Anyone hear Aaron Brown blame Janet Jackson's breast for Tuesday?

[BurtWorm]

Last night, in his cloyingly sanctimonious and self-important opening statement, Brown actually said that he "suspected" Bush was outraged by it as evidence of the filth in the culture, that voters sensed Bush's outrage and chose him because of it.

And they actually pay Brown a lot of money to write and read that shit!

[Hobarticus]

1. Not what I took out of it...

I understood that to mean, the ENTIRE Super Bowl halftime show is evidence that culture's running amok.

They didn't need Bush to tell them that.

He may have a point. I'm a little tired of seeing wiggling nympho starlets passed off as "entertainment", myself.

But, that also conveniently ignores that Fox is chiefly responsible for cramming the airwaves with crap that makes me blanche sometimes, and I ain't no fuddy-duddy.

You gotta admit: allowing a woman to bare a breast on the most heavily-watched TV show of the year is pretty stupid, and insensitive to your audience. Yes, it's just a body part, and it didn't offend me, but unless we wake up and develop some sensitivity to these people with frail constitutions, we're gonna get our asses beat in this 'culture war' game time and time again.

[jim3775]

2. What is the lineup for the next super bowl?

I bet Toby Keith is involved.

[Hobarticus]

4. Oh gawd....

Not THAT sensitive!!!

[Gut Check]

6. "People with frail constitutions" = "moral majority" ?? n/t

[Hobarticus]

8. No. I know lifelong liberals and Dems who said that was a bit much for TV.

You'll never make the Moral Majority Morons happy...but we certainly don't need to be giving them ammunition, either.

[Gut Check]

9. I agree. n/t

[Neecy]

10. I dunno

I guess I view the 'culture running amok' theme with a grain of salt, because I don't think it's culture as much as it is commercialism.

To consider a halftime show as 'culture' would have most of the civilized world rolling with laughter, whether we brand it as popular culture or not.

If the backwaters object to something like the halftime show, rather than whining at Democrats, they would do better to rage against the very people they're now aligned with - the huge corporations that produce it.

[Hobarticus]

14. But to red-staters without an interest in the fine arts, TV is culture!

And the huge corporations' PACs and GOP operatives helped create the impression that the moral rot in our nation, which includes the "offensive" halftime show, is our fault. They're the only ones talking to them in their language.

[BurtWorm]

11. No, I think you're wrong. He was not talking about excessive entertainment

and corporate values, which is what the Super Bowl is all about and which would have resonated with me. He was talking specifically about Janet Jackson's breast, and he was guessing what Bush thought about it. As far as I know, Bush never said anything about The Breast, and even if he did, who the fuck cares what Bush thinks about anything? I saw this as Brown really reaching for a metaphor or symbol--or synecdoche, if you will--for all the moral rot and its electoral consequence.

Why not point to Abu Ghraib, while we're talking moral rot, by the way?

[Hobarticus]

13. We DID point to Abu Ghraib, and what'd that get us?

People don't care because it doesn't come on their TV five nights a week.

People aren't pondering the corporate implications of the Super Bowl and its metaphor for society, like you and I would. They're worried about that woman showing off her boobies to their kids. And we have address that mindset.

Face it, we've become a lazy nation of dumbasses willing to believe anything fed to them without rational thought or objectivity in prime time.

We're gonna have to react to the 'dumbing-down' of America, like it or not.

[BurtWorm]

15. You can't generalize about what "people" think if you want to get at the

truth of this or any other election. The red staters, the Bushist rubes are not "people" or "the people." They're who they are. Their outrage is not my outrage. Their outrage is just too damn bad. I don't cry any tears for them.

I live in the Orange zone, which is the tiny portion of the nation where terrorists are not just a hypothetical but an actual threat, where they, in fact, actually terrorized. The people of this zone are not living in fear of anything but what this election will do to the integrity of the nation and its standing in the world. I don't give much of a shit what people in the yellow zone think about anything.

[Hobarticus]

16. And that attitude is why Dems will fail, again and again...

"I don't give much of a shit what people in the yellow zone think about anything."

