Dean says Carter invited him to Georgia. Carter says he did not

[wyldwolf]

The decision to go to Plains wasn’t even a close call, Dean later suggested. “When the former President of the United States asks you to go to church with him on a Sunday before the caucuses, I think you probably take that up.” But that was before a series of polls started showing he was in a much tougher fight in Iowa than previously thought. He now might wish he had spent that time talking to Iowans. The latest Des Moines Register poll has him running third in a four-way race, although all four — Dean, John Kerry, Dick Gephardt and John Edwards — are so closely bunched that the polling margin is statistically insignificant.

The summons from Plains? Carter doesn’t remember it quite that way. “I didn’t invite him, but I’m glad he came,” the former President told reporters shortly before he conducted one of his frequent Sunday School classes at Maranatha Baptist Church. “He called me on the phone and said he’d like to come worship with me. … He called and asked me if it would be all right.”

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,579006,00.html

[MoonRiver]

1. LOL!

nuff said :D

[Clark Can WIN]

127. Perhaps Dean can invite himself to Buckingham palace

and claim the "everything but" endorsement of Queen Elizabeth.:P

[sangha]

2. It's getting predictable

.

[bearfartinthewoods]

116. yes, predicable but no less disgusting

[WI_DEM]

3. yeah,

but the latest Zogby tracking poll has Dean only 1-point behind Kerry and almost where he was when the tracking poll began. Organization and GOTV efforts will be crucial when it is this close.

As for the Carter/Dean who invited who? Dean couldn't have gone unless Carter invited him and certainly he invited him to church.

[LiberalBushFan]

10. so carter is lying? n/m

[Maddy McCall]

38. Surely you knew THAT was coming...

Carter was the epitome of Christ yesterday and today is a liar. :eyes:

If Carter says Dean invited himself, then what more proof is needed?

[Clark Can WIN]

129. No kidding, I want to know

if President Carter is now in on the vast anti-Dean conspiracy as well.

[joefree1]

73. Carter's son says Dean can win in South (endorses Dean)

Well now ...

Carter's son says Dean can win in South (endorses Dean)

By Rebeca Rodriguez
San Antonio Express-News

Web Posted : 01/18/2004 12:00 AM

MOVILLE, Iowa — Chip Carter, son of former President Jimmy Carter, on Saturday defended presidential hopeful Howard Dean's ability to win in the South.
"I certainly believe that Gov. Dean is going to sell in Georgia," the younger Carter said in a telephone conference call with reporters. "There are a whole lot of Georgians that opposed the war."
Dean is meeting with Jimmy Carter this morning at his home in Plains, Ga. He also will attend Sunday school and then have a news conference in front of the Plains Inn & Antique store in downtown Plains.
The meeting is not an endorsement, campaign officials have noted. The former Democratic president also met with retired Gen. Wesley Clark, said Chip Carter, who personally is endorsing Dean and has been campaigning in Iowa for three weeks.
More ...
http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1115456

[Maddy McCall]

148. Dean's son is wrong.

I live in the south, and Dean is pretty much despised here. There may be a few pockets of support among college crowds, but John Q isn't going to vote for Dean against Bush.

To think otherwise is a pipe dream.

[Dookus]

4. I await

the inevitable claims that Jimmy Carter is a notorious liar.

[lancdem]

7. LOL!

[Kahuna]

27. LOL!

:evilgrin:

[Mz Pip]

5. Oh yeah,

and can I invite the press???

MzPip
:dem:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. I'm glad I still have a sense of humor

cuz I think we've learned in this campaign that anger is not the answer! ;)

[Cuban_Liberal]

8. As I read the article...

Dr. Dean asked if he could come visit President Carter, and the President offered him a couple of dates, one of which was today.

Did I get that right?

Seems like a real 'Princess and the Pea' post, IMO.

:eyes:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

19. Time Mag article title: Invitation? What Invitation?

Subtitle: Howard Dean says Jimmy Carter asked him to church in Georgia. Carter doesn't think so



So although it is possible that some other folks will come to the same conclusion as you, I don't think most people will.

[dsc]

9. I watched the announcement

and Carter directly said he had invited Dean earlier but that Dean couldn't come (due to an afternoon debate) and that it had been rescheduled. I heard it with my own ears.

[MoonRiver]

11. I think Carter gave Dean a series of dates after Dean asked to visit.

Here's a quote from the original post's link:

"As for the timing, Carter’s son Chip later told reporters that the former President had also offered Dean dates in February and March. It was Dean — not Carter — who picked the day before the caucuses."

[dsc]

15. There are no more scheduled debates

and the article states dates all after now. Dean would have come down earlier (last week I think) but for that debate. So either Time is wrong or Carter is saying one thing to them and another to the public.

[dsc]

37. Here is what he said

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... January, but there was a conflict with an afternoon debate in Iowa, so we had to postpone it until today.
So it's a very wonderful blessing for me personally, for our church, Maranatha Baptist Church, and for Plains to have this distinguished guest here.

I also want to express my public thanks for Howard Dean because his first entry into politics was to help lead my campaign for president in Vermont.

link

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/18/se.01.html

The video starts here. I am watching it on CSPAN as I type (they are playing it before a Dean rally). I seems the article if definately wrong as to dates (they mention only Feb and Mar ones). Can't say which is right on the invite.

[w4rma]

67. Carter: "…Church, and for Plains to have this distinguished *guest* here."

More opportunistic smear tactics.

[Cuban_Liberal]

96. Grabbing at straws, is more like it.

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. So did I.

I suspect this post has little to do with the truth, however, given the absolute triviality of the 'issue' presented.

[Democrats unite]

24. It has to do with everything!

Dean seems to contradict what ever is said. I know someone else who does that also.

[beaconess]

86. Reminds me of the "I didn't ask Clark to be my VP," "Yes you did" debate

n/t

[deminflorida]

13. Well here's the Media Bomb on the eve of the Iowa Caucuses

that everybody's been waiting on. And as a side note, it has fallen on Dean at the worst time.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. This certainly will end his campaign!

[Rich Hunt]

45. LOL

Here's a bible quote for my fellow Dean supporters.

Be as gentle as a dove, but wise as a serpent.

Some of us are going to get real wise, real soon.

It's about Time, not really about Jimmy Carter.

[flaminbats]

16. wow, what a surprise!

And the subsequent public appearance by the two on the Main Street of Plains — all eight minutes and 25 seconds of it — fell well short of even a hint at an endorsement by Carter. He praised Dean for his outspokenness against the Iraq War, which Carter also opposed, and the two of them noted that Dean had gotten his start in politics by working in Carter’s 1980 campaign in Vermont. What neither one noted, however, was that this was the race that Carter lost.

This just reveals how idiotic the press is. First of all, why would Carter or Dean feel obligated "to note" the obvious? And why would Dean expect an endorsement he knows he will not get? The article then tries to make a political issue out of who suggested what to whom...but I have a better question.

Who really gives a fuck??? :wtf:

[TacticalPeek]

17. Overreachitis.

The old news, recapped only days ago (Jan 14?) when the visit came up on the radar, was Carter's standing, months-old offer of his counsel and well-wishes to any dem going after Bush.


"These meetings were arranged at the request of the candidates. As in the past, I welcome meetings with any Democratic presidential candidate."

Carter clarifies purpose of meeting

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. well, that solves the mystery then

carter is a smart man. i could not figure why he would invite dean away from the battlefield on the day before caucus.

[lurk_no_more]

20. This is so strange!

The Sunday before the Iowa vote, dean calls President Carter and invites himself to go to church, then claims that Carter invited him?

I may be wrong but: IMO It sounds like dean was trying to give an impression that Carter was going to endorse him just before the vote on Monday. I think Carter saw it this way too, as he made a point of saying he wasn't going to endorse dean, AND making it clear that dean invited himself.

I guess Carter's still pretty sharp after all these years.

As for dean....it looks pretty desperate!


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[bearfartinthewoods]

138. and dumb

to think he could get away with using Carter like that and get away with it???

[Alex146]

21. Oh my god!

Dean is obviously a lying scumbag. I'm changing my support to Clark right away!

[newsjunkie]

136. oh my goodness gracious...me too!

heaven's to betsy...
what an 'angry' horrid man!
LOL!

[bearfartinthewoods]

139. talk about jumping out of the pan................

