Inside Kerry Campaign: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'

[Tamyrlin79]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1344943,00.html

Very interesting (and telling) article about our candidate and the campaign he ran. Makes me regret EVEN MORE that we picked Kerry over Howard Dean.

[cheezus]

1. WE didn't pick him

conservative democrats in iowa and newhampshire did

[Blue_Tires]

25. i swear i hate this damned old-school primary system

IA and NH live in their own little worlds, for the most part

[Dob Bole]

34. I agree...Iowa and NH are NOT microcosms of America...

If we want to win elections, a change in our primaries would certainly help. Missouri and Texas Democrats represent America more, IMO.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. I was for Wesley Clark in 04' and I want him in 08'.

[Tamyrlin79]

9. Consider Democracy for America until then...

The Dean organization is still going strong with "more people than when (Dean) ended (his) campaign," says Dean. Looking over the smouldering ruins of the Democratic party right now, Deans org looks to be the most vibrant, the most connected across the country, and the one with the most growth potential. Their blog is still up and running (in contrast to Kerry or any other candidate), their organization is already looking forward and laying plans (Dean held conference call with supporters on Nov. 3), and DFA meetups are still happening every month.

I know you supported Clark, but at least consider helping out DFA now and support growing the Dem GRASSROOTS, if not Dean himself. From where I'm standing it is the best option for our party and our country.

[orwell]

13. Concrete

There is no doubt that Dean "gets it." You don't build a house starting with the roof.

First you must pour the foundations.

[theshadow]

3. Remember that The Times (London)...

...is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

16. .

[diabhal]

23. However it is NOT a right wing paper

The Times used to be fairly conservative but in recent years has moved towards the centre. I would say this article is probably pretty close to the truth and is not a deliberate hatchet job.

[Jasper 91]

24. You are speaking through your bum .

I live in the UK and know exactly what sort of paper this is first hand . You sound like a freeper to me .

[Democat]

29. Not a right wing paper? By your standards maybe!

Maybe you think Fox is "fair and balanced" too? :)

[diabhal]

32. Guys - chill out, I live in the UK

The Daily Mail is an extreme right wing paper, as is the Daily Telegraph. The Times does not come close to their extremism. Since Blair has been PM The Times has become fairly centrist. If this article had appeared in the other aforementioned papers then sure you'd have grounds to rubbish it out of hand. But The Times is a little different to them.

However you should notice that the primary source of the article is Newsweek. I don't know where Newsweek's politics lies.

And please stop slinging around the Freeper insult whenever someone suggests a different viewpoint. That's the kind of thing *they* would do.

[spooky3]

33. It's a Murdoch paper, but I agree, the questions should be raised about

Newsweek, the original source. What evidence do they have?

Link to evidence of Murdoch ownership:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/01/uk.times/

[WI_DEM]

4. We can't know how much of this is true

I feel for Kerry I really do. He put his heart and soul into this and what he is feeling right now one can't imagine.

[displacedtexan]

5. I usually ignore these threads, but damn!

Howard wouldn't have carried any more states than JK-JE did.

The result would have been the same.

Repukes would still have cheated.

Also, Howard didn't even have the votes in the primary. He didn't even come in second in most of them.

[orwell]

12. Vote Count

I agree. The results would have been the same with Dean. He couldn't change the voting machine programming either.

[DemPopulist]

6. Another useful thread....

For updating my ignore list! :evilgrin:

[Chiyo-chichi]

7. "...the relentlessly disciplined Bush White House..."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...Hooooooooooeeeeee....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Oh, boy....hehahahahehehehehehahahahahahah, hoooooooooooooo!

[BeatleBoot]

8. Those wacky primaries - where the person with the most votes wins!

:crazy:

[orwell]

10. Thanks for the Article

To me the largest blunder was the lack of rapid response to the Swift Boat lies. This is where he lost substantial ground that was never completely made up. And I say this as someone who thinks the election was probably stolen.

In the end, he will see that his inability to take decisive control was his undoing. A leader must lead.

[mazzarro]

11. 20/20: someone else should have been our candidate

If truely, Kerry repeatedly begged McCain to be his running mate, then it seem obvious to me that he was not sure of himself to begin with and was already accepting defeat before hand.

