It's not gays, not the DNC, not Kerry, or DU, IT IS FRAUD, PURE & SIMPLE

[irancontra]

believe your eyes people. They did it in 2000, 2002, & again this year. Just because rovian tactics make it seem legit, we know the deal, right DUer's? I mean read Greg Palast http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0, read the Exit Polling, read about Ken Blackwell & Glenda Hood... It is like every other thing the Rethug machine pulls off... it slips by & it takes years for Dems to finally realize they've been had.

GET Rid of voting machines. Focus on message. Get rid of machines. Focus on Message. GET Rid of voting machines. Focus on message. Get rid of machines. Focus on Message.

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Time to shout the "F" word

everywhere...FRAUD! plain and siple

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[foo_bar]

10. ...fraud

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Zb6TgzOomW4J:www.blog.johnkerry.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi%3Fentry_id%3D416

[m berst]

2. yes

Challenge the fraud and everything else will fall into place and all other concerns will be taken care of. Fail to challenge the fraud and all is lost, not just for the Democratic party but for the country, and by extension much of the population of the world.

Do it for your children and grandchildren, do it for the people in detention, do it for the people of Falujah. Do it for the people in service who's lives are at risk. Do it for the poor and gay and lesbian people and the minority people who will soon be targeted. This is the most important thing you will ever do.

Demand a full investigation of this election.

No decent and honorable Republican will oppose us in this, and 50% of the people will absolutely support us immediately. The alternatives are too horrific to contemplate.

[Ladyhawk]

3. YES. Stop blaming everyone else and blame the GOP. FRAUD! nt

[Kerry in 04]

4. FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tilsammans]

5. Ditto!

Tellin' it like it is. Fraud, plain and simple.

[irancontra]

6. do not let up. this election WILL BE THE LAST STOLEN ELECTION.

we need to start screaming at the top of lungs about this issue & 9/11. Impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. Even if it is technically impossible, the mindset should be there.

[Cleita]

8. Thanks for saying this.

As far as the stupid issues that the propaganda media labeled us with, well maybe we will get our own truth media going to trump them in the future. I hope we do.

[City Lights]

9. Maybe "fraud" is the tagline for our blue/black bracelets. eom

[Selatius]

11. If the Democratic leadership wasn't so fucking paralyzed,

They would be the ones shouting fraud along with us. If there was anyone that was detecting fraud, then wouldn't it have been the leadership as well as their lawyers raising the red flags first instead of us? Why do you think few of us here alone are mentioning this?

Could it be that our Democratic Party leadership is full of careerists who don't want to rock the fucking boat when it needs to be rocked? Could it be the damn corporatists who have infected the party advocating the "move to the right" formula to win elections in order to achieve the goal of limited government and deregulation?

Dean was a better candidate anyway. He had everything going for him. He was charismatic, and he wasn't untainted by things such as NAFTA, the Iraq War Resolution, and Patriot Act, and Bush's tax cuts like Kerry was. Hell, even Kucinich wasn't tainted by any of these. Both Dean and Kucinich had a populist message, but Kucinich didn't have the likeability of Dean. I knew the second Dean mentioned breaking up the news media oligopoly, he was fucking finished. They destroyed him by slowly insinuated that he was unstable and poor tempered.

If the party leadership wasn't so corrupt and weak over the last several decades, they never would have allowed this kind of consolidation of the news outlets as well as the construction of the Republican machine starting in the 1970s to go unanswered, but they did, so now we have to live with the consequences of poor leadership.

It's time to remove them and replace them with a new generation that is not afraid to take risks. Fuck that. How about WE steer the party instead of hoping some great leader pops up out of nowhere to lead us? Either we hope they wake up, or we will co-opt the leadership the way the corporatists and the evengelicals co-opted the Republican apparatus.

[LTRS]

12. Yes, it is definitely fraud and we have proof

See Gahanna thread in the voting problems section. It was DU that made this AP story below happen. But the point is that this, and the threads on the Flordia ballots showing huge (and I mean HUGE) numbers of DEMS supposedly voting for Bush in very Dem counties is indicative of wholesale theft of this election! And they are simply going to play off every instance in which they were caught as an "oops, sorry, we'll fix that. Don't know how this could have happened!"