[KittyWampus]

22. Carter Clarifies Purpose Of Meeting With Dean (Plus Commentary On CNN)

Carter Clarifies Purpose Of Meeting With Dean (Plus Commentary On CNN)
Associated Press - ATLANTA

Former President Jimmy Carter wants to make it clear that he does not plan to endorse Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean when the two meet this weekend.

Carter issued a statement Wednesday, described as a clarification to news reports surrounding Deans plans to visit him Sunday in Carters hometown of Plains, Ga.

snip
Aides to Dean and Carter have said the former president plans to offer words of praise for Dean, but no endorsement is expected. Carter has said he will not express any preference about who should be the nominee.

Carter said he has met with Dean before and Gen. Wesley Clark, another Democratic presidential hopeful.

These meetings were arranged at the request of the candidates. As in the past, I welcome meetings with any Democratic presidential candidate.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=29151

.......................................................................................................................................................................................
The Carter people have just put out a statement:

"I look forward to meeting with Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean on Sunday and to attending church
and Sunday school with him in Plains." That would be Plains, Georgia. "This meeting is not an endorsement of his
candidacy, but an opportunity for me to learn more about the candidate and his views."...I met with Governor Dean
previously, and also with General Wesley Clark. These meetings were arranged at the request of the candidates.
As in the past, I welcome meetings with any Democratic presidential candidate."

What's going on behind the scenes here, Ron?

RON BROWNSTEIN, "LOS ANGELES TIMES": Well, if Jimmy Carter rented out an airplane to have a banner trail
behind "I am not endorsing." He could not really have made it more emphatic than that.

I think what's going on here, Wolf, is that the Dean campaign over the last few weeks has tried to create the
impression that the Democratic Party is consolidating behind him, even before the race begins. He's had a number
of high profile endorsements, Al Gore and Bill Bradley, the contestants from 2000, Tom Harkin, the Democratic
senator from Iowa, a number of members of Congress, really transforming him from the outsider insurgent that he
began as something of a hybrid with a lot of support from insiders.

A question is whether this is proving counterproductive for him and sort of complicating and confounding, in some
ways, his message. It is a fact, a kind of a strange fact that both in Iowa and New Hampshire, he's dropped in the
polls, come closer to the field, since this wave of high profile endorsements

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/14/nfcnn.01.htm

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. This is such a pissant issue, I'm surprised bandwidth is being spent on it

:eyes:

[Democrats unite]

26. What abut the bandwith about raising your arms in prayer?

eom

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. Even more pissant.

To think that most people here at least pretend to be adults in the real world...:eyes:

[Democrats unite]

34. So that bandwith is ok...

Because it's not about Dean Right?

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. I said what I said.

Is there a problem?

[Clark Can WIN]

130. Is that a battery on your shoulder? LOL

Please don't be offended, it's a joke. Although I'm probably betraying my advancing age.......... anyway........ back to my metamucil.

[DancingBear]

28. It's not just this issue

This indeed may be a pissant issue, but if you put enough of them together pretty soon you got a big ol' pot o' pee.

That's the problem.

[Cuban_Liberal]

32. Wes Clark should know ALL about that!

:eyes:

[MoonRiver]

29. Yeah, kinda like the prayer posing nonsense about Clark.

Only that one wasn't about a candidate lying, just silly spin. Interesting that both these threads involved Clark and Dean visiting churches!

:crazy:

[sandnsea]

42. This is the worst thing he's done

And consider how many times I've said "this is the lowest thing Dean has done", it's pretty low. Fool me once and all of that...

[Cuban_Liberal]

65. Oh, baloney!

It's not clear he's 'done' anything at all. :eyes:

[Kahuna]

25. That Dean! That Dean!

He can tell 'em with the best of 'em.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. OMG! THIS is embarrassing!

Dean INVITED HIMSELF?????? Hahahahaha! How TACKY can you be?! I'm so glad Jimmy is such an honest and honorable man....we may never have learned about this.....he cannot tell a lie. :7 But, Dean can. Then, Dean let it all play out like Jimmy HAD invited him and Trippi tried to make people think Jimmy would endorse Dean while he was there. UGH! This is just too funny. NONE of that went down the way we were led to believe it did. Thank You Jimmy!

[MoonRiver]

33. Gaffe #???

Has anybody kept count?

