Anyone Noticed a Subtle Shift in the Media?

[MsTryska]

Was watching CBS evening news last night, and there definitely seemed to be a "no passes" type of feel tot he reporting. They even showed pictures of actual soldiers in iraq, walkign through firleds (reminiscent of Vietnam coverage) and saying straight out that things weren't going so well for them, and situations seems "hopeless".

They showed injured iraqis too. And were derisive of social security privatization as well as hammering home dubya's "it's the will of the people, i can do whatever" comments.


interesting shift. is it happening anywhere else?

[Julien Sorel]

1. MSNBC.com was kissing Bush ass yesterday.

Using Republican terminology for everything, talking about a "mandate." I was pleased by the coverage I saw at the end of the campaign -- they were really doing their jobs, pointing out the Bush lies, covering the bad stuff that came out of Iraq. I'm hoping they don't fall down on their knees again.

[Skittles]

3. when the F*** did Bush Inc EVER feel they didn't have a MANDATE?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Julien Sorel]

4. Deluded is deluded.

It's when the media go along for the ride that I start getting scared.

[tsuki]

20. The last time he was talking to God, I'm sure God said that he

had been given a mandate. And wasn't Pat Robsummore talking to God, and heard the same thing?

[highplainsdem]

43. Same thing on CNN this afternoon,

especially a segment with two Newsweek "reporters" who'd covered the campaigns. The "news" was that Kerry flip-flopped during the campaign. The "analysis" from Miles was that we just couldn't have that in a president, and it's so good that * is decisive.

[Q]

2. Please don't be fooled...

...by the occasional truthful reporting. They're on Bush's* side and helped to get him back in office with their 'foregone conclusion' reporting after the election.

[pdx_prog]

5. I haven't really watched tv much in the last few days....

But from NPR, and some of the local TV news, and even ABC, NBC and PBS on election night they all seemed to be dumbfounded as to how Bush won....like they are reporting it, but don't understand it. I don't think ANYBODY (including the freeps) expected him to win.....the only ones were scrub himself, and his cronies.....they had the media come into the WH to film them watching the returns.....they did NOT look worried....they knew it was in the bag.

[MsTryska]

6. Exactly.

That's seems ot be the undercurrent...maybe not from the cable channels, but from the Big 3.

[RobinA]

17. I Think They May Be

waking up and realizing their part in all this. Towards the end of the campaign when Bush's lies were mounting and Kerry's poll numbers weren't they (print, at least) did seem to start getting it that they haven't been doing their jobs. I think they thought that voter good sense would do their work for them and Surprise! it didn't. I wouldn't be completely surprised if they hand Bush his head in the next four years. I'm not betting on it yet, I'm just sensing a possibility.

[GliderGuider]

7. ABC news seems to be showing a bit of spine

I like this story:

Bush 2nd-Term Agenda Would Add Big Costs

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. I dunno. Not really looking at them, although there was a nice thread

about the AP reporting on some weirdness with ** votes in OH.

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[MsTryska]

11. Same with GliderGuider's Article above

looks like it's the AP that's taking things on right now. Good for them.

[faithfulcitizen]

9. yes, the day after election, many started to really talk about Iraq &

civilian casualties...unbelievable...

[MsTryska]

13. Exactly! it threw me for a loop last night....

on CBS, whilst the other stations have their reporters hanging out somewhere with a minaret int he background, CBS at least got live reports from their embedded reporter, flak jacket and all.


There was a soldier, literally on tv saying, we trained these iraqis to help us in falluja and as soon as it was time, they switched sides and started fighting with the insurgents. it's like we train them and give them weapons and they use them against us. It's pointless"

and then the flash to iraqi dead.


it wa slike all of a sudden i got the nightly news back, and i didn't know what to do with it.

[DemocracyInaction]

10. There's a possibility they have been sent on another agenda

I don't think corporate America likes the fundie thing--it's bad for business. I think they want to have all sorts of delicious tax cuts, etc. BUT they want Bush reigned in on all this social shit. The media whores are still corporate controlled media whores. I think they have just been given a new assignment. Who cares. Just like fraud at the voting booth, our media is no better than any media in some third world banana republic.

[info being]

23. You can't hire a fundie. They are too dumb to do good work.

[evilqueen]

38. we stop spending

we saw how we had an effect on Sinclair. We can do the same thing to MSM.