[Old and In the Way]

14. News Flash: 11/3/08

(AP) Democrat Jesus Christ lost to Jeb Bush today in another close election. Remarkably, Bush managed to carry Florida even though exit polls had indicated a 99.9% voter preference for Christ. Jerry Falwell commented that Christ wasn't Christian enough.

We ain't never gonna win until we fix the process.

[okieinpain]

38. funny.

[emulatorloo]

15. An excellent article - - FOR ME TO POOP ON!

[Dob Bole]

35. LOL......ROFLMAO......

Triumph...how ironic.

[NV Whino]

17. That is probably the biggest bunch of Bushit I've ever read.

[emulatorloo]

18. Total Rove Hack Job

EOM

[Cha]

20. I agree and I was a Dean Supporter..

This is Bullshit! And I will not get on the bash Kerry bandstand.

This dictator is in now but we don't know why this happened yet..that is yet to be revealed!

And I don't mean to sound mysterious but obviously the shit hasn't hit the bush fan, YET!

[DoBotherMe]

19. EXACTLY!!!!!

[andym]

21. There's only one thing that resonates with me in that article

The quote:
"I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'"

I still can't believe we lost to that idiot.

Btw,
in the CNN National exit poll only 7% thought intelligence was the most important trait for a President. :(

[Jasper 91]

22. This is a Rupert Murdoch Rag

It is as biased as Fox .

[sampsonblk]

26. Pretty bad stuff in there

No orinal Murdoch stuff. This stuff is from Newsweek. What a mess...

[sampsonblk]

27. So much for the "Everything is fine" crowd

How many times did we hear that: quit complaining about the Kerry campaign. Everything is fine. They know what they are doing.

BULLSHIT. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

[desi826]

28. Don't let these bastards "clean up" make you lose sight of the truth

Everything you are hearing right now is nothing other than the media trying to provide some opiate for shaky Americans all around the world, that in their heart of hearts, KNOW that Kerry should have won this thing.

They don't want to admit that our election process is broken, and most media feeds into that insecurity. They did the same thing (with more success) in 2000, when more people felt comfortable blaming Gore for the loss, because they weren't aware of what a BIGGER disaster Bush would be.

This is different.

Enough people were frightened enough that even if it was Mickey Mouse that was running against Bush, they'd vote for him.....and Bush STILL "won"

Fraud immediately comes to everyone's mind, whether consciously or unconsciously.

And don't forget, the Bushies were panicked the weekend before the election because even THEIR internal polling showed that Bush couldn't surpass Kerry. Even in Florida.

The media is obligated to make it look like anything BUT vote fraud though it doesn't pass the smell test.

The day after the election, do you want to know who I spent the MOST time consoling?

Republicans.
That's right, Repubs.

They were devastated; even THEY thought Kerry had it sowed up.
They even helped out by not voting, or switching their registration to Independent so they could vote for Kerry.

They are petrified of what that Idiot will do to their kids.

Pay no attention to those gloating, what I call "Bush Rebublicans" who have no idea of the coming storm. The more responsible, Moderate Repubs(that make up the majority of the Repub party) are well aware of what a 2nd Bush term means.

And they are scared.

I will say this again: Kerry lost because 6 million votes were NOT counted; most of them minority, democratic votes.

Just thrown away.

We will NEVER see another White House again until this is made an issue.

Republicans as a party need to be sued bigtime over this before blacks start getting lynched before every election.

Don't lose sight of the truth guys.

Listen to Greg Palast, Kerry won.

This election was stolen, no matter what the whore media tells you.
Des

[THUNDER HANDS]

30. this is an excellent article

there's a TON of stuff we can learn from this about how to fight these guys next time.

If we don't learn from this election, on top of what we learned in 88, 92, and 00, then we deserve to lose.

[GRLMGC]

31. That's nasty

What's the point? There's no point in villifying him anymore. the Mediaswhores got what they want.

[Cocoa]

36. Kerry quoted a Saturday Night Live parody?

verbatim?

In the SNL parody of the 1988 debates, Jon Lovitz's Dukakis says, "I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot."

I'm not going to believe that Kerry said this. Thus, this whole article is B.S.

[sangh0]

37. Just great!!

Another asshole I have to look out for.

Enjoy your stay asshole