[windansea]

39. mid 20's since Dec 1

the gaffe meister strikes again

[DancingBear]

40. It's number 248

But that's only from 1/1/04. :)

[TacticalPeek]

35. One could view Carter's 'explicit clarification' last week as a reply

to Trippi's mugging . . . "but that would be wrong". Hehheh.

[sandnsea]

41. Lying about Jimmy Carter

My god. I can't believe the man's audacity. I can't understand how many times he has to do this before people see he just isn't what he says he is. Sometimes you just have to cut bait.

[Cuban_Liberal]

43. What I find even more apalling

I find people's obsession to spin and nuance the plain meaning of Dr. Dean's every word to 'prove' it to be a lie morbid and unhealthy, and I'm not even supporting him.

[sandnsea]

46. He lied

It's right there in the post. He lied. Lied. Lied. Lied. Lied. About a Nobel Peace Prize winner. About one of the most honest leaders we've ever had. He lied. And put this respected man in the horrible position of having to say so. Time to cut bait my friend.

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. No, you're over-reaching, I think.

If you read the article with no bias, it's not clear at all that Dr. Dean lied. I listened to him live today on CNN, and it's quite clear that he was offered a choice of dates, which in ordinary conversation on could refer to as being 'invited' on a certain date.

People need to quit this desperately destructive trashing of all our candidate.

[MoonRiver]

54. Yes, he was offered a choice of dates AFTER he invited himself

I don't know why Dean should get a pass when he sets up a photo op, distorts the facts, and is then caught!

[TLM]

57. Carter has a standing invitation to meet with any of the canddiates

but don't let that get in the way of your Gore-ing of Dean.

[sandnsea]

70. DU has a standing invitation to come to my house

Doesn't mean I've personally invited any of you to come on the 4th of July and go to a beach party with me or anything. Big difference.

[TLM]

78. DU has a standing invitation to come to my house

so if someone asked to take you up on that standing invitation and you gave them a few dates, and they picked on... how would that not be an invite?

[sandnsea]

110. It's not the same thing

And I would be very angry if any DUer tried to make that situation out to me preferring one DUer over another or that they HAD to come because, after all, I had invited them. :eyes:

Although there are DUer's I prefer over others. Of course, I can't name names, that's rude. Well, I can name JohnKleeb, that probably won't upset anybody.

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. Carter said.......DEAN Called HIM,

NOT that HE called Dean. In the article Dean said.....“When the former President of the United States asks you to go to church with him on a Sunday before the caucuses, I think you probably take that up.”

Jimmy said he did NOT call Dean and invite him. Dean called Jimmy and invited himself. Hahahaha! funny.

Trippi went on Crossfire the other night and tried to portray this as some possible "big endorsement"....Jimmy had to set the record straight with the TRUTH. Shameful that Dean and Trippi put him in that situation. :(

[TLM]

92. What part of standing invation did you not understand?

The standing part or the invitation part?

[Padraig18]

98. LOL!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing! :P

[in_cog_ni_to]

99. "I" understand Jimmy Carters statement

“I didn’t invite him, but I’m glad he came,” the former President told reporters shortly before he conducted one of his frequent Sunday School classes at Maranatha Baptist Church. “He called me on the phone and said he’d like to come worship with me. … He called and asked me if it would be all right.”


Which part of that do you not understand? The “I didn’t invite him, part OR He called and asked me if it would be all right.”

I suppose Jimmy, Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Carter is now a liar?

[Padraig18]

100. This is completely absurd!

I wish the 'tempest in a teapot' crowd realized how absolutely ridiculous they look! It is TOOOOO funny! :P

[Jerseycoa]

109. If Jimmy Carter is a liar

I'm a Howard Dean supporter. :puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

113. It's amazing to me

how Dean supporters cannot just say...."Oh, yeah, that was a really stupid thing for Dean and Trippi to do/say" and move on. Instead, all we hear is....This is just ridiculous! This is TOOO funny!, he WAS invited!...sheesh. Dean is FAR from perfect and I certainly believe Jimmy Carter before I believe Howard. Howard lied. End of suject. :(

[lurk_no_more]

103. What part of

“When the former President of the United States asks you to go to church with him on a Sunday before the caucuses, I think you probably take that up.” Don't you understand?

dean said Jimmy carter invited him to go to church with him on the Sunday before the caucuses that's today, Carter said he did not invite him to go to church today....thats a dean lie!

