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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:29 PM
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Poll question: For the Democratic Party to prevail ...
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:32 PM
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1. Other: More Republican in political tactics, media savvy, dirty tricks
We need a Democratic Karl Rove. If we fought half as dirty as they do, we'd win.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 AM
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16. Hindsight
if we had plastered flyers on every windshield in every church parking lot with Bush's statement about his party having the wrong position on civil unions, WE'd have 100 celebration threads on DU.
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Azure Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:37 PM
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2. Other: It should embrace a new federalism.
Move to blue states, and let the red states have what they want. When they implode due to Republican policies, they will either turn blue or or face the consqeunces of their own choices. Time to demand som "responsibility" and "accountability" from the red states. They made their choice, let them eat cake.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:48 PM
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3. Support a Consitutional Amendment which explicitly allows
civil unions with all the rights of marriage, but bans "gay marriage" in those words.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:50 PM
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4. More libertarian, radical (less authoritarian) and more federalist
sorry if others don't agree -- but some people apparently think the above three things equate "Republicanism" -- but they don't, and they're being naiive as to what we're really dealing with, here.

I say separate the states out while we still have a chance.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:04 PM
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5. Champion the cause of voters rights
and demand, and follow through on, fair elections. Our leadership needs to stop being a bunch of repuke enablers and grow some balls. If we were as tough as the repukes, they wouldn't get away with half their shit. This caving before the votes are counted is the most egregious example I've ever seen. Can you imagine Rove allowing the chimp to meekly concede before every last vote was fought over? I didn't think so.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:04 PM
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6. Other: rights are not "majority rules"
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:05 PM
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7. Other: bring back elections
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:06 PM
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8. More of the religious left (like me) need to shout more.
The fundies don't represent my belief in Christ.
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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:07 PM
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10. This is what we need
We need people who are moderate on gay rights, abortion (like isnt for banning abortion but wants to make concerted efforts to limit it), gun control, and religion.

Its our only hope.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:18 AM
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18. I agree. And raise money.
Your bretheren are better funded than you are. That is why they are so powerful.

Maybe you guys can write some sort of counter left behind books that ridicule the fundies and make millions?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:07 PM
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9. It should become more Republican on winning elections.
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:10 PM
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11. "more republican". No.
Who defines the definition of this...republicans?
We are dems. We gave this country:
The eight hour workweek
The right of the average worker to not be taken advantage of
The right of women to vote
The civil rights act
The voting rights act
Social Security

We need to be dems again-reclaim the rhetoric and be who we are.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:11 PM
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12. To win, the Democratic Party must declare it is moving to the center
then reframe every last bit of the rhetoric and spin that rhetoric as "mainstrem" and "centrist".

We must also accept tactical short term losses on key issues in order to achieve long term strategic goals.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:30 AM
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23. Exactly
What's so bad about centrist anyway? Why should one ideology have a monopoly on the other? Centrist is the best way to rule this country.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:14 PM
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13. dumbass poll!
your use of the word republican so many times makes me sick!
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:56 AM
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14. From Republican that backed Kerry
In 1980 the South had 26 Democratic Senators, today it has 4. If you look at the national "red versus blue" map at both State and County level it is not hard to see that the DNC has become very isolated from the mainstream of this nation.

2 to 1 Americans classify themselves as conservatives and many moderates vote to the right, not the left on many issues.

Bush has one Achilles Heel that will bring him down, take the wind out of his Imperial Sails and that is 9-11.

I was part of the 9-11 Confronting the Evidence in NYC this year. I was part of the criminal complaint that was delivered to Eliot Spitzer on October 28, 2004.

Over 55 million voted against and many of those voters were ecumenical Christians you people are blindly bashing. They were Conservative Republicans and Libertarians that crossed over to try to stop the Bush Junta and the fascism that is represents.

Right here in Arkansas - two key counties that NEVER vote REP did vote Republican this year. Jefferson and Nevada counties and there were others.

The problem with DNC is DNC and that it represents the fringe left and that is NOT America folks. 2 to 1 says this nation is a conservative nation and one that puts certain values front and center every time.

www.karlschwarz.com

http://www.reopen911.org/petition.php

http://www.justicefor911.org/

All of this talk about running Hillary Clinton in 2008. The RNC has been ready to destroy her since 1994. The strategy that took the House and Senate away from Clinton was designed and largely financed by me. Again, run Hillary, rash into the side of the mountain. They are just waiting for another stupid DNC move.

I took a stand for America, freedom, a turning away from Imperialism and fascism. I have received hundreds of emails from Dems asking what to do now. Frankly, DNC is not "resuscitate-able" in its current form. Lest no one noticed, Bush now controls a stronger US Senate and that is more frightening than him being there for 4 more years.

Every person that voted against Bush should be on those petitions linked above.

It is the only hope you have to stopping Bush, and I am the only Republican of the 100 original names on the petition.

If you have not done so, go to my website under Articles and read the DEMAND LETTER that I sent to Bush September 30, 2004 about 7 hours before the first debate and THEN - get this CLEARLY INTO YOUR HEADS -

that DEMAND LETTER was sent to DNC and Kerry too and they did not use it in the debates to evicerate Bush. CONSIDER THAT!

Both sides of the aisle are covering up 9-11 folks, who did it, who is profiting from it and they are AMERICANS.

Ashcroft was forced to resign due to that letter and I was advised from DC yesterday to NOT accept that as the sacrificial offering and let the rest of the DOERS OF 9-11 OFF THE HOOK!

Wake up Dems.

Karl

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:26 AM
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19. I don't agree that the US is conservative at all.
I think most Americans prefer to be neither. I do believe that letting 9-11 accountability slip away is the worst thing the party has ever done next to letting them Diebold our elections and RWers buying up the media.

Also the DLC by no means represents the radical wing of the party. The radicals are the ones wanting 9-11 investigations and such and we are ridiculed and ignored by the power structure even though we are probably a majority of the party.

Stick around and you will truly find out why it sucks to be us.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:06 AM
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15. It should become LESS Republican on EVERYTHING
Fuck the Republicans and their moles, the DLC. If the Republicans can't kick the fascists out of their own party, tough shit. They can't have ours anymore. We may have succeeded in getting some of the real Democratic base to the polls in an attempt to remove that fucking fascist piece of shit Bush Jr, but obviously not enough. Go back to being the Democratic party and that will change for the better. I'm in total agreement with Michael Moore on this one. We ARE the majority, so it's time to act like it and stop caving in to a bunch of shithead sisterfuckers who think two homosexuals getting married is more of a threat than a drunken cokehead moron lying us into wars.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:14 AM
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17. Other: It should become less Republican. Period.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:27 AM
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20. This is silly. If someone disagrees with you on an issue that's not
even in the Dem. Party Platform, it does not mean that person is more "Republican." Silly.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:27 AM
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21. There are more ideas in the world
and more ways to pitch them than the ones that that have been proposed by the Democrats or the Republicans.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:28 AM
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22. It should fight to fix the election system that is screwing it over
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FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:45 AM
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24. Look what's missing: economic issues
The Democratic party will not succeed in the culturally conservative climate of this country until it clearly identifies itself as the party representing the interests of the working class: pro-union, pro-workers rights, pro-regulation, pro-tariff, anti-NAFTA, anti-WTO.

Economic issues appeal to voters across party lines, similar to issues of national security. Unfortunately, through its dependence on corporate contributions and the subversive actions of groups such as the DLC, the party has abandoned its most powerful weapon in the fight against the rise of neo-fascism in this country.

Progressive social issues will not guide us to victory in conservative areas; a progressive economic stance will.
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