Should We Support Inter-Racial Marriage? It's Costing Us Votes!

[phrenzy]

You bigots make me sick.

So, we shouldn't fight for equal rights because it is a 'losing issue'?

Yes even you Democrat bigots. You may be a Democrat, but you are no different from a banjo strumming hick in the back woods who was 'uncomfortable' with the idea of a black man getting married to a white woman. "GAAAWD" just didn't mean it to be that way.

You can try to sugar coat your bigotry any way you want. Claim that you are not 'against' gays. Riiiight, you just don't want them to have the same rights that you do.

If you want to follow that philosophy I would be delighted to lose your membership in my party.

I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

[Bluebear]

1. Yes, too much too soon. Let's hold up on this.

:shrug:

[theboss]

2. I don't think anyone is saying that

I think it's obvious though that we got absolutely bludgeoned by the gay marriage issue and in turn set the cause of gay rights back probably a generation.

Something got fucked up. It's not bigoted to think of a better approach.

Everyone who has been discussing this favors Gay Rights; I favor gay marriage. But because of what happened in this election cycle, not only is gay marriage an impossibility but basic civil rights for gays are in jeopardy. If you are a gay man in Mississippi, you are officially less free than you were last week.

So we have to approach this issue in a way that allows us to make progress without getting everything taken away in one swoop.

[phrenzy]

3. No.

At a point in time the civil rights act seemed an impossibility.

With people like you we would have just 'waited' around for people to 'allow' it.

That is not how issues like this work.

[theboss]

6. Am I saying abandon the fight?

Do you realize that school districts were still fighting desegregation in the 80s? The Civil Rights movement was a 50-year-struggle. It was a long, slow struggle that eventually won by sheer moral imperative.

I believe in everything the most radical gay rights activist believes in. But tactics matter, and we got horribly outflanked on this issue because we had failed to lay the groundwork and were unprepared to defend it.

[davepc]

9. the republicans pushed the civil rights act through congress

Because they knew it would splinter the Democratic party.

[Bluebear]

5. YOU keep saying we got bludgeoned by it, friend

Why does the media claim that the exit polls that say this election was driven by moral values, yet the exit polls that say Kerry won are invalid?

[kdmorris]

7. I haven't seen much of the "frame it a different way"

It's been more of a "Should we throw them out?", "Should we make them admit that they failed us?" type of attitude.

I'm hoping that the people saying this are just Republican plants. Because otherwise, there's some really serious issues here.

I'm a Progressive. I end up voting Democrat because it's the only game in town that can beat Republicans. The basic idea that I try to live my life by is EQUALITY. For EVERYONE. Yes, even the knuckle-dragging, right wing rednecks that voted for Bush. I'm having difficult time right now remembering that I'm fighting for them too, because I'm pretty upset with them.

EVERYONE.. should have the right to love and happiness. I am one of the lucky ones. I met the most wonderful man, who shares so many of my thoughts and feelings. He and I can talk about anything and just having him here the last few days has made me feel so much less alone. BUT, on top of that, I also get the RIGHTS and PRIVLEDGES that others cannot get. Gay and Lesbian couples can find the same love and lack of loneliness, but they cannot have what I have. It's forbidden by a pack of bigots.

If my husband gets hurt, I am allowed to make medical decisions for him. That makes sense, since I spend more time with him and share more thoughts with him than his parents do right now. But they don't get that privledge. They have to hope that their partner's "real" next of kin are kind enough to allow them to make those decisions.

If my husband dies, I am entitled to Social Security Widow's benefits. Not if my husband was only my partner. If I die, my husband automatically gets all my stuff (the right of survivorship). Not for "those" people, though. Nope, if the house is in one partner's name, the other doesn't automatically get the house upon death. We get the right to file a joint tax return, to have health insurance for each other. Marriage (or even a Civil Union) confers so many rights upon a couple that gay and lesbian couples are BANNED from having. One of my friends has an entire BOX of legal papers designed to TRY to mimic marriage. I have ONE piece of paper.

This is terribly wrong, people. And, on top of the sheer wrongness of the situation, many of the gay people that I know GAVE UP on that issue for this election, in order to get Bush out. WE (yes, WE) asked them to give up their chance to have what all of us are allowed to have so that we could get Bush out. And now, we turn on them. That's the lowest form of betrayal I can think of. GEORGE BUSH made it about gay marriage. To appeal to the bigoted homophobes. To get them out to vote. And I REFUSE to become one of them.

[theboss]

8. Never mind

I apparently missed one big-ass thread.

[robbedvoter]

4. Or sex - to much sex on teevee makes the wingnuts unhapy

I say we preach abstinence and kick the heathens and atheists too while at it.