He lied and used today to do it, the day before the caucus to give the appearance of an endorsement from Carter, forcing Carter to make it clear that he was not endorsing dean or that he invited dean today to join him!

It didn't work and dean got caught, plain and simple!


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Clark Can WIN]

131. I understand the part where President Jimmy Carter says

“I didn’t invite him"

What portion of that is hard to understand? Seems VERY clear and concise. I understand why it's hard to spin though.

[Cuban_Liberal]

58. This is absolutely ridiculous!

Am I the only one who noticed that President Carter heaped LAVISH priase on Dr. Dean? This whole 'issue' REEKS of sour grapes and a mob mentality.

[sandnsea]

69. "I didn't invite him"

What more do you need? This is too funny for words.

[Cuban_Liberal]

71. What's really funny.

What's really 'funny' is how much time people are devoting to exposing this so-called 'lie' that they completelyu missed the LAVISH praise that President carter heaped on Dr. Dean. I'd have cut off my left nut for it to have been John Edwards standing there this morning, and I would bet that deep down, you'd have done the same for it to have been John Kerry.

That's what's truly funny.

[sandnsea]

111. All they have to do is show up in Plains

Don't you get it? Carter is not endorsing ANYBODY. He'd have equally kind things to say about ANYBODY.

Whatever, the man lied. If it's okay with you, go with it.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

102. Riiight... You're one of his top defenders...

n/t

[sandnsea]

112. This is why I'm not

I've been saying for months the man is a liar. I swear to god I don't know how many more lies he has to tell before people can hear them. This is astounding.

[spooky3]

44. I doubt very much that Carter used those exact words.

"I didn't invite him" unless there were some sort of baiting question that had to be answered that way.

Carter is not a rude person so surely he would not want to embarrass Dean or himself. Moreover, Carter issued what I would consider an open invitation to all candidates to meet with him, and then when Dean responded saying he'd like to do so, gave him several alternative dates, which could also be considered invitations. That Dean then arrived at the agreed upon time is hardly the same as crashing the gate.

[mzmolly]

47. Exactly. I expect a clarification from President Carter soon.

:)

[TLM]

52. Seems to me Carter statement was about the church..

he did not condition the meeting on Dean attending his chruch, but was glad Dean asked about attending.


Carter, and his son made this clear, did invite Dean and gave a few different dates for this. Dean picked this one and then asked about going to church with Carter.


I think all Carter was saying is that the worship part was Dean's suggestion, not his.

[spooky3]

75. that makes more sense.

[Renew Deal]

49. Who do you believe? Dean or Carter

Let's just say not Dean.

[Cuban_Liberal]

51. Did anyone listen to President Carter at all?

This 'issue' is exactly what he was referring to when he spoke about 'silly mis-statements', and then said he had made them too, as a candidate. Was everyone so busy with their Roget's Thesaurus and polygraph that they missed that? :eyes:

[TLM]

55. Of course not... they don't care what Carter had to say...

they only care about finding something they can spin into an attack on Dean.

Nothing else matters.

[Cuban_Liberal]

59. That's becoming abundantly clear.

It's weak...

[TLM]

61. What else have they got?

It isn't like they have anything positive to post about their candidates.

I think the whole reason Clark pulled out of Iowa is so his supporters could focus all their energy of Gore-ing Dean.

[Cuban_Liberal]

64. I could tell you a lot about the Clark campaign.

I jst can't do it here, or I'll be warned/banned.

[sangha]

IMO, your innuendos also break the rules

Please try to restrict your comments to the issues and the candidates, and refrain from innuendos concerning their supporters.

[Cuban_Liberal]

83. What rule would that be?

IMO, I am within the rules. Alert on it, if you think it's a violation, but please refrain from telling me how to post.

Thank you.

[sangha]

84. Check your inbox

I'm going to PM you.

[Cuban_Liberal]

87. I did. You should have my reply.

Thank you for your concern.

[Clark Can WIN]

135. "I didn't invite him" “He called me on the phone and said he’d like to

come worship with me"

It seems that those rushing to the defense of Dean are unconcerned with President Carter's actual words.

