Who hear can design a vote system that can't cheat.

[dave502d]

This is what we have to work on,The repukes won with our vote's.
It doesn't matter how many people you sign up to vote.The vote system
is taking our vote's.

[leftofthedial]

1. if we don't fix this

we will lose before we ever start in every election from now on

[IronLionZion]

6. Who's going to fix it?

Republicans don't want it to be fixed! It can only be done in states with a Democratic governor and enough Democratic legislators. and it will not be cheap

[leftofthedial]

7. voting process is generally a county or similar entity issue

this must be fought in your neighborhood, your precinct, your county, your township and your state.

All the other bullshit about who runs and how we change leadership or message will be moot as long as the republicans get to count the votes with their cheat machines and there is no paper audit trail.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Not cheap,

but worth it!

I just wanted to say that I honestly agree that we can't win another election on the left until we get verifiable voting. But that is not enough. We have to do more: election holidays, open debates, publicly financed campaigns, ranked voting, proportional representation, reforming the electoral college, and so on. If we do these things we will have a better election system, which will give us better officials, which in turn will give us better policies.

There is SO much we have to do, but it won't start in D.C. It'll start in small towns. It'll begin in states with a Democratic governor and Legislatures. It won't be fast, but it will work.

I want my children to grow up knowing that their vote COUNTS, that they have _some_ affect on the way their nation is run!

So let's fight and take this country back one town and state at a time! http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[RBHam]

2. We do it here in Canada

Paper ballots, manual recounts...

Guess what?

It works!

[BeFree]

15. Too simple

We like things complicated and fancy.

The next time I vote, however, it will be on paper.

[Randi_Listener]

3. Paper ballots

Vote electronic....generates paper ballot....review it...put it in the box....if wrong drop in the shredder and retry

[insanity]

4. The Oregon System

Here in Oregon, the whole state votes absentee. All on paper ballots and easily recounted. Since it is also vote by mail we have pretty good returns (for America).

[Robert Oak]

25. I agree it also stops "12 hours in line"

Oregon is the best, people can take their time, read the proposals in detail, mail it in on their own time, none of this voter repression,
fraudulent evoting systems and on and on.

Oregon is the way to go.

[IronLionZion]

5. have one method of voting for everyone

with a paper trail. if it is electronic, then have a printout. ATMs do this all over the world without any problem and essentially 100% accuracy.

polling places should reflect the local population. There should be enough machines, poll workers, and watchers. There should also be machines that verify the ballots to see if they are marked correctly.

This murders Democrats since lower-income urban areas get the shaft every time. I'm convinced that Kerry won the great state of PA because we have governor Ed Rendell. He lost Ohio and Florida because of Jeb and other Republican assholes who think Democrats shouldn't vote. I've never heard of any other party that stops people from voting!

[dave502d]

8. If we let the Gov, design our vote system it won't work.

This has got to be our greatest cause.If we all work for this it will
help us get over the way we feel.This should be all we work on right
now.Their is alot of talk about BBV now,so people will want to get
on borad to help.

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

9. I am a computer programmer with an idea.

The core of the idea is this:

When you are done at the voting machine, it prints you out a barcode that is perforated down the long way, so there are two matching halves of stripes. You tear it in half and put one half in the reader. You get to keep the other half.

After the election, you can always go down to the courthouse and verify that the official counting machine registers your receipt the way it is supposed to. But that machine is kept in a voting booth, so nobody can force you to show them your vote.

But, and here is the kicker: using cryptography and computer stuff I won't explain, there could be a safe way for people to choose to securely reveal their vote in public.

I am convinced that we can make a system that uses computers and is much better than the existing system. The key, though, is in human factors. The vote itself must be something that the person can verify, as in my perforated-barcode example.

[Lost Creek]

22. nice - but getting the total vote must be open

precinct info must be published

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

24. I couldn't agree more!

I am saying, not only make the total open, and the receipt the same as the vote, make it so you can choose to publish your vote on the precinct report. I would like to be able to openly put my name on "Vote Number 82 at Precinct 16-8203 on 2 Nov 2004", which is about what mine was at my precinct this year.

My idea is:
1. barcode vote prints out of touch-screen
2. receipt is half the bar code you keep, identical stripes to other half, cut long-wise
3. receipt can be read at county clerk's official reading machine

which all help make BBV safe, and I would also like to see:

4. line recording a vote in precinct report can be opened to public view at the county clerk's by a voter appearing at county clerk's (but not by a voter during the vote)

which is a technological spin-off that we can take as an advantage once we fix BBV.

[Eric J in MN]

10. hand-count

Either on the day of the election, or at least afterwards.

[Tweed]

11. Who here can design a thread subject line to be spelled correctly

Sorry, I had to.

[DianeG5385]

14. And we wonder why we lost the red states!

n/t

[Tweed]

21. Are you assuming that people in the red states can't spell

and then accusing this 'elitist' English grammar of mine as being the reason we didn't win in Red States? We are too smart for them because we insist on spelling? You do realize that is amazingly hypocritical thinking.

I was joking and apologized. The poster was probably as pissed as I am and doesn't care about spelling right now.

[DianeG5385]

12. My idea is that your vote is tied to your license or id card

You swipe it, you vote, you can log on to the internet and verify that your vote was recorded as you expected. No one but you knows your vote. No local election official can dis-enfranchise your vote. All you have to be is legally able to cast a vote. ID is for those who don't drive.

[dave502d]

17. Civil War in America-- and the Weapons to be Used to fight it.

Yes George Stephanopolous, there will be a civil war in this country. It will be fought, for now, in the marketplace. The 55 million plus Americans who voted for John Kerry are more organized and energized than ever before. We will not take this corrupt election sitting down. We will do whatever it takes to make US elections honest and trustworthy, whatever it takes. The US and the rest of the world deserve no less.

http://www.opednews.com/kall_110304_civil_war.htm

[Lost Creek]

16. I have a system that is very secure.

The recording of the votes is straight foward.

The issue is validation.

The results of each precinct should be organized as a flat file and made available on the net. A spreadsheet format would be printed and sent to each voter. Voters would match their voting receipt to the data files. At this point anyone can add the precinct totals.

This would assure each voter that his votes are correct and counted.

[Boredtodeath]

18. Here's why "confirm after you leave" will NEVER work

Palm Beach County, Florida 2000.

How many thousands of voters said their ballot was wrong AFTER they cast it?

And what was the reply?

Too bad, so sad - go home now.

Once you walk away from your ballot, it can never be changed.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Where do I get a patent?

[Nikia]

20. The Opti scan seems pretty good

This is how I voted. Connect the arrows with a black pen next to the candidate's name. It is easy to do. You know who you voted for and if you messed up. These can be machine counted, but they can also be manually counted as well.

[insanity]

23. hell

When my school holds elections we use scantron (bubble in) ballots and then we get a report of who won. It is not hard to conduct a fair election, I personally would like to see some barcoded system that was foolproof and had a paper trail.