Tell ya what- you regressives can keep the loser Democratic Party, k?

[Guaranteed]

The rest of us will go to DFA and build a new party from the ground up. Then you can lose 15 more House and Senate seats in the next election with your conscience intact over the fact that you didn't even bother fighting. When there's nothing left, DFA will be there to fill the void.

[high density]

1. Yeah, splitting up is the thing to do

Because smaller numbers just makes us stronger, right?! I mean look at how well smaller numbers served us on Tuesday!

[T Town Jake]

3. LOL! You beat me to it! My thoughts exactly. (n/t)

[Guaranteed]

7. The DLC whores are the ones weakening the party.

The people who actually give a shit are leaving.

Change or die is basically the message.

[sangh0]

9. Soit was the DLC that nominated Congress' #1 liberal, John Kerry?

And I thought they liked moderates like Lieberman,

:crazy:

[Guaranteed]

10. Um...yes. nt

[sangh0]

13. Yes, they like liberals or yes they like moderates?

Or is it both in your little universe?

[Guaranteed]

20. Yes, they nominated John Kerry, and yes,

they're a bunch of corporate whores.

What's the problem?

[sangh0]

39. So you don't like liberals?

I'm not surprised. I always knew it was an act

That's why you never answer the questions. No guts, no glory

[Guaranteed]

48. I just answered your dumbass question.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yes, I like liberals. So, would a LIBERAL say that we should should ban PBA's? Isn't that what you're saying now, Sangh0? Or that we should allow the Constitution to be amended to ban gay marriage?

[sangh0]

53. You punked out of answering the question

The question

"Does the DLC nominate liberals or moderates?"

So, would a LIBERAL say that we should should ban PBA's? Isn't that what you're saying now, Sangh0? Or that we should allow the Constitution to be amended to ban gay marriage?

Litmus and loyalty tests are for repukes.

[Guaranteed]

57. Mostly corporate whores, and this once they nominated Kerry...

who, coincidentally, had spent the past three years being not-so-liberal.

[sangh0]

66. Still punking out?

Still can't answer the question, so you're back to name-calling.

[UpsideDownFlag]

70. still being the DU police? nt

[sangh0]

72. I though that was your job

what with your telling me what's appropriate to post and what's not, something I haven't done in this thread.

[UpsideDownFlag]

75. it's just that i've noticed you have a habit, as i highlighted in my

original post, of yanking people back in line. except, maybe they're not out of line. you accused mike C of 'fighting kerry'. he was hardly doing so. you've done it to me, too. it gets old.

[sangh0]

76. Please take you drama elsewhere

Stalking someone from thread to thread because of what happened in another thread is against the rules, and the mods are pretty busy right now.

[Q]

78. Jesus...are you still whining?

- You DLCers get your fucking way and yet you still whine. And can your hatred of liberals be more obvious?

- Your ilk is part of the reason many otherwise loyal Dems are thinking of forming a third party...or at the very least purging the GOP-lite traitors from the party.

- You just don't seem to get it. We've watched the party move to the right for over a decade now and we've seen the results: THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OWNS EVERYTHING.

- We're not talking about moving the party in a radical direction...just back to its roots as the party of the people. Why would you object to such a thing?

[sangh0]

80. more name-calling

from the guy who hilariously called for "Dem unity" in another thread.

[UpsideDownFlag]

85. it's amazing how much of a load off the ignore button gives you.

we know we're right.

[sangh0]

87. we know we're right.

Just like bush* and the repukes

[UpsideDownFlag]

95. * and the repukes were also the only ones using the 'most liberal' meme

of which you seem so fond.

[sangh0]

97. That's all you got?

I noticed you didn't even TRY to defend yourself.

[UpsideDownFlag]

100. i have a favor to ask.

would you put me on ignore? i've done it to you, but it's had no effect. i'm not sure why.

[sangh0]

101. request denied

If you don't want to read my posts, then why are you following me around from thread to thread?

[RapidCreek]

79. I'll answer it for you....Yes the DLC nominates DINO's

Does that make you happy? They nominate, pussies, panderers and vacillators.....and that sir is why they lost. Whether or not they are liberals or "moderates" (whatever the fuck a moderate is) is irrelevant.

Have a nice day!

RC

[sangh0]

81. HAHAHAHA!!!

Clinton was a DINO!!!!!

[RapidCreek]

88. Yep pretty much....

So what's you point?

RC

[sangh0]

90. HAHAHAHA!!

That was my point

[RapidCreek]

99. Oh ok....just checking

Hopefully you'll be spouting HAHAHAHA's when the WTO gives your job to a Pakistani.....and deregulated media tells you why it's such a positive thing that they did.

RC

[sangh0]

102. Oh, so now you're suddenly concerned about my job?

I believe ya!!

[UpsideDownFlag]

60. For the love of God, Sangho- are you the DU police??

BGL is has consistently had one some of the best progressive posts on DU. If you can't understand that the DLC is poison for the party, then just agree to disagree with him.

you flamed my posts when you disagreed

you flamed Mike C's posts when you disagreed. (and they got deleted)

now, you go after BGL. in case you haven't noticed, the time has come for some serious internal workings in the Democratic party.

[sangh0]

65. More personal testimony from "someone on the Internet'

If you're going to vouch for someone else, it helps if you have some credibility with the person you're vouching to. Since I don't know you from a hole in the wall, I really don't see why I should believe BGL merely because "someone on the Internet" says I should.

If you can't understand that the DLC is poison for the party, then just agree to disagree with him.

You obviously don't understand the OP, which refers to more than just the DLC.

[Cyrix]

91. Do you only watch FAUX news?

Gee kerry the most liberal? Here I was thinking Kennedy, for example, was more liberal. But oh that's right FAUX news and bush say kerry is the most liberal so it must be true.

[UpsideDownFlag]

92. the whole "most liberal senator" thing was RW horseshit from the get go

and you should know it. unless you like sounding like ed gillespie, who spouted that same talking point over and over for months.

[ScreamingMeemie]

84. No, but four years can yield a lot of progress when people start right

away. Right now, we don't even have a president.

[sangh0]

2. Umm, DFA is a Democratic org

.

[Guaranteed]

4. It's independant.

It supports Democratic candidates, but it's not part of the party.

[sangh0]

5. So you're gonna split by supporting Dems

Makes lot of sense....NONsense

[Guaranteed]

8. The election's over.

It's time for a change, Status Quo Sangh0.

[sangh0]

11. So you're gonna change to supporting the DNC to

supporting a group that supports the DNC.

Boy, you really know how to take it to the man, don't you?

[Guaranteed]

15. Somehow I don't think that's exactly the way it's gonna work.

;)

[sangh0]

28. You might want to tell that to Dean

because according to Dean, that's exactly how it works. Dean is working to build the Dem party. He's not leaving it.

[Guaranteed]

31. LOL when was the last time you talked to Dean? nt

[sangh0]

36. I was going to ask you

You're the one who wants to join his org, DFA, but you don't even know that Dean is 100% supportive of the DNC and their candidates.

[Guaranteed]

41. I know that Dean is 100% supportive of Dem candidates, but he's definitely

not so happy about the DNC and DLC about now.

[sangh0]

50. Dean is 100% in support of the DNC

but you'll lie about even while you agree with it.

[Guaranteed]

61. ROFL yes I'm sure Dean was very pleased with what happened on Tuesday.

When everything that he said would happen came true.

[sangh0]

69. Again you punk out

You've tried to argue that Dean is unhappy with the DNC even though he has expressed 100% support for it. When caught in your lie, instead of addressing it, you try to pretend you only said that Dean is unhappy with the election.

Even you won't defend your ridiculous bleatings. It's the only sign of intelligence you've shown in this thread.

[UpsideDownFlag]

68. ask dean how he feels about the DLC. not the DNC, the DLC.

which is, i believe, what the original content of the original post was about.

[sangh0]

71. Try reading the OP

I can understand why you would want to limit the discussion to the DLC. Then, you would have an argument.

Unfortunately for your argument here, the OP refers to a lot more than the DLC, a point you seem to want to forget.

which is, i believe, what the original content of the original post was about.

I have no idea where you got the idea that the OP was about the DLC only and not the DNC. The OP clearly refers to the Dem party. In which universe does the dem party mean the DLC?

From the OP:

the loser Democratic Party

Yep, a clear eference to the DLC

:crazy:

[TeacherCreature]

44. He supports the PARTY and is committed to working in it...

But that does NOT mean he likes the way it is being run.

Or should I say, run into the ground....

Believe me, I heard him speak eloquently to this point last week,

[sangh0]

He SUPPORTS the party

BGL does not.

[TeacherCreature]

12. We are going to build a movement to rebuild this broken party

What is so wrong with that?

Are you feeling especially empowered right now?

I'm not--I think we need to get together and get this ship off the reef and back at sea again.

And DFA may be one place where we can begin to do it.

[Guaranteed]

17. One thing you have to learn about sangh0-

he hates change, and he hates doing the right thing.

[sangh0]

24. One thing you have to learn about BullGooseLoony

aside from the aptness of his handle, is that when he has no argument, he retreats into personal attacks.

[sangh0]

19. You're gonna rebuild by leaving?

What is so wrong with that?

It's nonsense.

Are you feeling especially empowered right now?

Yes. Always have.

I'm not

You should.

And DFA may be one place where we can begin to do it.

That nay very well be true, but it's wacky to think that's "leaving the Dems"

[Guaranteed]

23. It's leaving the DLC, at the very least.

And that's what we need.

[sangh0]

32. The DLC named the #1 liberal in Congress to be our candidate?

What do you have against liberals?

[Guaranteed]

38. Um, yes. We've already been over this. nt

[sangh0]

40. Actually, you were too scared to answer

Not too surprising

[Guaranteed]

63. I answered it. Why don't YOU answer it, now?? nt

[sangh0]

73. You still haven't answered it

but you'll never admit it

[Goldmund]

55. You don't buy that #1 liberal bullshit, do you?

[RapidCreek]

86. Well of course he doesn't....it's just something he and his Neo-Con

pals like to throw out now and then.

RC

[sangh0]

89. Of course Kerry is the most liberal in Congress

.

[NYCGirl]

94. Kerry is the #11 Liberal (or lower), if you factor his entire career

http://www.factcheck.org/article284.html

[TeacherCreature]

6. We should invite the enlightened ones to join us at DFA.

And to other organizations and websites, some of which I am not allowed to mention here for some stupid reason, where the fight is being carried on right now.

There are many of us who fought the good fight and gave countless hours and money and even our souls to the Kerry effort even after we were treated like dog-poop by certain elements within the party and yes, even here on DU.

We have to rethink our strategy and reinvent the party. NOT by imitating the Repukes, but by outsmarting them and outarguing them.

Dean was right, in case you haven't noticed.

[Julien Sorel]

16. Which one of Dean's many proclamations

is "right," and what proves them so?

[TeacherCreature]

34. I was thinking in particular of Dean's ideas about..

Actually reaching out to evangelical voters, for one thing.

The Pukes exploit their fears, we could try appealing to their humanity and sense of citizenship.

For example.

[sangh0]

43. And how many evangelicals voted for Dean?

.

[TeacherCreature]

51. Not many I am sure. That is not the point.

The point we are at is this:

We just lost. We need to think of better ways to do this so we can win.

The idea is to begin discussing them.

It is called THINKING.

[sangh0]

56. You're not doing discussion

Discussion is a two way process. You're just looking to see how qualifies to be a Dem.

Too bad you have no power to enforce your dictats

[Julien Sorel]

47. To quote John Breaux

(a guy who knows a thing or two about winning the votes of evangelicals), "You aren't going to win in the South by taking Gods, guns, and gays off the table."

Not an exact quotation, but pretty close.

[KharmaTrain]

18. The "Enlightened" Ones???

And who would determine that?

I had a favorable impression of many who were pushing the DFA around here. That was before things got bad. Now it's not only everyone for themselves, but now some are going to judge who is a good Democrat from a bad one?

[TeacherCreature]

26. Those who are open to change, Those who can see clearly.

That could include you, for all I know,

[sangh0]

45. Did'ja here that IMRadioactive

You MIGHT qualify

Oh, happy joy-joy!!!

[TeacherCreature]

54. I don't know the person. I don't like to prejudge my colelagues.

You don' t build a movement by acting like a bully.

[sangh0]

62. You don' t build a movement by acting like a bully.

And telling us who and what a Dem is is how YOU act (or at least try) like a bully.

[KharmaTrain]

46. Sorry, Not For Me...

I'm taking a "partisan vacation" for a while...and I'm not up taking tests and being graded here.

There are some of us who are watching here in total disbelief/amusement at to how things have unraveled. You always learn the true nature of people when times are tough and truthfully, as a lifelong Democrat who spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on this election, It's gonna take a lot for me to get this involved again.

[sangh0]

74. That's their goal

They want to disrupt in order to foster the perception of futility.

[KharmaTrain]

83. That's Why I'm Sitting This One Out

I'll be back in two or four years and pick up what pieces are left. Right now there should be people reaching out, not separating.

Again, I had some good feelings toward the DFA, but some of the sanctimonious posts I've seen here over the past few days have turned me off big time.

[DaveinMD]

14. Clinton was DLC

we need to stop attacking each other and start firing our volleys toward the rightwing of this country.

[TeacherCreature]

21. And we need new tools and strategies to accomplish this.

Clinton was DLC in the 1980s.

DFA is about now.

[sangh0]

49. No, you just need to stop doing it

instead of blaming the big bad DLC for your own behaviors

[Joe the Revelator]

22. What happens when your savior take the head of the DNC

When Dean is head of the DNC (which i fully expect) your still going to leave the party?





Haha, see ya later, enjoy the fringe where NO one will listen to you

[Guaranteed]

27. That's where EVERYBODY is going, buddy.

This party is for LOSERS right now.

[Joe the Revelator]

42. haha this shit is thick....

No one is going anywhere. A few reactionary people like yourself may break off and flounder around for a while, but the democratic party will re-focus, appoint Dean as its head, and re-examine its message.

[Guaranteed]

52. Well appointing Dean would be a GREAT start, I have to admit.

We'll see if they're smart enough to do that, at least.

[Joe the Revelator]

64. Now you're talking....

focus your engergy on THAT goal, not leaving your party.

[Redleg]

25. Good luck with that.

You'll need it.

[Bush was AWOL]

29. Being progressive is fine

but many here that want to go even farther to the left mock the war on terror and want to cut defense spending. Regardless of whether you think you're right, in this age of the perception of terror (which is real, imo) you have no chance of getting anyone of your liking elected. The Democrats MUST match the Republicans on defense if they want to start winning in this era.

[Goldmund]

58. EVEN farther to the left

God...

[Bush was AWOL]

67. I should've said move more to the left

is not the answer. I'm sorry, but on defense we can't go further to the left right now.

[Frangible]

30. I'm sure the Republicans would love that, too

We need to be united with a strong candidate and have a clear and concise message in 2008, and reach out to the swing states we lost this year by defusing and mitigating the Republican's divisive "god, gays, and guns" points that eviscerated us this year. We will have to change and adapt to win in 2008. But dividing and infighting isn't going to win. Not to say we don't need some healthy constructive criticism, but "screw you guys, I'm going home" isn't a winning attitude.

[Guaranteed]

35. No, what the Republicans want is for us to start kissing their asses

and saying "Yes Master" like Dolstein and sangh0 suggest.

[Blue-Jay]

33. AH...wisdom in action.

Whatever, dude.

Start a Bull Goose Party instead, OK?

Here's the facts: We have a LOT of goddamned work to do, but cutting and running is a losing proposition, and you fucking well KNOW it. So go ahead and start your third party. Get back to us on how well it goes, jefe.

[johan helge]

37. Split up the Democrats? That would definitely please Rove!

[Walt Starr]

59. Sorry, but after our loss and evaluating the results

it's pretty clear to me, the DLC was fairly much correct. They aren't up to speed on how to frame the debate and they certainly are not acting strategically, but a centrist perception must be presented or the Democratic Party loses.

That doesn't mean complete abandonment of the issues. It means retreating on teh issues for now so that we can redefined them to be centrist. Attacking an overwhelming forces with outnumbnered is teh way of the fool.

A new way must be forged in order to win. If not, we are sunk.

[Blue-Jay]

77. Let's beat a dead horse!

PLEASE! Tell me how your new party is going to work! Tell me how it will win seats in the house or senate. Tell me how it's going to win the presidency!

Go ahead. I'll wait for you.

(That said; I'm no fan of the so-called leaders of the Democratic party either. I just think that we stand a better chance of changing the party from the inside that we stand in saying "Fuck it, we'll do this by ourselves". That tactic won't work and you KNOW it, so stop kidding yourself.)

[WilliamPitt]

82. K. Bye. When you get one Electoral College vote, let me know.

I won't hold my breath.

[Mick Knox]

93. Yep, look me up to

If you ever get anywhere.

Till then I'll take my best chance.

Thanks for nothing.

[TexasSissy]

96. Gee..the tone of your post REALLY makes me want to join your group....

not. (Here's a tip - in politics it helps to be, like, friendly to people you want to join your cause or contribute money.)

Have fun over there in Deanland. Tell Dean and all the others who didn't show up to vote for him in Iowa hello.

[sangh0]

98. The last thing he wants is to encourage Dem activism

Not everyone on DU is our friend.

[TexasSissy]

103. Oh, I see. Gotcha. Glad to hear it.

[Moderator]

104. Locking

This is all flaming....