[TLM]

50. Dean gets praise from Carter....

expect every Dean opponant to sieze on any bit of minutia to Gore Dean over this. Oh no Carter only gave a generalized invite, and it was Dean who asked about going to the church with Carter...GASP!

They want to focus attention on the minutia of who invited who and when, to keep anybody from focusing on the positive things Carter had to say about Dean.

Same old garbage attacks.

[Lobo_13]

53. It's all they got left

The way I understood it, Pres. Carter was willing to meet with whoever asked.

Maybe the other candidates should have asked, then I'm sure they would have gotten the attention.

Just another example of Dean out-playing the rest of the field in behind the scenes work.

[MoonRiver]

56. That is the point! He was willing to meet with whoever ASKED!

Dean ASKED and then said he was invited!

[TLM]

60. So if I say I am willing to meet the candidates....

then one asks to take me up on that standing invitation, I give him a few possible dates, and he picks one... how is that not still an invitation?

[LatinManNH]

66. If Carter offered an open invitation

to all the candidates, and Clark and Dean took him up on it, then it was still Carter who invited. Is that correct?

[Cuban_Liberal]

68. Better grab the Roget's Thesaurus!

Plain English plainly spoken has no use in the 'spin game' here at DU. ;)

[LatinManNH]

80. LOL

[bearfartinthewoods]

72. why would you pick today?

[Cuban_Liberal]

74. Why do you THINK?

Come on! :eyes:

[MoonRiver]

106. Yeah, the candidates, NOT Dean specifically.

Although I'll concede the point that the real issue is the invitation to church.

[Cuban_Liberal]

62. He was offered a choice of dates.

Anyone not intent on parsing every word that comes out of his mouth could reasonably construe Carter's *offer* to come today as an 'invite', were they not simultaneously intent on the politics of personal destruction.

I *want* John edwards to win, but it need not be at the expense of *destroying* Dr. Dean.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

104. Notice that every time Dean falls in the polls - he has to be "rescued"?

By someone endorsing him. Don't see the other candidates doing this.

[jpgpenn]

63. ole Mr. Dean seems to be having another attack of ...

that, not quite remembering the conversation, again.:kick:

[Rose Siding]

76. Mass hysteria just *never* loses its appeal

LOfreakin'-GOTCHA!

[maddezmom]

77. bottom line~ meeting with Carter, no endorsement nt

[Cuban_Liberal]

79. Just as Trippi said on TV earlier in the week.

But one HELL of a photo-op, the day before Iowa.

[TLM]

81. No endorsement...

but lots of praise and great support from a very important man.


Had this been Clark or Kerry, their supporters would be hooting and hollering 24//7 about it.

[MiniMoog]

82. Dean says he was invited to *Church*

President Carter said he did not invite him to Church.

On edit: subject line

Without parsing at all, the conflicting accounts revolves around whether President Carter invited Mr. Dean to attend Church services with him.

To wit: "Dean later suggested. “When the former President of the United States asks you to go to church with him on a Sunday before the caucuses, I think you probably take that up.”

Mr. Dean believes President Carter did invite him to worhsip services.

And here is President Carter's reply to the invitation to worhsip.

"Carter doesn’t remember it quite that way. “I didn’t invite him, but I’m glad he came,” the former President told reporters shortly before he conducted one of his frequent Sunday School classes at Maranatha Baptist Church. “He called me on the phone and said he’d like to come worship with me. He called and asked me if it would be all right.”

President Carter is glad Mr. Dean came to worhsip, but that was not his "standing invitation" to provide gracious counsel as an elder statesman.

That is the difference. It appears to me that this is what President Carter is attempting to clarify. The spin, although it is rather petty, is off mark.

MiniMoog

[Cuban_Liberal]

88. Thank God for a DU-er with critcal thinking ability and...

... the ability to read with comprehension. :hi:

[MIMStigator]

89. yeesh.

nt

[Cocoa]

90. a minor lie, imo

assuming the worst, that Dean is implying a Carter endorsement that Carter didn't give him, it's not a big deal to me.

It would be a factor if Dean were running his candidacy on honesty, like saying all the other dems are liars, or calling himself the only honest candidate. But Dean isn't doing that, as far as I know.

[beaconess]

91. He is running his campaign on honesty

claiming that he is a straight shooter, the one candidate who will tell it like it is, speak truth to power. I don't understand how you can believe that he lied about this, but it doesn't matter.

