More I look at the NUMBERS, the ANGRIER I get at the DNC

[jackstraw45]

How could they give up so fast, the morning after, without even LOOKING at the numbers for major voting irregularities?!?!?

What happened to the ARMIES of lawyers?

The Optical Scan machine results in Florida, by Diebold, are SERIOUSLY F-ed up.

The Franklin County, OH numbers are also SERIOUSLY messed up in places.

Reminds me of the OJ jury listening to evidence for MONTHS AND MONTHS and giving a verdict in 20 minutes. They had 4 YEARS to prepare for this possible theft. ALL they needed was Ohio. Why not take a few days to look at the numbers as we are now? The country would have survived....

See: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

See: http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04UnofficialResults/Unofficial%20Abstract%20of%20Votes%20General%202004.pdf

By conceding so easily, they allow Bushco to speak of "mandates" and invite MILLIONS of voters to NEVER trust enough to vote again.

[aquart]

1. The election was stolen. Our leaders refused to say so.

How can they still be our leaders?

[jackstraw45]

5. WE THE PEOPLE, my friend....

It's up to you and me and everyone here.

Any election law attorneys in the house?

[Doohickie]

23. This is getting old...

[bullimiami]

2. me too

in the morning edwards is saying we count every vote and then in the afternoon kerry doenst even put up as much fight as gore.

all i can hope is that this is a massive eye opening surprise to them and they get on the ball.

[Abelman]

3. DNC needs better leadership

Dean for chairman!

[Zeke]

8. No, Better Yet...

Art Torres for DNC Chairman.

He's the CA State Dem Chair now and is smooth and perfect for growing the Hispanic & Cuban vote and over all vote.

He's a class act.

[flying_blind]

4. I could not post this in LBN, but see Grag Palast's reporting:

(Pardon me reposting this important link twice more, Mods)

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
Kerry won. Here are the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with—and therefore contaminated by—the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted.

Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I'm sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.

The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called "spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don't you believe it ... it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.

[KittyWampus]

6. The Concession Was Legally Meaningless. Prove There's No

investigation going on now... or this thread is inflammatory in nature.

The votes are still being COUNTED.

You want Kerry to call fraud without hard evidence?

The media would crucify him.

You wanted Kerry NOT To concede?

There's be a Media Circus down in Ohio AND Florida AND NM that would make 2000 look tame.

[jackstraw45]

7. The media circus puts PRESSURE on election officials

to count ALL the votes CORRECTLY.

Now they can count them, not count them, toss em in the garbage and make up numbers or let Diebold release the numbers in a memo.

The concession was done with his heart and not his mind.

[KittyWampus]

17. Pressure? That Worked REAL Well In 2000 (sarcasm)

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. No, they did not

Miami Dade's canvassing board shut down their recount because of the staged riot. They never resumed counting after that.

Keep in mind that one of the ringleaders of the riot was on the payroll of the chairman of the three member board.

[hollywood926]

10. He would have looked like a sore loser, but I hope we keep counting! nt

[jackstraw45]

11. Just because Rethugs YELL something, doesn't make it true

The GOP would have fought TOOTH and NAIL if the roles were reversed.

NO doubt.

[Lorien]

25. No doubt at all

almost makes a person wonder if the fix was in from the get go.

[Old and In the Way]

9. I agree...something's up, methinks.

Given the way corporate media would frame this fight, Kerry would be smart to keep his fight lowkey. I remember how Gore got shafted by the Republican media, why would Kerry follow the same path?

[jackstraw45]

18. Momentum...

We have none and Bush has his "mandate."


Unless we get sepeonas out NOW, we'll never get to the bottom of this.

They have until December to clean up their fraud...unless we act NOW.

I wish I was an attorney or was rich and could hire one for us.

[LTRS]

12. Well I didn't think so at first, but it seems

pretty clear at this point. GD him for conceeded so early! I guess that means we have to do the job for him. Hammer this with the press -- ALL OF US - until they stand up and take notice. Don't send the press speculation, just cold hard facts like in the two links above. Act polite, but concerned.

Something is going on here, and if we let them get away with it we will never have free elections again.

[MattG]

15. It would be cool to see the Diebold guys and

W getting shoved into a police car while Boston Moving Co. Trucks are in the back ground. :eyes:

[Tangledog]

13. I've said it before and I'll say it again

John Kerry is very intelligent -- we all know that -- and he has never given any indication of scaring easily.

The _last_ thing he needs to do right now is go tinfoil without better proof than what we have now. The concession speech took him out of the "sore loser" sweepstakes, and to some extent threw the focus back on Shrubbie, who is predictably acting like he just took the best dump of his life.

Now let's let the Freeped precincts do their thing. Kerry is going to come back looking so damn leaderlike....when the time is right.

Like I say, John Kerry is not stupid.

[jackstraw45]

14. John Kerry tells the TRUTH

He is an HONEST man.

A concession is a CONCESSION = to CONCEDE.

His tears were real. To him, it's over, IMO.

[KoKo]

20. Well he's honest but does that make Gore dishonest for trying to get the

truth out in Florida? And, didn't Kerry/Edwards promise to "count every vote?" :shrug:

[Dancing_Dave]

16. We need to prosecute the largest systematic election fraud in U.S. History

It's not just "counting all the votes", it's describing the overall pattern including illegally preventing millions from voting, use of unreliable voting machines made by companies known to be loyal to the Republican party (which we did successfully stop before the election in a few places), and so on. We have to describe the whole nauseating and largely illegal plot by which Rove and the gang stole the election.

If we don't bring them to Justice for their crimes, they will just continue and steal every election from now on.

If our "leaders" lack the courage to fight these attrocities (again!), we need to purge all such bogus "leaders" from the party, and find some leaders who believe in Democracy, not plutocracy. Or create a new party--either way, we need to leave those bogus cowards in the dust, and fight for Truth and Justice!!!

[jackstraw45]

19. Yes!

We need to fight and I feel us, at DU, brainstorming in our "fighting and acrimony."

We will NEVER have faith in our elections unless we investigate this.

[m berst]

21. agreed

It is up to us. Before the election we all said that the Bush people would stop at nothing. We all said that the threat was a stolen election and unimaginable tyranny after that. For whatever Kerry and the DNC may or may not be doing, that is no cause for us to lose focus or to give up.

The Bush administration is very, very weak and vulnerable right now. Many Republicans are questioning what has just happened. They are absolutely depending on us rolling over.

Now that the campaign is out of the way the field is clearer and our options are greater. At least half of the people in the country are on our side. This isn't about winning an election for the party it is about saving the country. The campaign was a tool in this effort, not the end of the line. There was a danger in ABB and in putting all our eggs in one basket. It failed. Now that phase is behind us and we must pull together and move forward.

The stolen election is part of a massive campaign to steal everything and destroy our democracy. They are vulnerable now because the crime just happened and the evidence trail is fresh and because people are aware and motivated now. Don't let it get stale. Don't let Bush and crew get a breather and a chance to cover their tracks.

The people of Falujah, and the poor people and minority people in our own country, and the young people who will be going to war ALL are depending on us.

The cheating in this election is much more obvious and much more widespread than it was in 2000. Almost everyone here has been saying for months that we would not roll over next time. "Next time" is now.

[phish420]

22. I agree. Kick! nt

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

24. Maybe * had Kerry by the short and curlies.

Who knows, maybe someone got on a red phone and called someone else, and Cat-5 planes were taking off, and Kerry's concession saved us all from GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR. Dude, beats me. I just can't believe Kerry would walk away from a winnable fight.