahead, we must find common cause. We must join in common effort without remorse or recrimination, without anger or rancor" - doesn't it seem like he's talking to us, his supporters - who need to stop laying into each other, find our common cause, and work together - to drive the rethugs to final and irrevocable defeat? Maybe he "can't say that" straight out, and still have a chance of working for us in the senate. But that's what I'm reading between the lines.

Nothing and nobody will ever convince me he didn't do everything that could have been done. The election was stolen, and he knows it; he also knows he can't prove it, and would be made to look like a paranoid loon. And how do you think that feels? I know I wouldn't have the grace and dignity that he's shown, if I were in his place. Nothing but respect and admiration for John Kerry from me. And nothing but loathing for the true perpetrators of this crime.

[liberalpragmatist]

69. You should watch it

There's a link on MSNBC.com. Go to video.

I'll tell ya, I'm a guy and I felt my eyes well up. This man would make a fantastic president in every way. We're obviously all devastated. But I can't imagine how he and his family must feel. My thoughts are with him.

[Bongo Prophet]

77. Agreed. I normally don't indulge in much in-group Acrimony ...

but I must pile in like a damn western bar fight.
Got your back John!
(blocks ppunch)
More battles ahead!
Let's weaken ourselves in self-indulgent recriminations!
(Chandelier crash)
Hey! Is that Elizabeth Edwards! HI!
(bottle breaks over someone's head)

As to Summer soldiers turning on their own...
AAAURGH(throws chair)
Shoulda been Dean! Shoulda done that! (clunk)

The freeps are enjoying this, perhaps. And getting a bit aroused with all the loving violence, Fight club lovenest. We know they love THAT...

[norml]

68. Very well said. I agree.

Shouldn't this be in the positive forum? I guess it does deal with some of the negativity.

[Zhade]

72. A fighter, by definition, fights. Kerry failed to do so.

There is no reasonable excuse for quitting before ensuring all citizens' votes were counted.

Some call that an impossibly high standard. I call it justice.

[Robeson]

74. And I say, you're right.

[Robeson]

73. Listen to Mike Malloy's plea, and you may think different

[truthisfreedom]

78. kerry gave up because he's skull and bones and sworn to support bush.

and that's that. fuck us.

[The Flaming Red Head]

79. He didn't look at all upset about it.

He thinks, "Ah well, so I didn't get the presidency, shrug." Then he jumps in his limo and heads back to his rich house and his rich wife and his elitist lifestyle. No big deal for him.

[Meshuga]

86. Thanks for the post

and I agree 100%!

[Justice]

81. Thank you - great thoughts

[independentpiney]

83. "one of the best Presidents the United States will never have"

That sums it up. This country lost a great opportunity.

[Mend]

84. Michael Moore and John Kerry

I hope Michael makes a movie with Senator Kerry about this election and lets it all out. I think there is a lot of evil that needs to be revealed.

[jhain]

85. I trust kerry- For those who voted Bush:

You Knew
-2004


You knew.
You knew Sadam did not attack us.
You knew there were no weapons of mass destruction
You knew civilian deaths had topped 100,000.
You knew Bin Laden was waiting.
You knew.

You knew.
You knew this war was illegal.
You knew you would now hold the responsibility
For every single young American who is blown to
Smithereens in Iraq
From this day forward.

You knew.

-anon

Last Update: Thursday, November 4, 2004. 0:38am (AEDT)
US soldier killed in Iraq roadside bomb attack

One US soldier was killed and another wounded when a roadside bomb hit an army patrol south-east of Baghdad , the military said.

"A 1st Infantry Division soldier was killed and one injured after their combat patrol was struck by an improvised explosive device near Salman Pak at about 7:12 am (local time)," it said in a statement.

-AFP