John Edwards/Wesley Clark: dream 08 ticket

[malatesta1137]

granted, not the kind of brains and sophistication of a John Kerry, but they are from the South and some evangelical nutbags might like them.

except that by 2008, e-voting will be totaling 75% and Giuliani will win in a landslide even in Massachusetts. I mean, if Bush's 'bring it on' wars by then don't wipe the US off the face of the Earth, that is.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Make it Clark/Edwards and I'll go for it.

Clark has Kerry's brains and then some. But if everybody's gone to electronic voting it will be hopeless; we could put up a ticket consisting of Jesus and Buddha and they'd still lose to Jeb Bush/Bill Frist.

:puke:

[PopSixSquish]

3. Either Works for Me!

[malatesta1137]

4. I don't think Edwards would go for VP again

and the primaries proved that Edwards has greater electoral clout.

[AP]

2. I don't think we need sophistication. We need simplicity. We need to say

more with fewer words.

[Tweed]

15. Bingo

[sampsonblk]

5. I will never vote for Edwards again

Like many others, I put my beliefs aside to vote vote these two because I thought we'd win. I even worked hard to convince others to vote for them. But I have made up my mind never again to vote for a candidate I don't really support. And I definitely do not support John Edwards. No way, no how. And I ain't the only Dem that feels that way.

[KharmaTrain]

6. Let's Make It To Jan. 1, 2005 First

This party has a long way to go before pipedreaming play candidates for the next play election.

Personally, right now any candidate that is electioneering, or their proxies, is a MAJOR turn-off. So is the "if Clark was running" or "if Dean was running"...they lost in the primaries and would have lost just as bad, if not worse, on Tuesday. Nuff said.

Before we start the next Don Quixote ride into the windmills, allow some of us the luxuary of really looking at what caused this loss and see if there's ways of rebuilding...or starting anew.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. I tend to agree -- 4 years is a very long time in politics.

A whole lot can and probably will change, even by 2006. Who knows what sort of pernicious mischief Bush will have perpetrated by then? Will he still have the support of the same misbegotten alliance of fundie whack jobs, yuppie greedheads and neocon triumphalists? Will we hate him even more than we do now? Will some new, interesting Democrats surface as viable candidates? Will this year's candidates even want to try it again? Who knows? For now, we just need to regroup, work on grassroots organization, and wait to see what develops.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Amen...Finally One Voice Of Sanity Here

Actually I don't expect much to change in the next couple years. Bunnypants gets another honeymoon next year and who knows what other misadventures he'll be getting into...one thing for certain, it won't be good and it will be screwed up.

The fundie will forever think of this boy as a diety, the greedheads will think they're making money while it's stolen from their wallets in local taxes, gas pumps and consumer prices and remain ignorant and the neo-cons will remain neo-cons.

Honestly, there's not a single candidate in 2004 that I would support in 2008 right now...including Hillary. I'd love to hear new voices and I'll be listening for them. There are a few here that should be heard...and that it's time to really see how we got our asses handed to us and what it would take to rebuild and ensure this doesn't happen again.

Sadly, I remember this same drill in past elections only to see the party splinter into special interest factions...and only united behind our hatred of this regime as opposed to love of our own party or the people it represents. If we can't realize this, there's no need for a Democratic party.

[2Design]

8. edwards did not pull in nc - so he is out

[AP]

9. K-E didn't run in NC. And nobody used Gore's failure to win TN as the...

...reason he shouldn't have run this year.

[2Design]

12. as vp he was running in nc and did not bring his own state to the table

that is important

I did not think gore should run again - he already won - he knew if he ran it would be about the past and not the future - he has more voice outside the system and is more himself - like howard dean - everyone wants a fighter as long as he/she fits inside a box - that is a problem

edwards did not carry his home state in the pres/vp race - that is important

[AP]

13. He was not asked to cary his state. He was asked to bring in WI, NM, MN,

MI, OH, & PA. And they did a pretty good job of doing that.

[tritsofme]

10. Edwards is a dead issue

He had his chance, and now its over.

If he runs again in 2008, he won't do any better than Joe Lieberman did this year.

[AP]

14. Yeah. Wouldn't want to have a smart, committed guy who has always fought

for the little guy just about every day of his life to have a future in Democratic politics.

Better jettison him. Because we're stupid.

[tritsofme]

17. A one term senator that ran on a failed ticket

that didn't turn his home state.

I don't see how he gets out of the primaries in any better shape than Lieberman.

[AP]

18. He'll get out pretty well if that's the best argument against his...

...candidacy.

He had the steepest increase in favorability through the primaries and nothing that happened in the general election I think takes him off that curve. He acquitted himself well, doing what he was asked to do.

Look at the county breakdown in the states in which he campaigned. Lots of white and light blue rural counties.

[Awsi Dooger]

19. Edwards has a positive favorability rating in North Carolina

It was 51-46 in the North Carolina exit poll, not great but considering the state went to Bush 56-43 it means a decent percentage of Bush supporters gave Edwards a positive rating. Many DUers from North Carolina and nearby claimed Edwards was very unpopular there.

I'm surprised no one in this thread proposed Edwards/Clark should have been our ticket THIS year.

[andym]

16. I would like to see Clark and Edwards (and Dean) work together

I would like to see Clark and Edwards (and Dean) work together in the next few years helping to plan the future of the democratic party. These 3 smart guys working together might come up with some really good ideas.