That's a brilliant strategy there. Good luck with that.

[BurtWorm]

18. I'm not running for head strategist of the Democratic Party

I'm just telling how I feel. I'm not interested in the delicate sensibilities of the overwashed masses. :shrug:

[Hobarticus]

20. I understand where you're coming from, I do.

I'm in a red state, myself, and the very people here (farmers and light manufacturing workers) who are going to get hurt first and worst voted for Bush.

Fuck, what's it going to take?

[BurtWorm]

23. Exactly! The world is upside down.

The yellow staters are voting on terror and morality when they should be worried about jobs and the economy. The orange staters should, perhaps, have been more concerned with terror but were much more worried about the economy (which, I think, my fellow orange zoners and I see as more influential on national security than the moral rectitude of the culture).

[Haviland_42]

21. I'm no fuddy-duddy either but.....

When I had to explain to my 9 yr. old son why that "woman on TV just showed her bare boob" ... well, then I got pissed.

Come on, for me it's not about the nakedness, I'm no prude. It's just that there is a time and a place for everything (well, most things) and half-time at the Superbowl is not it.

And then for Jackson and her spokespeople to lie about what happened, geez, then I had to explain to my kids why she was lying. It just made the whole thing worse.

I'm no June Cleaver but I'm sick of the "I'm naked and in your face" mentality that abounds these days!!!!!

[BurtWorm]

24. You mean your son didn't know what a breast was?

Or what a pastie was, maybe? ;)

I don't watch any football at all, let alone the Superbowl. When I did watch football once upon a time long, long ago, I found halftime shows insufferably boring, especially when they became lip synch extravaganzas. I would have found an exposed breast unexpectedly interesting.

[Haviland_42]

26. LOL!

Well yeah, he knows what a breast is, he's just been raised to believe that SOME things are reserved for mature viewing only. No harm in that. ;-)

[BurtWorm]

27. Or immature viewing if you're an infant...

or a frat boy.

[UdoKier]

3. Bush's Ally Murdoch is a major purveyor of smut on his TV networks.

More smut on TV is great for the right. It keeps people distracted from thinking.

They would much rather censor Bill Moyers than those disgusting "Girls Gone Wild" commercials.

[Hobarticus]

5. Zactly!

Here's marching orders for the Dems in Congress:

If Sonny-Boy Powell wants to start cracking heads at the FCC, then the Dems in Congress should be holding his feet to the fire.

Crack down on that shit, and make damn sure everybody knows who's calling for it.

And if they DON'T crack down, make damn sure everybody knows who didn't do it!

[mzmolly]

7. Does Bush watch FOX? Did Aaron see the Bush "pussy" comment?

WOMEN: Though his spin doctors did a good job of hiding it during the last election, Bush has been known to display his true moral character when he talks to other men. At the Republican National Convention in 1988, he was asked by a Hartford Courant reporter about what he and his father talked about when they weren't talking about politics. "PUSSY," Bush replied.

http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/bush1.html

How bout the one where Bush gives the camera the finger?

Guess not.

F**k these hypocrites.

[BurtWorm]

12. Did Aaron forget Abu Ghraib?

Now there's offensive entertainment.

[NewJeffCT]

28. The problem with that is...

Nobody knows about that or the finger...

And, even though the Courant has endorsed Republicans for president for time immemorial, they can write it off as a little paper from the librul northeast.

[d_b]

17. If that's why people voted for Bush

We're more fucked than I thought

[pdx_prog]

19. Funny.....

They are the ones outraged by sex and violence in America, but they are the ones who are promoting it by the de-regulations and tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations....

Stupid fooks...

[JI7]

22. with all going on now, it's amazing at what some people are outraged at

[LisaM]

25. The immoral thing at the Super Bowl were the Cialis ads...

as my boyfriend pointed out, the corporate sponsors were just pissed off because Janet Jackson could arouse people without drugs.

[BurtWorm]

29. The most immoral thing at the SuperBowl is the price corps paid for ads.

The most obscene thing about it, too.