Bush Got 44% Of The Hispanic Vote... Up From 35% What Are We

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Going To Do About It?


We can't allow the Pugs to co opt another vital part of our base....

[JI7]

1. Chuck Schumer on Daily Show said it was about gay marriage

and other "values" and "morals" for them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Those Issues Could Have Been Packaged Better By Us...

Clinton did it...

[zaj]

31. It was...

I live in Tucson, and our turnout was down in large part IMO because of this issue. In South Tucson and some of the other Mexican communites in town, the campaign signs of our very popular Congressman Raul Grijalva had been tagged with graffiti below his name saying "... supports FAGS".

I saw LOTS of these signs.

It's is a major issue and in a political sense, a major problem.

[gratefull4u]

2. I I need help on this...

I don't know what this is, it sound like some breed of dog. I know my dogs hate him!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Can you elaborate?

[WI_DEM]

4. Now that is surprising

since polls had him doing no better than he did in '00. Richardson and Salazar on the ticket might help.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Here's My Ticket To Break The Pug's Heart In08

Warner- Richardson...


We get the south, the southwest, and Hispanics...


And the best thing about Richardson is he's Hispanic enough to excite his fellow Hispanics while not Hispanic enough to alienate the goobers in flyover country who's votes we need..

[DaveinMD]

8. Richardson

has womanizing issues.

[LightTheMatch]

11. hmm

Sounds good to me, maybe he'll be as good as Clinton! :D

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. power must be an aphrodisiac

cuz he's no antonio banderas....

[yellowcanine]

35. This is crap - document it or don't say it. Republican smear tactics

will not keep us from nominating viable candidates. Remember what Drudge tried to do with Kerry and the "intern".

[DaveinMD]

41. I heard it from people I know in Colorado

they told me he wouldn't be chosen as VP by Kerry because of this. These were Democrats that told me this. Richardson was the speaker at the Jefferson Jackson Dinner, that's why it came up.

[QC]

6. Homophobes come in all colors. n/t

[Catfight]

28. As long as the hate is pointed at them, it's okay to hate homo's. Because

someones gotta die, right?

[DaveinMD]

7. we need to talk about our issues

in terms of morality. We should not shy away from that debate. We should win it.

[montana500]

9. deport that 9% back to mexico nm

nm

[TahitiNut]

10. As Latin America moves left ...

... those motivated by power and greed come to Amerika. When the Fascist Batista was overthrown, the fascist Cubans came to Miami, many with the help of organized crime families. When the left took power in El Salvador, the "elite" right-wingers came to Amerika.

When you take a look at the political heritage of those who've come here, you'll realize it isn't mostly the "tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free" ... it's the privileged looking to salvage their privilege and those who're accustomed to that paternalism.


"Illegals"? Cheap labor for Korporate Amerika -- and a handy whip to keep Amerikan Labor leashed and harnessed, creating yet more wealth for the wealthy.

[Eric J in MN]

12. The New Democratic Network

has a Hispanic Outreach project.

http://www.newdem.org/

(Some people here are against NDN since their leader used to work for the DLC.)

[DuaneBidoux]

14. That was enough.

[geomon666]

15. Of course...

It doesn't help that spanish TV down here in FL was all about bushlicking and kerrybashing to the point where even my own mother voted for this puke.

[RafterMan]

17. How does that track with the shift (if there was one)

in Catholic numbers? If it's part of a broader Catholic trend, that's what needs to be addressed.

[calico1]

18. As a Hispanic

or Latino woman, whichever term you prefer--I can tell you this: although Latinos favor Dems when it comes to social issues like education and health care, many of them are very religious and also very Conservative when it comes to issues like gay rights and abortion. Hispanic men? Despite it being the 21st century, male chauvinism is alive and well among many Hispanic men. They are extremely homophobic. Not everyone of course. But it is still very much a part of the culture. That and the belief that abortion is murder no matter what. So those issues resonate well with that segment (which is pretty big) of the Latino community.

[formernaderite]

26. Don't take this the wrong way...but I'm continually shocked by the

blatant stereotypes and bigotry portrayed on the spanish language tv novellas.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. bigotry toward who

[formernaderite]

45. poor people, women, men , people of color etc.

It does get me when poor people are often portrayed as dirty and extremely ugly....sometimes even deformed. I don't understand spanish beyond conversational...my wife likes to watch to brush up on her spanish. If you've never watched a novella...you really can't imagine. They even do period pieces with slaves. It's sort of like what you'd envision television from the 1930's....except we didn't have television.

