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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:13 PM
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We believe the exit polls re: "morals" being the issue, but DISbelieve the
exit polls that indicate high voter turnout for John Kerry?

How's that work, exactly? :shrug:

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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:15 PM
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1. The early exit polls were misleading.
Too small a sample and a lot of the working stiffs made it after all the collge kids and stay at home moms.
They're useless and should be put in a garbage can
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:16 PM
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2. so the exit polls were misleading in Ohio and Fla
at least where Kerry's lead was concerned, but correct elsewhere?
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:20 PM
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6. No..I think it's a flawed system period.
Like taking a poll of only 30 folks out of the 1000 you want to poll and declaring your answer to the poll beforehand.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:30 PM
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12. up unitl 2000
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 05:00 PM by GreenArrow
exit polls were extremely accurate. In fact, IIRC, AP had never called a race wrong, (or maybe once,) using exit polls, prior to 2000. It turns out they were right in 2000, also).

take a look at post 38 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=11874

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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:50 PM
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14. I did leave out one other option..
crookedass republican theft
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:17 PM
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3. But why do we believe what the exit polls say about "morals"
being THE big issue?

That part of the exit polling was correct?

But the part showing high voter turnout for Kerry was incorrect?


Truly, I must be stupid.

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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:22 PM
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8. That was based on ALL the exit polls.
The misleading ones were the early ones before you had a large enough sample . The later exit polls broke for the village idiot.
A fucked up system in my opinion.
Like networks calling a winner with only 10% of the vote counted.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:18 PM
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4. Good point
Apparently some want a place to put the blame. And dammit some of us want the CREDIT for every vote that was cast righfully.

What can we do if the votes don't count?

The votes are the issue.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:19 PM
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5. I believe the actual vote counts
that showed an anti-gay marriage amendment being carried handily in 11 states, not all of the blue or diablod.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:23 PM
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10. But that is a separate issue.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 04:23 PM by Lex
.
If you were to put a "anti- interracial marriage" on the ballots in those states, it would've passed handily. People would've been all for outlawing that too in those states.

What I'm talking about is the EXIT POLLING that showed "morals" being a high priority for voters.

Everybody, esp. the media, has latched onto that, but discounts the Kerry turnout in those same exit polls.

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:36 PM
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13. a double whammy
The GOP got its people out to vote on the "moral values" issues, and then cheated in certain, critical areas. As far as I'm concerned, losing to cheaters ( I expect that, with this crowd) is much less disappointing than losing because people legitimately voted for Bush. Stupid me. I believed that Americans would show themselves to be fundamentally decent, and Kerry would pick up a couple of red states, while other states across the south and plains would be closer than expected.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:20 PM
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7. Excellent question.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:23 PM
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9. All we need is a relative approximation about the morals issue
for the vote count, we need a precise number.

Morals may or may not be number one, but it's big enough that it bit us in the ass.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:23 PM
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11. I don't believe those freaking exit polls for moral issues
i think that is a sham as well...i just don't buy it...
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:51 PM
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15. WE HAVE A EXIST POLL CONNECTION TO DIEBOLD
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 04:53 PM
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16. REality doesn't matter, just what the fringe noise machine says is reality
matters, haven't you learned yet. Right now it's kill the queers.
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