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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:41 AM
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BBV: George Bush's 8 Million New Votes Found – A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 06:01 AM by althecat
George Bush's 8 Million New Votes Found – STATISTICAL ANALYSIS
By Alastair Thompson - Co-Editor http://scoop.co.nz
(exclusively so far.. on DU..)

In an earlier thread I discussed the issue of Where Did * Suddenly Get 8 Million New Voters.... To recap this is important because:

"If you think about it , had the Bush Cheney campaign really signed up 8 million odd new republican voters... wouldn't they have been telling us about it for the past six months. Yelling it on the front page of every newspaper. Somewhere in the election statistics is the answer to a simple question. Where were Bush's 8 million new voters..-. find them and you find where this election was stolen.


WHAT I DID
Noticing that nobody was really taking a lot of notice of my ramblings I decided to take a closer look. The raw data is below and I will post an excel spreadsheet of this online soon so people can fill in the gaps (this is really a bit of a work in progress as is the DU tradition). I picked and chose my states on the basis of where I thought it likely that the votes came from and stopped when I got to 90% of the vote difference this only took 31 states.

FINDINGS

1. Bush did not pick up any vote at all on the West Coast.. in fact he lost ground in both Washington and California. This is interesting as this is arguably where the BBV machine manufacturers have been receiving the most heat. However it could reflect a relative lack of interest in so-called "moral issues" out west.

2. The five states I picked on the basis that they are known to have lots of voting machines (and particularly Diebold machines) had a significantly higher percentage increase in bush voters than average… 25% compared to 17% nationally.

3. Likewise the swing states also had a higher average rate of new bush voters at 21%. This however might be expected as they also had much more active campaigns.

4. Among the 31 states I examined were three big democratic states NY, NJ and IL. I selected them on a hunch because a) they are unlikely to be suspected of being used in a vote rigging exercise, but b) necessary to include if you want to achieve a large across the board popular vote gain that does not look too suspicious. These three states averaged a 21% vote gains for Bush and NJ and NY achieved around 25%. However between them they contributed 1.7 million new bush votes, or nearly 20% of Bush's total vote gain.

5. The remainder of my selection of states is broadly defined as "red states", they averaged 20% in terms of voting gain for bush. Notably both Kansas and Utah achieved % gains for bush below the national average. I am guessing here but I would have thought both states were "moral issue" based voter heavy.

DISTRIBUTION OF THE VOTES

6. In sheer numeric terms Bush gained far and away the most votes in Texas and Florida, 900k and 700k respectively.

7. 60% of all Bushes new votes, 5.2 million votes, were gained in just 11 states…FL, TX. NY, OH, PA, GA, MI, NJ, TN, NC, IL

8. Add in another 8 states and you get to 82% of all bush's new votes or 7.1 million… the states are WI MN IND AL OK KY AZ LOU & MD

9. Put another way 7.1 million votes or 82% of bushes gain was achieved in states totalling 65% of the popular vote. Within these states he achieved an average vote gain of an astonishing 23%.

10. 92% of the vote gain is found in the 31 states I selected data for.

11. The rate of bush vote growth in the remaining 20 states was just 5% on average.

12. In percentage terms Florida and Georgia (both heavily Diebold equipment using states) were the standouts with 32% gains respectively.

13. In percentage terms five other states showed more than 25% growth in the bush vote, in ascending order they were Arizona, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Tennessee. Of these AZ, NM and OK both recently upgraded their machines to new tech machines. NJ and TN also both use computerised voting machines, albeit older models.

CLICK HERE TO SEE WHICH MACHINES ARE USED WHERE – VerifiedVoting.Org's Verifier

FOR RAW DATA... See this thread in Presidential results...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x19390
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:42 AM
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1. population from 2000 to 2004 is not static
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:44 AM
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2. And???
The numbers shown in this analysis could be adjusted for population.. but it wouldn't make any significant change to the findings...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:45 AM
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3. Please keep this kicked... as you can see I have been up crunching...
...these numbers for some time. As you all will be aware things are sinking in these parts fairly quickly.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 05:56 AM
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4. Happy to oblige
Thank you for everything you are doing to save this election.

We still have one more month to right these wrongs, when the electoral college meets.

If in the meantime, we can count all of the votes, we may still change some states from red to blue and change the course of history.

Kerry's concession pissed me off but in the end it may have one of the best things he could have done.

If he fought back, Bush's attack machine would be in high gear. Instead, the cabal is down on the pig farm getting drunk, celebrating their victory. In the meantime, we need to keep pushing and prove that Kerry really did win this thing after all.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:04 AM
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6. Yes... a similar line of thought to that I followed this morning...
That said we need to keep the energy levels up... it is easy for people to feel worn down by all this...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:03 AM
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5. If anyone is looking for something to do.... there is a fun job to do...
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:42 AM
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7. .
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 06:56 AM
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8. No.....what they didn't do was advertise....
...not like our side yelling from the rooftops. Worse, our organizations PAID for new voter registration collections.....Can you say greed?
Let's be real....and learn...we were outplayed.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:11 PM
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20. Ralph Reed quote from years ago was something like this
I travel by night, you'll never know we were there, and when you wake up in the morning you will find the body bags.

