Dream Ticket: Mumia Abu-Jamal and Leonard Peltier

[LilKim]

That would be the best!

[JohnnyCougar]

1. Yeah...moving left is the answer!

[UdoKier]

2. Sure, and Angela Davis, too!

Let's try to get them all on the GOP ticket ASAP!

[Renew Deal]

3. lol

You're an ass

[Doohickie]

4. WHO?

[geek tragedy]

5. That's fucking hilarious. eom

[Zuni]

6. lets pack the supreme court with ex-Weathermen

and maybe we can reach out to Europe by hooking up with some of the Baader-Meinhoff Gang too.

[tjdee]

7. Peltier was on the ballot in CA for President, LOL.

According to the pics posted here by one DUer....

But I think a Mumia Peltier ticket, now that would ROCK!!!
;)

[Trajan]

8. Chuckles ...

Your so old: hardly anyone knows who Leonard Peltier is ...

(Peletier???) ....

Think of it: ... Death Row as a Camp David like retreat ....

Death Row as the WHITE HOUSE ? ...

That will go over great ....

I have one question: would disrupters pay DU to disrupt ? ..

[hatrack]

9. Shouldn't it be Peltier/Mumia?

I mean, if you're going to get some of the southern electoral votes . . .

:toast:

[BurtWorm]

10. Southern Dakota, maybe.

;)

[hatrack]

12. Buh-da-BOOM!

Thanks, enjoy the creamed corn! I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your waitresses and bartenders!!

[UdoKier]

11. By the way, I think it's unfair to Peltier to lump him with Mumia.

Mumia is, in all likelihood a cop killer. He's very eloquent, but I've neen nothing to persuade me that he was not guilty.

Peltier, on the other hand, was a member of a radical, but legitimate movement forr Indian independence. He may or may not have shot a federal agent, but it seems pretty clear to me that he was being fired upon - by agents who had no business being on sovereign tribal land, IMO. Peltier got railroaded and should be freed.

[DrWeird]

17. Hmmm.

(let's see if we can start a discussion without other people getting all upset, that's hard to do with this topic)

"He may or may not have shot a federal agent, but it seems pretty clear to me that he was being fired upon - by agents who had no business being on sovereign tribal land"

So then you'd agree that it's morally justifiable for a citizen to fire at an "officer of the peace" if it's in self defense? Seems a no-brainer to me. OK. Now I'm not an expert on the Jamal case, but wasn't he shot himself by the police officer? And didn't the officer die instantly, that is he would have had to have shot Jamal before he recieved his fatal gunshot? (there could have been an large exchange, I don't know. And was there any probable cause for the police officer to approach Jamal in the first place?

[UdoKier]

19. I thought Jamal shot the officer at almostpoint-blank range.

The officer didn't approach Jamal, he was roughing up Jamal's borother - why, I don't know. According to wittnesses, he shot the officer in the back when he saw his brother being beaten, the officer turned over and shot Mumia in the chest, then Mumia pumped two more bullets between the officer's eyes.

And Peltier and his group were abushed for no apparent reason, AND even the US attorney admitted that nobody knew WHO fired the fatal shots at the officers.

At any rate, I wouldn't have a problem with Mumia's case being re-tried. I think he would be convicted again.

As for Peltier, I simply don't think the evidence is there, and I also believe in the socereignty of tribal lands and that it should have been handled by tribal authorities. I personally do not recognize any US authority over Indian lands.

[DrWeird]

20. Hmm, OK.

Still, even if it happened like that, doesn't seem to be first degree murder.

[UdoKier]

21. It was first-degree murder because he shot him between the eyes.

He had the officer on the ground. He was disabled, he did get hit, but he could have shot the officer's arm or something - BUT BETWEEN THE EYES?

It was clearly his intent to kill the man.

I can tell you that a police officer who did the same to a suspect would be under intense scrutiny - in some of our cities. Of course in others, they would just look the other way...

We expect our police to apprehend suspects without overuse of physical force and and if at all possible, without using deadly force.

This reminds me of "the tank guy" About ten years ago, in San Diego a crazy guy stole a tank, and rran amok, running over parked cars and onto the freeway. He sisn't hurt anybody, he was just a nut on a joyride. The tank lost one of its tracks, got stcuk on the concrete divider, and SWAT stormed the tank and blew the UNARMED driver to smithereens. There was never any call to discipline the offficers, nothing ever came of it. I always thought that if it had been a black guy doing the same things in an SUV, and they killed him like that, there would've been a massive outcry.

But oh well, whateve.r This country is crazy to the core.

[DrWeird]

23. bah

if your story is right he shot the officer because he was beating his brother and then kept firing because the officer was shooting at him. There's no pre-meditation.

[patdem]

13. Is your brain damage genetic or do you chose to be

STUPID?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. i thought it was a joke..

nt

[rinsd]

15. Sure....

It'd be real cool to come in 5th or 6th.

[seemslikeadream]

16. Have any idea what Native population was prior to European contact

"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

Genocide anyone?

“I did not know how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as I saw them with eyes still young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people’s dream died there. It was a beautiful dream...”

— Black Elk
Oglala Holy Man
on the aftermath of the Massacre at Wounded Knee, South Dakota
December, 1890
the United States Army Seventh Cavalry used gattling guns
to slaughter 300 helpless Lakota children, men and women

[patdem]

18. Peltier should be freed for sure...but run for president in 2008???

this person is just a trying to stir up dissent! Peltier is an American hero...a true American ..since his ancestors OWNED this country...Might is NOT right...

[American Tragedy]

22. I suspect Abu-Jamal is another victory of charisma over objectivity

I've looked at evidence from both sides, and I'm leaning strongly on the guilty verdict. There may be some doubt, but if they want to try again, go for it; I think the same verdict will come through. Regardless, he surely does not deserve this disturbing personality cult, which tends to reflect badly on all progressives.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/19/11/News/feature.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3642

Here are links to a website that advocates the side of the slain police officer.
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/mythsdir.html
http://www.danielfaulkner.com/newsarticles/others/hesguilty/hesguilty.html

[Padraig18]

24. You've GOT to be kidding, right?

:wtf: