Do you still believe Michael Moore?

[LiberteToujours]

"The majority of this country is liberal"? It's getting harder and harder for me, especially when I see those gay marriage initiatives. What pisses me off the most are the black people who support it. Maybe I should become a racist just for kicks. The hypocrisy really riles me up.

[Texasgal]

1. Yes...I do believe in him...

Here we are pointing fingers...The bottom line is, we didn't get to enough people... HALF of us are libs and the other half isn't. That's not going to make me NOT believe in Micheal Moore...I mean, good god, he probably helped us more than we know...lay off!!!

[LiberteToujours]

5. But do you believe him?

I don't mean believe in him ... his heart is in the right place and I love him. But I find it hard to believe his figures about the majority of the country being liberal.

[Texasgal]

6. He;s fucking correct!

I mean really... what was it? 47% to 53%? I would say that fits with his belief. You also have to count the folks out there that are uneducated about politics in general... they are most likely BU-SHIES!

On edit: I can't spell!

[GreenArrow]

8. half of us didn't vote

.

[AuntPatsy]

2. I believe in him too, he does not deserve this hostility from those

he fought hard for...

[TexasSissy]

3. Depends on what he means by liberal. I never heard him say that.

What's with all these gay marriage posts? Is that what people thought this election was about?

[sonicx]

4. he wasnt talking about gays, he was talking about health care, education

gun control, etc. basic stuff.

problem is, issues like 'the queers' and the 'baby killin' get more attention by certain people.

[zulchzulu]

7. People STILL are not voting AND if asked on issues, are liberal

I don't know how many times I've talked to dittoheads who would love to say someone (like me) is an "environmental wacko".

But...

Ask the same person if he/she wants to have the land near where he lives to be a dump site or turn into a logging factory, you can bet they would disagree with that.

Ask them is they don't mind more mercury in their water for their kids and grandkids and you'd see them get very angry at the mere thought.

Additionally, many people STILL didn't vote, which means even get off their ass and attempt to vote.

[okieinpain]

9. maybe you should, but please ask who they voted for before

you lay the smack down.

[lgardengate]

10. No, I think he screwed us up! He turned off mod/undecideds and

made a good attack add for Bush by mouthing off about "THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT"

That made him look foolish and Bush linked him to us.

[sonicx]

11. Bush didn't made that ad. A bush of Fox News freaks did.

It was an ad for an anti-MM movie.

BTW, it's not MM's job to get undecideds to vote for Kerry.

[betterdeadthanred]

14. Please

He has done more to educate regular people about the lie that was told to start the Iraq war than our so called media ever would have.

Who would have ever guessed that stopping 2 people wanting to get married was more of a priority to the wingnuts than the sons and daughters (not theirs!) getting killed in Iraq or Osama. If you are going to attack anyone, attack them!

[Tomee450]

16. Have you forgotten

how Bill Clinton was treated? Was Michael Moore responsible for any of that? And how about Al Gore, was Michael Moore responsible for the way the Repubs and media ridiculed him? People need to understand that it doesn't matter what Democrat runs, he will be severely attacked and anyone who shows support for him will be also. That's the way the right wing plays it these days and the Democrats just have to be prepared for the fight. Until we get widespread access to the media and find smart, alert spokesmen it will continue to be very difficult for the Democrats to get their message across. It wasn't Moore but the biased news media that aided in the defeat of Kerry.

[Was_Immer]

12. F**K him

he didnt cost us the election, the issues the democratic party supports cost us the election.

[AuntPatsy]

13. What are you talking about? The democratic party should stand

behind the issues it represents that concerns ALL Americans, exactly what issues are you talking about?

[Was_Immer]

17. GAY issues and ABORTION!

PEOPLE 3/4 of america doesnt give two s**ts about gay issues and abortion, STOP forcing it upon US.

Im sick of how my party got invaded by these issues! They cost us the election

[kwolf68]

20. Yep

All you need to do is show two dudes swapping spit in front of a court house and say, "Coming to a Church near you" and the religious people will stop it butt cold.

I listened to an AM talk show this morning with Democrats calling up saying they liked Kerry, supported many of his policies, but had a real problem with forcing gay marriage onto them.

It isn't just bible-thumping rednecks who have a real problem with gay marriage. They should have just left well enough alone. NO ONE has a problem with hate crimes or discrimination laws for gay people. That doesn't inspire 90 million people to vote and many moderate Democrats to go to teh other guy.

But when you start forcing your idea that marriage is for gay people, then get ready for a beating. You will lose this everytime. I take a position in that I don't care, but I don't support it either. It makes no difference to me. But for many, it motivates them.

[sampsonblk]

15. Issues? What issues?

Bush is their saint. So what that he's going to fuck up their social security. The people I talked to didn't believe me. They and many others have chosen to believe anything Bush says, no matter how ridiculous.

What we really needed was some backbone from our party leaders before this messiah crap got out of hand. But they went right along with it until the election season started. That's too damn late.

[Tomee450]

18. I couldn't agree with you more.

"What we really needed was some backbone from our party leaders before this messiah crap got out of hand. But they went right along with it until the election season started."

The Democrats have had four years to get their act together but failed to do so.

[Riverman]

19. EGO In the Way

I met Michael Moore twice and talked with him. I deeply appreciate the role that Michael Moore has played in the last several years using his unique and powerful skill to educate folks about what is going on with his entertaining and educational, truthful movies. He deserves huge thanks from progressive forces for his tireless efforts.

Now, the the criticism. Michael allows his ego to get in the way of successfully communicating a message that must be provided to the people of this country. Much of his message is wrapped up in "it's about me" rather than showing his movies and stepping aside to let people see and hear the message. By injecting himslef, on film and being up in front, the focus shifts from the message of the movie to him. Then he becomes the target and the subject of debate. Rather than the debate being about the information in his films which are some of the most powerful ever put on celluloid - he deserved his Oscar.

By the way I feel the same about Al Franken.