In other words, he was describing a stealth campaign strategy that wouldn't alert the opposition to what they were doing so they wouldn't be blocked or stopped.

When our Elections office received almost a thousand new voter applications the last day they could be turned in, and none of the Democrats or progressive groups knew who they were from, I knew we were in trouble. We're a county in the rural South with a population of about 42,000. The only place they could have come from was the fundamentalist churches in the area, and there are hundreds of them. I think they got the voter registrations tolls and matched them against their member lists and signed up everyone who was not registered. One person told me that a friend of hers was asked repeatedly to register to vote but she was not. My friend was alaready registered and the other woman was not.

I think they "traveled by night'. We trumpeted our efforts and they just laughed in the back rooms of their churches.
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:15 AM
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9. Kickity Kickity Kickity! n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:24 AM
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10. COUNT ALL THE VOTES
that all we are asking. COUNT ALL THE VOTES

If George Bush is still the winner then fine. But he is not the next President until all the votes are counted and the Electoral College votes.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:34 AM
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11. KICK.
NICE work!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:09 AM
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12. Sadly, Kerry's win in Volusia County, Florida, weaker than Gore's in 2000.
The Rethugs cynical use of the divisive wedge issues of gay marriage, abortion, and blind patriotism worked for them to drive out their voters.

In 2000, Gore received 97, 313 votes in Volusia County compared to Bush's 82,368--54.1%.

In 2004, Kerry received 114, 986 votes in Volusia County to Bush's 111,263--50.8%.

Note the increase in turnout from 179,681 to 226,249--43,568--an increase of almost of over 20%.




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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:12 AM
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13. Look at Duval County too
the numbers there just don't make sense compared to 2000. Especially, since that was where 19,000 mostly Dems were excluded in 2000.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:24 AM
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15. see my post...
There were a lot of non voting pugs who the Bush team brought to the polls this year...


And Duval County (Jacksonville) is neck country...It's practically southern Georgia...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:00 AM
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16. I do not question results from Volusia County who uses opti-scan, posts
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 10:00 AM by flpoljunkie
the results at the precinct, and then compares these results with the ones sent into the supervisors office via modem.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:21 PM
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26. Really then you shoud read this...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 07:04 PM
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28. Volusia County does not use Diebold machines. From their website...
"When the polls close, the Accu-Vote prints results for posting at the precinct, and results are transmitted by modem to the Volusia County Elections Office. When they are received at the elections office, precinct results are integrated into a county-wide report showing the total of votes cast at all precincts." I know for a fact that this is done.

The printed out results are compared to what the modem has transmitted and they must match. My concern is not opti-scan machines; it is the touchscreen machines used in the three most populous in the state, that are Democratic, of course. They all use touchscreen machines.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:20 AM
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29. Have discovered that Accu Vote is Diebold! Uses GEMS system, too!
Volusia County indicated they compare what is printed out at the precinct with what is sent by modem into the central tabulating computer.

Question: Was this indeed, done for this election?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:59 AM
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30. Disturbing, but Volusia ballots were handcounted. Gore gained net 98 votes
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 11:26 AM by flpoljunkie
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:23 AM
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14. I Live In Seminole County...
Seminole County is a strong Pug countty....

Volusia tilts ever so slightly Dem....

I'm not suprised they found a lot of new Pug voters in Volusia...

Kerry's Hispanic support in 04 was less than Gore's in 00 and Volusia's largest city Deltona is heavily Hispanic... That accounts for your reduced margin...

They kicked our ass...

Next time we will kick theirs....
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:35 PM
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23. Deltona is bigger than Daytona or Ormond Beach?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 02:19 PM
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25. None also that three quarters of the increase is Bush
I am not looking at Kerry votes.. The purpose of this research is to identify where the 8.6 million new bush votes came from... now we know 29k of them came in volusia county.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:09 AM
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17. Ya know...
..... as a practical matter, if the votes are found for Kerry now they won't be worth a bucket of warm spit.

There is simply no way to get this race back now, you can bet on that - because it would involve the courts and they will swing to protect Bush*.

Our shot was lost on Tuesday night. That is my considered opinion :(
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:40 AM
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18. kick
tia
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:56 PM
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19. AM Kick
will keep it going, waiting for your analysis
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:23 PM
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21. git er done.....
Kick...
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psunitlions1 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:32 PM
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22. but what about changed votes
again it only take 1 million changed votes to create a tie to a 2mil lead
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:39 PM
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24. punt ! n/t
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 03:24 PM
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27. This stuff is important! Thanks althecat!
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