I Will NEVER Believe Bush Won the Popular Vote

[Jack_Dawson]

There were way, way too many people who hated him this time around. People registered in droves. I can name 20 people who voted Kerry in California. I can name 1 who voted Bush.

I think we have been "had" by widespread voter fraud the likes of which we have never seen. I am apoplectic.

BTW, I have never, ever been a tinfoil hat-type. That has all changed.

[freedomburn]

1. Must see video on electronic voter fraud

http://www.archive.org/stream/VotergateTheMovie/votergatethemovie_256kb.mp4


Votergate the Movie



freedomburns

[DaveofCali]

2. I also am starting to believe that the popular vote was also rigged....

I mean, Democrats only had 5 million more voters to vote while Republicans had 10 million more? We know that Independents were splitting for Kerry, and I remember hearing reports yesterday that turnout in Democratic precincts was much higher than in Republican precincts (as in % up from 2000)

[JI7]

3. look at the "type" of voters he won and you can believe it

Kerry won among Democrats, among moderates, liberals, independents.

Bush won among the conservatives and especially evangelicals. the anti gay people came out to vote for the anti gay measures on the ballots and voted for bush along with it. some voted for kerry also but most went to bush.

[Jack_Dawson]

4. He already had those morons

He'll always have the redneck religious vote, who cares?

Dems had countless new voters this go-round. Where did they all go? Randi Rhodes broke it down very well today. Make the popular vote "win" unsurmountable, and nobody will challenge it.

[JI7]

5. but they turned out to vote in larger numbers than usual

so there were more of them which inflated his numbers. many of them are in solid red states also.

[Jack_Dawson]

11. They always vote!

You don't have to turn them out, cause they're reliable voters. The new voters were running 70-30 Kerry.

[LynnTheDem]

6. bush ONLY WON the SOUTH. He LOST the PV everywhere else.

He did NOT win the PV in the west; he did NOT win the PV in the midwest; he did NOT win the PV in the east.

bush ONLY won the PV in the SOUTH.

As that's where the largest portion of his religious fanatical base is, that isn't any surprise.

bush ONLY WON 51% of the vote.

bush ONLY WON 1% more than half of the 60% of Americans who bothered to vote.

bush DID NOT win a "broad nationwide victory".

[spooky3]

9. You are right with one small exception...the northern Plains states

and mountain states with few people in them also went for Bush.

[shelley806]

7. Thank you for speaking honestly about the elephant in the room...

No way with high voter turnout did B* win the popular vote, just like he didn't have a box on his back (poor tailoring) to cheat in the debates. County by small county, the Diebold cheating machines subtracted votes for Kerry and addeD them for B*. Several threads have supported this, but currently I'm too foggy to understand the math. I'm not too foggy to know that America will NOT support a lying thief and criminal, even when they say they won by some sort of "MORAL VALUE!!!!!"

What is morality?? Are we that F ing stupid Rove pig?:

1,100+ troops dead
100,000 Iraqis civilians dead.
HOW MANY MORE FOR YOUR ... MORALITY UNELECTED CHEATING NON PRESIDENT

[Jack_Dawson]

8. Someone tell me I'm wrong

I'll listen.

[inmania]

10. not a tinfoil hatter either

I just believe in the mathematics of probability. OH in particular - can't bring myself to believe the Bush win there.

[Avalux]

12. I won't ever believe it either

A lot of things just don't add up. My 82 year old grandmother (been around for a lot of elections) says it was stolen. When I asked her election eve how she felt - she told me shrub would win. She said big business wouldn't let him lose.

[CabalPowered]

13. Time to read Alexandra Robbins

http://www.secretsofthetomb.com/

[Jack_Dawson]

14. Why is that?

[CabalPowered]

16. She wrote an excellent book on Skull & Bones

Which describes that 2004 would be the first election with two Bonesman... several years before the primaries even started.

[omnithrope]

15. So... how does the hat fit?

I think we're just a minority, honestly.
A very SLIM minority, but a minority nonetheless.

[sangh0]

17. The "progressive" form of "faith-based" belief

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[Jack_Dawson]

19. So you believe he won fair & square?

Not sure I understand your post. Not sure I understand much of anything at this point.

[sangh0]

26. I believe in the facts and the evidence

and while there is much evidence of a desire to manipulate elections, I have yet to see any clear evidence that votes were stolen by electronic voting machines.

IOW, I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I'm not going to believe that it DID happen until I see some compelling evidence that it actually happened.

The thread starter says s/he doesn't need no steenkin facts. NO matter what, s/he believes it was stolen

[KittyWampus]

21. What Don't You Understand About Paperless E-Voting?

[BeFree]

18. Meet you in Ohio then?

That's where the battle is...Ohio, they have not counted the votes there. Let's be there to make sure all the votes are counted.

[d_b]

20. Nor will I

[Carni]

22. I agree 100%

How the hell did Kerry take the states with the biggest populations (except Texas) but Bush won the popular vote?

I will admit I suck at math...but I just don't see how that is mathmatically possible.

Furthermore Gore was way behind in the polls in 2000 and look how that turned out...What did we lose this time aside from New Mexico?

Furthermore where in TF are the final numbers?

I recall them being easy to find in 2000 but this time around I haven't seen any--what's up with that?

[SoCalDemocrat]

23. Me either

The press is trying to spin and say the turnout was not as high as expected. I don't believe it for a second. We all have eyes. We saw the lines running on for hours and hours. I've seen the polls that show black voters turned out in record numbers.

We need to get ahold of the data and figure out what happened.

[autorank]

24. How can anyone think this was "fair & square"

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[FrenchieCat]

25. That what I believe....

That until we get a handle on the problem of voting machines and the news media, Democrats are just totally f*cked (period)

[autorank]

27. Exactement Frenchie! Tres, tres bien!

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[seabeyond]

28. me either. i am in panhandle of texas

i know how these texans didnt even like him. only the fundamentalist and uneducated texas male that thinks bush represents their maleness. all the conservative business owners ect........and many many other texans think he is a fool. i can see them not voting kerry. but not voting at all

[lakeguy]

29. i won't either...

i have a rather diverse group of friends, 20% of which voted for Bush in 2000. 100% voted for kerry this go around. even some of my rural family switched to kerry, but not completely. i don't know of 1 person (out of at least 100) who switched from gore to bush this go around. it's always possible someone lied about it iguess, but something still stinks here.

[m berst]

30. exactly correct

Your gut feeling, your perceptions, common sense, the Bush administration's track record, and the mounting evidence all represent more than adequate grounds for demanding a full and immediate investigation.

This is not tin foil, this is not a conspiracy theory. We don't need to prove anything, as the burden of proof for this is not on the voters. Democracy cannot function nor survive until and unless the people have full confidence in the integrity of the process. We have no grounds for any confidence at all. Saying that the elections were not rigged is really the wacky unsupportable theory.

Ask yourself this - do you feel confident that this election was fair and honest? No? You have the right to feel that it was, and if you don't feel that it was you have the right to demand that your suspicions are addressed and investigated.

That is the only burden on you as a voter and the only question that you should be asking.