Dollars talk, but so do Lack of Dollars. ;)

[SiouxJ]

12. We need to stay on them

Sinclair them, whatever. The truth must get out. This is the whole reason for the loss. We all know the media bias is to blame.

[Cush]

14. really haven't been watching but....

it is a second term (lame duck), and those are usually harder of Presidents. We do need to keep on the media, thinkgs like David Brock's "Media Matters", the blogs, Air America are a good place to start

Edit: I should have also added "The Daily Show"

[calimary]

41. Remember the Year-SIX Effect.

Johnson only lasted 6 years. He knew better than to try for more. Nixon - Year-SIX brought him Watergate and resignation. Reagan - Year-SIX brought him Iran/Contra and apparently he did indeed come close to being impeached. Clinton - Year-SIX brought him Monica Lewinsky. There's just too much clogging the pipes under bush's commode before they start to back up and overflow. While I'm not betting on it (hell, all the traditional, reliable forecasting devices and mechanisms, job-approval ratings and other stuff told us Kerry'd be headed for the White House now), because bush seems to have an almost obscene amount of luck on his side. But it's a factor.

Haven't had the stomach to watch too much TV. If you're seeing this stuff on CBS, that may just be typical. They've tended to be more critical and more lucid about this cabal, just anyway. If CNN and MSNBC and those types start turning around, then there'll be something worth considering. For now, I'd bet the momentum is toward cowing to bush some more. He's the guy in charge, so he's the guy they have to suck up to. And broadcasting bad news would only get them angry phone calls from the White House, and the Helen Thomas and Valerie Plame treatment. They dare not lose their precious access, you know.

[wabeewoman]

15. Rove won't be able to keep them in line

too much longer. I really think Jon Stewart had an impact. He got a lot of coverage over his CrossFire comments about the media. You can't keep everyone on the same side shrilling the same line forever. There is a lot of dissatisfaction among republicans-look at how many came out for Kerry. And maybe they are taking note of Knight-Ridder and realizing selling your soul for access isn't the greatest bargain. We can hope....

[Protagoras]

16. Maybe not all of them but

appears you can marginalize those who break the rules and keep the rest in line. That which Murdoch does not control the FCC will marginalize. I don't see a high profile name breaking out and screaming "IT WAS FIXED", "IMPEACHMENT", or "HE's CORRUPT" anytime soon. Sadly.

[RobinA]

19. I Was Thinking Last Night

that it might be the SUCCESS of Jon Stewart that's getting to the mainstream media. I mean, here's a guy who's a comedian for god's sake, and he's eating their lunch when it comes to telling it like it is. And he's doing it in their arena, he's not doing standup. He's playing the same news clips they are, but he's calling the administration on their nonsense and the networks are just rolling the tape and feeding it to the masses whole.

[LostInAnomie]

18. Yeah I noticed a shift...

... whores -------> semen covered whores.

[Jack_Dawson]

22. LOL - oh dear

I needed a laugh - thx.

[Tracer]

21. Subtle shift?

From where I sit, it's a little hard to tell, since I've purposefully avoided the Talking Gasbag shows for several days.

However, just channel surfing last night, I came across:

Bill Kristol (twice) on BBC Newsnight and Jon Stewart
Grover Norquist (C-span?)
A Heritage Foundation thing (C-Span)
An AEI thing (C-Span)
Democracts (Rahm Emmanuel & 2 others) handwringing on Olberman
Some press club (C-Span) doing more handwringing over the election
Jim Lehrer nattering on with 4 gloating Republicans
Smirk's face everywhere (Gawd! I couldn't change the channel fast enough!)

So? Shift? Dunno,

[Tomee450]

30. Just what I suspected would happen. Gloating and handwringing.

That's why I refuse to watch.

[KansDem]

24. "They even showed pictures of actual soldiers in iraq,...

...walkign through firleds (reminiscent of Vietnam coverage) and saying straight out that things weren't going so well for them, and situations seems "hopeless"."

Perhaps it's the Media's way of softening us up for the draft. First they show us day after day of tired, battle-weary Marines, then, when Bush announces his plan for a draft, the MEDIA can justify his decision by pointing to all their news reports. After all, if things were going great in Iraq, they'd be no reason for a draft.

F*ck the Media...They're just as responsible for this Hell as Bush is.