[w4rma]

93. Opportunistic smear tactic.

Carter: "…Church, and for Plains to have this distinguished *guest* here."
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/18/se.01.html

[xultar]

94. Buhawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! n/t

[Cuban_Liberal]

95. Front-page kick.

[Tatiana]

97. Oh boy.

It's probably an honest mistake, but how many of them can Dean make?

I think this qualifies as one of those esteemed "gaffes."

***Sigh***

[Padraig18]

101. kick

[kerry-is-my-prez]

105. Why does Dean "hide behind" all these other people? For credibility?

Makes it look like he can't win people over on his own - by his OWN capabilities.

[Padraig18]

107. He's not 'hiding behind' anyone!

That is the most absurd spin I've read on DU today, and that's saying something... :eyes:

[candy331]

108. Maybe some in this thread should

see if they could snag a meeting from Carter. I'm sure they could learn a lot from a man of peace who rises above trivial matters to give time and energy to help others. Maybe you should get the rafter out of your own eyes before trying to extract a straw from another's eye.

[arewethereyet]

114. The doctor really must start gettng his stories worked out beforehand

unless its too late to worry about it now...

[Clark Can WIN]

140. This marriage of Dean and Trippi is killing him

which is addmittedly just fine with me but I digress, Dean is a person who has a self admitted tendency to pop his mouth off a little too easily. You combine this with Trippi's notoriously ugly campaign tactics and you just end up with something totally unpaletable for the mainstream voter.

This whole episode would not have surfaced were it not for Trippi's mugging and psuedo-elusive abuse of President Carters kindness.

[arewethereyet]

142. If he can't handle this how can he handle the job he seeks ?

its quite a lot more complicated than a primary campaign. And the stakes are massively higher.

[DemBones DemBones]

115. Dean needs to learn that when a Southerner says

"Y'all come see us anytime now, you hear?" he or she is being polite, NOT issuing an actual invitation.

Southerners issue invitations the same way anyone else does: by contacting someone and asking them to come visit at a specific time for a specific purpose (dinner, a weekend visit, etc.)

Jimmy Carter was gracious enough to allow Dean to come for a visit but he didn't issue an actual invitation. When Dean called and asked when he could come to Plains, Carter gave him three dates that would work for him. Dean chose January 18.

That does not mean the former president called Dean and asked Dean to go to church with him the day before the Iowa caucuses. That's Dean's claim and it makes no sense.

Why would Carter, a man knowledgeable about politics, ask any candidate to stop campaigning and travel to Plains right before the Iowa caucuses?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

117. Spot On

That's exactly right, IMO.

DTH

[Cuban_Liberal]

118. Mining the back pages for negative threads, I see...

This is NOT the way to win a campaign. Haven't any of you been paying attention to Iowa? :shrug:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

119. Don't Blame It on Me

My post came a mere two minutes after BFITW's post. And please don't take it out on BFITW, either, since it's eminently reasonable for a thread to be dormant through the night and commented on again in the morning.

DTH

[Cuban_Liberal]

120. It can also be eminently suspicious.

Not that I'm attributing a motive, just sayin'... :shrug:

[CivilRightsNow]

121. Ugh..

Im getting sick of Dean's pandering to religions. Just like Clark's speaking in temples and saying he is a friend of Israel.

This is my first negative post about Dean.. and I had thought that had he won the nomination, I would vote for him.. but Im so sick of this crap and I dont care anyone says. I'm not voting on just anyone that gets the nomination. These religious photo ops have to go. Nothing pisses me off more then that.

[TexasSissy]

122. Well, of course Dean asked. I never thought otherwise.

Why would a former President, with nothing to gain, out of the blue ask one of the candidates to leave the caucus area the day before an election and fly down to go to church with him, esp. when he wasn't giving him an endorsement?

I also don't think there's anything wrong with Dean asking. That's politics. Too bad Dean tried to paint a different picture, though, as if he wanted people to believe that Carter asked him, not the other way around.

I think Dean has been very pro-active in seeking endorsements and photo ops, and has been pretty successful at it. Nothing wrong with that.

