to some, it seems, the right thing should be done only when covenient

[KG]

for the dem. party.

that the dem. party is 'out of touch w/ mainstream america'.

that maybe the dem party should adopt some gop'er positions in order to, um, 'win'.

that the focus should be only on winning, not what is being won.



well, maybe they are right. maybe the dem party needs more zell millers in order to win.

i hope those folks can find some joy in those kind of, victories, when the dem party is indistinguishable from g.o.p.

:eyes:

can't believe some the shit i'm reading here the last couple of days.

[LynnTheDem]

1. It's that "PARTY UBER ALLES" bullshit,

and the RWWs don't have an exclusive lock on it.

You STAND BY YOUR BELIEFS ALWAYS. NO MATTER WHAT.

Or you have no beliefs worth standing by at all.

[ulysses]

2. ideals are for losers, man.

:hi:

[KG]

6. wow, if there's one thing i've learned from 3.5 years at DU, bro,

that would be it.... :(

[killbotfactory]

3. People prefer strong and wrong to weak and right.

Or wishy-washy and right.

That's why people voted for Bush even though he's a giant walking fuckup. They saw Kerry as a "say anything to get elected" politician and didn't believe him when he was right.

[incapsulated]

4. It's depressing

I'm as realpolitik as they come, but when we start sacrificing the minorities in our party to the altar of "electiblity" then we are truly on the road to hell.

And since when as anyone voted for republican-lite when you can get the real thing?

I guess Rosa Parks should've given up her seat, too. Cost us a lot of those coveted southern votes. Kennedy tried to stop the uprising of the civil rights movement for the same reasons, you know, but you can't stop a time that has come. He saw the writing on the wall and did the right thing. God knows what would have happened to the party if he did not.

[KG]

7. just because a notion is popular doesn't make it right

many germans people dug hitler when he waged pre-emtive war on poland, and stalin made the trains run on time...

[incapsulated]

8. Yup

Gain the world and lose your soul.

[LynnTheDem]

5. It's not our message that's the problem,

it's that we don't successfully get our message heard.

We don't say our message properly.

We don't have properly trained spokespeople to get the message out there. For the past 2 years I have sat & watched on the telly Kerry's spokesppl miss very important opportunities OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER.

For example, Ms Manthrax Coulter likes to say Saddam Hussein "kicked out the UN weapons inspectors". And 4 times I saw her say that & I saw the DEM spokespersons NOT ONCE call her on her total bullshit LIE.

BUSH said he invaded Iraq coz SH "wouldn't let the weapons inspectors in". HELLO?????!! YOU kicked them OUT bush; they WERE IN.

And guess what; NOT ONE Kerry spokesperson slapped this bushit in bush's lying face. NOT ONE of them.

Nancy Pelosi fucked up TOTALLY against Russert (?) over the Tora Bora, as did another of Kerry's spokespeople.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEIR FACTS so they DIDN'T POINT OUT THE LIES. The LIES that the "liberal" media repeated again & again & again & again & again. And the Dems LET THEM DO IT.

"Dems are the party of big taxes".

EXCUSE ME MR. READ MY LIPS??? WHO did the BIGGEST tax increase in US history??? HINT: it WASN'T a Dem.

WHO has the BIGGEST US GOVERNMENT??? HINT: it AIN'T a DEM.

WHO has the OUT OF CONTROL BIG SPENDING??? HINT: it AIN'T a DEM.

WHO is BIG BROTHER??? HINT: it AIN'T a DEM.

"Party of family values"???? Like KILLING A MAN when you run a stop sign which you've had tickets for doing several times previously?????

Like DEMANDING your WIFE have sex with you in a PUBLIC SEX CLUB???

Like installing your MISTRESS in the SAME HOUSE as your WIFE & KIDS???

Like DUIs, bush-god & cheney-angel????

And WHEN do ANY Dem officals/spokesppl bother to POINT THIS SHIT OUT? NEVER.

Ahhhnuld and his "girly-men"? EXCUSE ME, OH TINY ONE...if I were as UNENDOWED as YOU, I WOULDN'T be doing NUDE PICS.

MORAL values??? RETHUGS??? What's MORAL about LYING? CHEATING? STEALING? WAR? INVASIONS? KILLING PEOPLE?

What is MORAL about 1 million jobless???

What is MORAL about 4 million added to POVERTY???

What is MORAL about forcing YOUR BELIEFS UNWANTED onto other nations by GUNPOINT???

And did we hear the Dem officials/spokesppl say any of this??? NOOooooo.

Our message, our agenda:

To protect and defend the citizens of the United States.

To preserve the separation of church and state

To safeguard the right to choose.

To provide a decent safety net

To preserve progressive taxation

To protect the environment

To advance civil liberties and civil rights

To govern transparently

To provide opportunity

To promote equality

To advance progress

To preserve the American way of life

TELL Americans what the fuck our message IS;

KNOW the FACTS;

CALL the rightwing on their LIES.

And THEN we will see that IN FACT our agenda bloody well IS TOO the agenda the VAST MAJORITY of Americans want. THEY just don't KNOW that yet.