[October]

25. Not watching the media

[kerry-is-my-prez]

26. They are shocked now that they've seen the "real" Bush.

No more of his little "frat" boy nice guy. He's dropped all that and doesn't need to put on any more acts.

[liberalgenes]

29. I wish, but I haven't seen it yet

On the Tweety show last night (hosted by Pete Williams?), they were back in standard butt-smooching mode. I know I shouldn't watch Tweety and Company, but every once in a while he throws us a crumb. Guess I'm being intermittently reinforced.

[Tomee450]

31. I didn't watch that

press conference yesterday but someone told me that it was a beaut....the real Bush came out.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

46. Here's a link to it.

It's under "recent programs"

http://www.c-span.org/

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

27. cause the media lost half its base

and they can go F themselves!:smoke:

[cmf]

28. I don't watch TV news

but even if they stop giving him a pass, does it really matter? He's already won the election.

[KharmaTrain]

32. It's Bunnypants Honeymoon Time...

From one who had CNNservative, MSPMS & other channels going 24/7 until Tuesday, today it's History Channel, Sundance, ABC News Now, NewsWorld International and C-SPAN program that don't include idiotic wingnut callers. Everything else on the tube is propaganda and utterly depressing and disgusting.

This morning I scanned past CNNservative and there were two right wing "analysts" wargasming over the latest folly in Fallujah...giving it the feel of a damn video game and with the assumption that everyone in this country is gung ho to get these A-rabs since that's what Tuesday's election showed.

Also in my scanning, there are the new unemployment figures and I heard the term "Booming Bush economy" used...click.

If the media is shifting it's to do more major ass kissing of this regime. It was obvious in that "press conference" the other day...Bunnypants called on his buddies at the Moonie Times and Wall Street Journal, then gave the biggest shit to David Gregory who we all can agree is the sharpest questioner at these conferences, but far from being a Dan Rather to Nixon or a Sam Donaldson to Raygun.

The internet and foreign newspapers and broadcast and Pacifica Radio stations are the only sources I trust now for information. This media is so corrupted and compromised and expect another 4 years of this. It's all about access, resumes and ego here.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. That's CBS. What are the others doing?

I am NOT watching.

[MsTryska]

34. I dunno.....

all i ever watched was Dan Rather....well i did cheat on him for a couple weeks with NBC, but then the Fake TANG Paper thing happened, and i went back to him, to give him support.

[mtnsnake]

35. Nice of them to come out an hour and a day too late.

[Baja Margie]

36. I noticed

that BBC is saying nothing about voter fraud. Same with major newspapers. San Diego stations are just so sophmoric and smiling and bubbly trying to con the world into coming to SD as tourists, because it's "America's Finest City." Barf.

The only good thing about San Diego right now, is that they (we) wrote in Donna Frye for Mayor, and she won, and even the stations are poo-pooing that.

I haven't watched the National News, will check it out tonight.

[The Spirit of JFK]

37. Just like President Body Bag...

NO CLEAN SLATE.

They did a lot of damage in the past 4 years.....they need to be held accountable for that and we need to be on them so much that they will think we are standing right outside their offices, their buildings, and their homes.

[ClintonTyree]

39. The Slugs just don't care anymore.....................

they "won" their election, they don't give a shit if the media shows the TRUE Iraq now. Before the election they were given their orders to not report the bad news, it would "hurt" the pResident. Now they don't care. Show the American people the blood and guts, show them how Dumbya is "spending his political capital", their sons and daughters. It's all over now, they have their "mandate", the American people are powerless to stop them. It's going to get worse. Much worse. Every fascist dream of theirs is now going to come true. The people in this country are idiots, but they won't wake from their slumber until it's too late. Democracy in this country is dead.

[BamaGirl]

40. Didn't go fast enough channel surfing last night and saw a minute of CNN

And was shocked as hell to see actual Iraq footage. I'm sure it was just a fluke and they were really kissing Bush's ass. I just flipped to fast to see that part.

[hatrack]

42. I've given up on the media - "subtle shifts" don't do it for me anymore

Now, if real investigative journalism were in the cards, if the Big Three (forget the cable news channels) were actually going to look into issues, then I might get all excited.

But I'm sorry, a slightly less flattering tone in the voice-over and marginally less sanitized video footage - wake me when it's through.

[elperromagico]

44. Too fucking little, too fucking late.

They should have subtly shifted four years ago.

[Kahuna]

45. I'm boycotting the media. Starve the beast.

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