A message to DU from Frederick Douglas

[H2O Man]

"Those who profess to favor freedom
and yet deprecate agitation
are men who want crops without
plowing up the ground.

They want rain without thunder and lightening
They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters.

This struggle may be a moral one;
or it may be a physical one;
or it may be both moral and physical;
but it must be a struggle.
Power concedes nothing without a demand.

It never did, and it never will.

Find out just what people will submit to,
and you have found out the exact amount of injustice
and wrong that will be imposed upon them; and
these will continue until they are resisted
with either words or blows, or with both.

The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the
endurance of those whom they oppress."

[Guaranteed]

1. Dammit, I was just about out the door

and on my way to Europe and you tripped me with that.

[TroubleMan]

2. Great words from a great man, now let me boil it down to something I ....

just saw recently:

In the Trinidad-Mayorca fight. Trinidad got away with a few low blows. Mayorca's corner said:

"If he hits you in the nuts, you hit him in the nuts!"

Mayorca didn't.....and he got knocked out.

[Edmond Dantes]

3. Agitation is OK--necessary, in fact.

So long as you don't cross the line and advocate violent overthrow of the government.

[H2O Man]

5. That's right.

In fact, we need to advocate the peaceful use of those tools provided by the US Constitution, and especially the Bill of Rights. We are lucky that we live in a place and time that we can change the system without resorting to any violence whatsoever. Frederick Douglas was actually a peaceful man. I think that his choice of words was made to convey a specific message, not to make a call for violence.

[Edmond Dantes]

4. And, by the way....

whatever happened to the Plamegate?

[H2O Man]

6. The grand jury is still

active in its investigation of the Plame case and related issues.

[Edmond Dantes]

7. Thanks for the update.

I sure hope something comes out of it.

[Pithy Cherub]

8. Agitators Ghandi, MLK, did it with the people's support, and

without political support. The shots fired were from those who only understood violence as a means to quell the voices of justice, civil rights and respect. Our voices are our most important tools in the coming: 21st Century Agitate, Agitate, Agitate Era!

[Algorem]

9. John Dean book,"Worse Than Watergate",good source