If we take this shit, we are purely stupid. Right now, today, we need to spread the word to every blog, every newspaper, and every politician we know personally that we aren't going to give another dime to any Dem candidate until they fix our voting system.

We need to start a movement, and we need to start it today, because the wheels grind slowly. Are you with me?

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10103910.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A computer error with a voting machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there. The other 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

Damschroder said he received some calls Thursday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

[KWBS]

13. From a Repulican that backed Kerry - Edwards

In 1980 the South had 26 Democratic Senators, today it has 4. If you look at the national "red versus blue" map at both State and County level it is not hard to see that the DNC has become very isolated from the mainstream of this nation.

2 to 1 Americans classify themselves as conservatives and many moderates vote to the right, not the left on many issues.

Bush has one Achilles Heel that will bring him down, take the wind out of his Imperial Sails and that is 9-11.

I was part of the 9-11 Confronting the Evidence in NYC this year. I was part of the criminal complaint that was delivered to Eliot Spitzer on October 28, 2004.

Over 55 million voted against and many of those voters were ecumenical Christians you people are blindly bashing. They were Conservative Republicans and Libertarians that crossed over to try to stop the Bush Junta and the fascism that is represents.

Right here in Arkansas - two key counties that NEVER vote REP did vote Republican this year. Jefferson and Nevada counties and there were others.

The problem with DNC is DNC and that it represents the fringe left and that is NOT America folks. 2 to 1 says this nation is a conservative nation and one that puts certain values front and center every time.

www.karlschwarz.com

http://www.reopen911.org/petition.php

http://www.justicefor911.org /

All of this talk about running Hillary Clinton in 2008. The RNC has been ready to destroy her since 1994. The strategy that took the House and Senate away from Clinton was designed and largely financed by me. Again, run Hillary, rash into the side of the mountain. They are just waiting for another stupid DNC move.

I took a stand for America, freedom, a turning away from Imperialism and fascism. I have received hundreds of emails from Dems asking what to do now. Frankly, DNC is not "resuscitate-able" in its current form. Lest no one noticed, Bush now controls a stronger US Senate and that is more frightening than him being there for 4 more years.

Every person that voted against Bush should be on those petitions linked above.

It is the only hope you have to stopping Bush, and I am the only Republican of the 100 original names on the petition.

If you have not done so, go to my website under Articles and read the DEMAND LETTER that I sent to Bush September 30, 2004 about 7 hours before the first debate and THEN - get this CLEARLY INTO YOUR HEADS -

that DEMAND LETTER was sent to DNC and Kerry too and they did not use it in the debates to evicerate Bush. CONSIDER THAT!

Both sides of the aisle are covering up 9-11 folks, who did it, who is profiting from it and they are AMERICANS.

Ashcroft was forced to resign due to that letter and I was advised from DC yesterday to NOT accept that as the sacrificial offering and let the rest of the DOERS OF 9-11 OFF THE HOOK!

Wake up Dems.

Karl

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. No doubt

about it!

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FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Maiden England]

15. Stop thinking like a Repuke and remember things are not always simple

Yes, without a doubt there is a lot of evidence of fraud, and by that I mean BBV. However, remember that in real world, its not often one thing, but a spectrum that contributes to a situation.
You cannot ignore that the evangelicals GOTV in record numbers. You cannot ignore, they are mostly controlled by a propaganda machine not seen since Nazi Germany in the form of the cable news organizations and some of the networks. You cannot ignore that some of the votes, can't be found because they were never cast, due to organized voter intimidation and shredded democratic registrations and challenges to peoples right to vote at the polling stations themselves.
Thats why its so hard to argue about the theft of the election, because they were waging war on so many fronts we couldn't keep up. Its a spectrum of deceit and its much harder to use against them, than a shiny brand new smoking gun.

[LisaL]

17. If one electronic machine can give Bush

almost 4,000 extra votes-what does it tell you?
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/election/election-president.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/05/20041105-A6-01.html

[Woody Box]

16. kick