We are in an amazing place

[tavalon]

if we don't squander it with despair and bitterness. We have a huge group of angry and activated people and we can continue what we did up to Nov 2, which was to shine the light on every dirty trick that this fascist regime pulls and we can begin taking over from the bottom up as the rethugs did.

But I'm worried that we are going to scatter to the winds and not take the opportunity, the short window of opportunity, to solidify.

Yes, the election was stolen. One word - Diebold. But, we probably aren't going to be able to prove it. We should still shine the light on it. Make people start looking into it. But far more important right now is making sure that we make every move they do difficult and very, very transparent. I'm well aware that politically, we lost a lot of clout, but hey, just like the Moral Minority, we can make up for it by being very, very loud.

We need to be reminding everyone that the draft is coming so that they know who to turn to when it comes and who to turn against when it comes.

Most important of all is that we need to begin our 40 year plan to take our country back. Understanding that Hitler burned himself out much more quickly than that and hoping this fascist empire builder makes the same mistakes, of course. And being vigilant so that we can wrestle it away if they do make those mistakes. Otherwise, we start populating the school boards, the local elected posts, the state posts and then onto national posts. It sucks that it will take so much time but it's time we grew up and realized that thirty minute solutions only happen on sitcoms, which this most assuredly is not.

On the morning that Senator Roll Over gave up, I said I was going to Canada. I was angry and wanted to be bitter. I was heartsick but to go to Canada will make me soulsick and I suspect it will do it to anyone here who goes. Giving up is the surest path to depression, life killing depression. I refuse to give that to fascists. Frankly, I refuse to give them anything but hell.

[rockydem]

1. We'll get over it

It's as inevitable as what is happening now.

[tavalon]

2. Yeah

I guess I'm a little worried that by the time we get over it, we'll have to rebuild this formidable base. It's probably a baseless fear, eh?

[m berst]

3. a very real fear

And a very real danger IMHO. I do not think we should be saying or thinking "get over it."

After 2000 so many of us said that never again would we get over it. We got involved in lieu of getting over it. The results from this election are highly suspect. If we get over it and move on, there will be horror after horror to follow. We must take a stand. Starting with the results of this election, we should demand that all of the illegal activities of this administration are challenged as though our lives depended upon that. Their most vulnerable point right now is the suspicious anomalies in the voting patterns IMHO. They will not get more vulnerable and we will not get stronger by waiting.

[tavalon]

4. obviously

So, how do we get people to coalesce?

[m berst]

5. good question

Talk it up, be firm, get a massive buzz going.

There are trolls all over the Internet pushing the same arguments.

"Prove there was fraud" - of course that is misleading. The police don't have to prove that a suspect is guilty before they even start an investigation, and the burden of proof is not on the people to prove fraud, the burden is on officials to prove that the elections are clean.

"Get over it Kerry conceded" - it isn't about Kerry, of course. It is about the future of democracy, the people's right to vote, and the ounishment of possible criminal actions to deny the people this right. This "get over it" argument is like saying that the police would not charge a murderer if they found out that the victim going to die of cancer anyway.

I think this is going to be won or lost in the realm of public opinion, and the Republicans are trying to manipulate that. If there is enough demand from the public, officials will be pressured.