[calico1]

38. I don't take it wrong believe me.

I find it disgusting and so insulting the way women especially are portrayed. It infuriates me! Most of us are not like that. Yet you see this stupid programming and you think all Latina women and men are just like the stereotypes portrayed. I'd like to take an ax to that stupid Univision channel. But then of course I'd break my television set! :mad:

[SoCalDemocrat]

19. What about the exit polls he didn't

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

Anyone have that cached from Tuesday night? Please try and capture a SS of your cached image. I distinctly recall Bush was getting something like 37% of the hispanic vote nationwide on Tuesday evening.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. it says 53-44 and that's a damn shame (nt)

[Doomsayer13]

20. Most hispanics are Catholics

can you see the connect?

[alarcojon]

21. That pisses this Latino off!

How could that pinche cara de picha guey be getting closer to half of us?

Bear in mind, Latinos are not some sort of monolith. But here are some thoughts:

I do agree that social issues played a role. Many Latinos are socially conservative, and the gay marriage thing and assorted homophobia, plus abrtion, unfortunately works on many of these folks. I don't know how to resolve this dilemma, other than to try to keep the focus on jobs and social services and away from these wedge issues.

War is a tricky issue. When my dad first came to the U.S., he felt a need to be overly "patriotic" in order to allay the suspicions of the Anglo community. On the other hand, we all know that black and Latino men serve disproportionately as cannon fodder in these imperial wars.

Also, there is something about the progressive movement that just doesn't seem to be reaching many minorities. The peace, environmental, social justice movements I have been involved in over the years have almost always been overwhelmingly white, even when the surrounding community itself was diverse. Nader never had much minority support. I think progressivism is widely seen as a white middle-class thing, and we're losing votes to El Pendejo as a result.

Lastly, there is something about outreach. I got my mom and aunts to vote this time around, but they needed to have the system explained to them. They are not dumb, they just grew up with a different system. While the Democratic party and progressives need to reach out more, this is more of an issue of the community getting more involved in educating and turning out the vote. This kind of crap just cannot continue to go on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. what does piche cara de pica guey mean?

[Liberal Classic]

37. I'm not sure

Cause I'm rusty, but I think it's spirit would roughly translate to something like 'goddamned dickhead' but more literally is 'damned little dick face.'

[alarcojon]

43. Rough translation

This isn't by any means the Queen's Spanish, but:

"cara de picha" means "dickface."

"guey" (pronounced more or less like the English word "way") is a common term of abuse among young, mainly Mexican, men. Probably means roughly "dumbass," but opinions differ.

"pinche" is primarily an intensifier, kind of like putting "fucking" in front of another insult.

Put it all together, and you get "fucking dickface dumbass."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. gracias

hola

[Francine Frensky]

24. It's the hispanic vs. black rivalry, folks! This is HUUUGE.

The democratic party has given it's "minority" leadership positions to blacks, and everybody knows that blacks and hispanics are not exactly friendly groups (I know I'm generalizing here, obviously some are friends) ... the republicans have exploited this group big time and said to them: climb on board and we'll fight for your social values for you.

This is a big time concern as hispanics will soon be the largest minority in the country (they probably already are, if they were all counted as legal).

If we can't win back this group, we are extinct.

[DjTj]

25. Abortion.

...the elephant in the room before gay marriage.

Catholic Latinos still largely oppose abortion as well as gay marriage.

[TruthIsAll]

27. We won at least 64% of hispanics. If we lost 11%, we were Diebolded.

tia

[Kolesar]

29. I don't see any ideas from you

just malaise

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I Made A Suggestion In Five...

I'll also add we need a candidate who can explain our support for choice and gay rights in a mannor that ordinary folks can understand..

[Kolesar]

32. oh, sorry

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. do you have any ideas you could share with the rest of us?

[Kolesar]

40. yeah

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1315465&mesg_id=1315465

[sangh0]

34. Because immigrants are religious!!

Particularly Latinos and Latinas.

And we are losing their vote, the votes of the demographic group that is the fastest growing group in the US, because of the hostility many liberals show towards religion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I remember when Dean was surging

and a DUer specifically said "it will be good to have the first openly secular president"

that's the mindset of too many folks here.... that faith is only for the goobers...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

42. They got the Catholics re: the abortion issue and the Cubans....

n/t