But haven't the candidates learned yet that we're looking for someone we can trust to tell the whole truth, after four years of misinformation (at best)? I mean, what's the difference? Did Dean really think it critical that Carter asked him rather than he asked Carter? Would people care, anyway, whichever way it happened? If a candidate fails to tell the whole truth about something so unimportant, what will he do when it's really in his interest for the whole truth about something very important not to be told. Will he choose the high moral ground?

[maddezmom]

123. kick

:kick:

[Padraig18]

124. Thanks a lot.

Now there are TWO threads of this utter bullshit on page one. I'm going to go dig through the cellar for some stuff, if that's how it's to be played.

[funky_bug]

125. My friend

You have remained consistantly above the fray. Please don't stoop to this level. As there are a few "sour grapers" in each camp, let's maintain a level of credibility for our candidates.

Respectfully,
Robin

[maddezmom]

126. Padraig

I alerted the other thread as a dupe and then kicked this one. And I notice you did a lot of kicking of this thread yourself.

edited to add...should have said you kicked it yourself, not a lot of kicking.

[Clark Can WIN]

143. I had never read this thread, you are the one who dug it up and

posted it on mine. So which of us is to blame for both of them being on page one? It's like the fireman who started the fire.

[redqueen]

146. I had that same thought

I saw yours first, then this one was kicked.

Either way, the whole situation stinks. :(

[newsjunkie]

150. I am disappointed in the Dems here that

are participating in this Rove-style Dean-bashing. With friends like you folks, who needs Republicans.You are doing their work for them.

It's the saddest sour grapes I've seen to date in this primary process.
We will all be SO lucky if Dean can overcome this kind of crap and keep going through all of it.

[Clark Can WIN]

151. Dean said he was invited, Trippi made a huge whoopty doo about it

And President Jimmy Carter said "I didn't invite him". I didn't see Karl Rove anywhere.

I am of the opinion that we will all be lucky if more people realize what a flawed candidate Dean represents and he eventually drops out of the race. I understand you may feel the same way about Clark but I don't see republicans behind every tree when criticism of my candidate arises.

[meow mix]

128. he so funny =)

deans leet campaigning prowess,
definetly has left me in stiches here.. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

this one tops it.

[beaconess]

132. Do you think that Dean would have planned to spend the last day

before the Iowa Caucus traipsing down to Plains for a photo op with Jimmy Carter had he anticipated he might no longer be at the front of the pack?

It seems that his time would have been better spent shoring up support on the ground in Iowa rather than focusing on a photo op that ended up causing more questions about him?

Just wondering.

[Cuban_Liberal]

133. I can't believe that this ridiculous thread is still alive.

Talk about wasted energy! :eyes:

[newsjunkie]

134. This is beneath the posters here

Beyond STUPID! It sounds like Republicans spin on Gore right before the 'selection' REMEMBER? Nobody 'lied' here..comeon you are playing into Dean being 'Gored'. Who cares???? It's semantics and perception. The whole frikken point of the visit was for Dean to highlight his respect,admiration and association with Carter. Thats all that matters and he did that. Carter seemed pleased with the whole event,and so did Dean.

[redqueen]

137. I can see how this makes Dean look dishonest

The Carter thing was hyped as an endorsement, and now it turns out it was also hyped as an invitation to Dean. True, Carter offered his counsel to all the candidates, but that's hardly the same as being invited to church on a certain date - especially when the date of the meeting was your idea. And what kind of counsel could Dean receive at services? This wasn't taking Carter up on his offer, it was using him for a photo-op.

Too bad for Dean that Time got a clarification from Carter. Now this will be another gaffe for everyone to remember about Dean.

[Jerseycoa]

141. If this was a "gaffe" it would be one thing

This was outright deception. Bah.

[redqueen]

145. Yeah yeah I know

I'm tryin' to be nice here! :)

I just can't for the life of me figure out why he would do such a STUPID thing! I mean, he was donig great, and still is... is he trying to sabotage himself or something? Geezaloo.

[Clark Can WIN]

147. I still say if Trippi had not gotten so "cutsey" about the Carter

appearance this would have gone much better for Dean. He took advantage of President Carter's kindness in an ugly way, the Trippi way.

[redqueen]

149. Not sure what you mean

But if by 'cutesy' you mean hyping it to seem more like an endorsement, then I really really agree.

[RandomUser]

144. OMG

Too funny! :evilgrin: