"why i like Bush" From one of my neighbors who I e-mailed...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

I am going to ask each and every person who voted for Bush why they did so.....


Her e-mail:

to answer your question as to why i like Bush;

to start; watching the debates i felt that Kerry was very polished and well spoken. but i felt that he was out of touch with reality and telling me what he thought i wanted to hear. although Bush gets tongue twisted and takes words out of context he was much more down to earth and very humble.

the democrats miscalculated the people, we did not want to get rid of Bush and our biggest concerns, as the polls have shown are just down to earth things liked human values. i am liberal about some things but i am absolutely against same sex marriage. it disgusts me and many others that i know. i like Adam and eve, mom and dad. not harry and harry, Mary and Marian.

i have listened to all your conspiracy theories against bush and the
white house and the film 9/11 Fahrenheit. your issues quite frankly just don't alarm or really concern me.

we all have eyes, ears, computers, and newspapers and we can think for ourselves.

when Kerry called Bin Laden just a nuisance i felt that he really
needed a reality check. most members of my immediate family travel via airplane on a weekly basis and yes terrorism frightens me. i feel that bush and his people have a better grasp on the situation. also, i do not think that this is the time to change office. i want the focus on the terrorist, a big concern.

i understand the health care and gas prices are increasing big time. the democrats want to cry about it and blame Bush. i got off my fat ass and instead of crying over it i have taken a 2nd job to offset the increasing cost of living.

it seems to me that any democrat that i have ever met wants either the government or a family member to support them. this is against my very strong work ethic. get off your fat asses and work!

complaining is not the answer. go out and make a difference and quit blaming everyone for your own mess.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. i'd move (nt)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

2. She used to be a friend of mine until I found out she was a Bush-lover

and got to know her a little better....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. the harry and harry crack was vile

absolutely vile...

and she eats with that mouth...

[Rochambeau]

3. I'd force her move ! n/t

[Kingshakabobo]

4. I hope you told her to get her head out of her ass because Kerry

never said this. What a moran.

>we all have eyes, ears, computers, and newspapers and we can think for ourselves.
when Kerry called Bin Laden just a nuisance i felt that he really
needed a reality check<

[Rochambeau]

5. But BUSH DID SAY THAT (OBL not that important) n/t

[Shopaholic]

6. She can think for herself, yet spouts all the Repug talking points?

Oh well, if she enjoys working two jobs--let her "fat ass" work them and when she retires and social security isn't there for her--oh well, at least she was happy with *.

A "friend" told me that the economy wasn't *'s fault--it was already starting to tank under Clinton and then 9/11 just "ruined it". When I pointed out why that assumption was wrong, and pointed out how * has taken us from a record budget surplus to a record budget deficit and why deficit spending is so dangerous and why the record level of foreign debt that the US owes is esp. worrying, she said, "that stuff wasn't important to her."

She also told me (bible-thumper) that * "clearly had superior moral values." When I told her he wasn't exactly the paragon of virtue she believed him to be, she said, "but he's a Christian."

I'm so, so, so tired of dealing with these Faux/Rush/Murdoch brainwashed fundies.

[evilqueen]

24. heh

I guess she doesn't realize that Catholicism is also Christian.

BTW, Bush belongs to no congregation. I would ask her, you say he's a Christian, what congregation does he belong to so I can better understand his underlying values that you admire?

I would keep on like that. Make her explain to you in detail what it is about Bush or even his party that she values. For each point, you can refute whatever she says by showing her what he's done or said.

[TXDemGal]

7. I think this woman exhibits what that recent PIPA survey

termed "disconnect from reality" (even as she exhibits classic Repuke projection that Dems like Kerry aren't connected to reality!).

This person is not worthy of your friendship, which of course you already knew.

[Selatius]

8. The answer is simple but also hard: side-step the issue

Return to federalism. If these people don't want things like Medicare or Social Security or other social programs including public education (yes, public education is a social program in that it is an investment in people), then let them do whatever they want. In areas that do support social programs, let them have it.

If individual states like the idea of universal health care, for instance, then let them collaborate with other like minded states in order to achieve it in their respective states. For instance, if New York, Massachusetts, California, Washington, and several other states support it, then they could collaborate together and pool their tax revenue together to benefit all their citizens. Hell, if you want to take it a step further, make the whole system voluntary for each citizen. For instance, if I lived in Massachusetts, as I once did, I would simply checkmark it, and a small portion of my income would be taken out and put into the universal healthcare fund run by the states.

How does this sound to people here???

[NorthernSpy]

14. sounds mighty good, Selatius

I'm for it. Seriously. Blue states had better start thinking in terms of self-protection and feathering their own nests, because there are a lot of people just like her down there. We've got to defend ourselves, and if that means abandoning them to their self-created hellholes, well... they had their chance.

[sbj405]

10. She's a homophobe and that's her only issue.

Tell her she's lucky her fat ass can work 2 jobs as a great many people can't find one. Not sure what she does, but when one or both of her jobs gets outsourced, then what? These people don't get it. She's willing to sacrifice everything so that Mary and Marian can't marry. As if that was the entire Democratic platform.

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

11. Notice how she doesn't understand some simple point

Kerry talked too far above people's heads. As an example, look at what she got out of what he said:

> when Kerry called Bin Laden just a nuisance i felt that he really needed a reality check.

The interesting thing here is that Kerry never said that. He said his administration would return terrorism to a nuisance, exactly because he would deal with bin Laden urgently.

She took what Kerry said to mean the opposite of reality. This is common on the right. Unless everything is in short sentences that can't be screwed up, they get the details wrong. It's not simply that they are dumb; although that plays a part. Even the smart people on the right receive information through the filters of their assumptions; this woman assumed Kerry wasn't tough on terrorism, even thoughn he puts Bush to shame.

[OnceUponATime]

12. Strong work ethic?

>it seems to me that any democrat that i have ever met wants either the government or a family member to support them. this is against my very strong work ethic. get off your fat asses and work!<

The American work ethic your neigbor speaks of... work two jobs like a dog so our beloved rich can get even richer.

"Arbeit Macht Frei" - Work Makes One Free. This was the sign that placed at the gates of Aushwitz by Rudolph Hess.

"He seems not to have intended it as a mockery, nor even to have intended it literally, as a false promise that those who worked to exhaustion would eventually be released, but rather as a kind of mystical declaration that self-sacrifice in the form of endless labor does in itself bring a kind of spiritual freedom."

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. My e-mail back to her...

Most people who are not very well off ARE working. Most of them have two jobs to make ends meet.

There is a constant unemployment rate in this country of 6% and there always will be. Many college grads are working minimum wage jobs becasue they cannot find a "good" job. Many of the jobs in technology have gone overseas.

There is really a very small number of people on welfare and most of them are either disabled (mentally or physically). Many have recently been laid off and are on it temporarily.

There are moral issues other than gay marriage: like helping those less fortunate than you, the environment, caring about wildlife and nature, peace in the world. We have killed 100,000 Iraqi citizens (this is besides the Iraqis who are fighting us) for a mistake.

[Wols]

32. Very good response

She's brainwashed, as are most Republicans. Nothing you can do about it.

[HootieMcBoob]

15. This kind of thing infuriates me

How can you fight against this kind of ignorance? How can a reality-based candidate win when Karl Rove is willing to have his candidate just flat out lie about every single thing that comes down the pike? It's soul sucking.

[Blue_Tires]

16. what fucking planet does she live on?

[jacksonian]

17. my favorite line:

i understand the health care and gas prices are increasing big time. the democrats want to cry about it and blame Bush. i got off my fat ass and instead of crying over it i have taken a 2nd job to offset the increasing cost of living.

And when gas prices and health care KEEP going up, how many jobs is she going to get?

[pinniped]

23. That line is unreal!

But it's good to see she's quite the problem solver.

If her kid gets blown to bits in Iraq, she won't cry, she'll just make a new baby and repeat the cycle.:crazy:

[sr_pacifica]

30. You got it. n/t

[seabeyond]

18. human values, and then this filth out of her mouth

wow

[NorthernSpy]

19. the real beauty of getting the red states off the dole ...

... is that in the effort, we can use their own worldview against them.

it seems to me that any democrat that i have ever met wants either the government or a family member to support them. this is against my very strong work ethic. get off your fat asses and work!

Silly cow.

Wouldn't she be blown away to find out that in the grand scheme of things, Democratic states subsidize Republican states. If she's in a red state, we can put her on the spot about her freeloader status. If she's in a blue state, she now has a good reason to resent her own kind.

Works great either way.

[HootieMcBoob]

22. I'm confused

Are we deadbeats who want others to support us or are we the liberal elite? I can't keep that straight.

[pinniped]

20. She definitely has the two candidates mixed up...

------but i felt that he was out of touch with reality and telling me what he thought i wanted to hear------

Some people are beyond help.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

21. This democrat would tell her to fuck off.

I work for a living.
And obviously, she can't think for self.
Considering that her side blames EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES for this mess, her final sentence is full of shit.

[LiberalCat]

25. Has she thought about the time she needs a 3rd or 4th job?

"...instead of crying over it i have taken a 2nd job to offset the increasing cost of living."

What happens if she becomes ill or old and can't work. Will she take that 5th and 6th job to make ends meet?

What a moran!

[KharmaTrain]

26. Ignore This Letter And Be Prepared To Lose Elections

Call this lady names all you want. At least she responded very openly as to her objections to Kerry and Democrats...and points that should be noted if this party is ever to win a true national majority that can enact the civil rights laws and protections that will better safegaurd the rights of gays, women, blacks and the many different groups that are Americans and Democrats.

How many more losses does this party have to until until it gets marginalized into oblivion?

[indigo32]

33. I don't call names

Never have. But I have to tell you I'm at a COMPLETE loss as to how to respond to stuff like "it seems to me that any democrat that i have ever met wants either the government or a family member to support them. this is against my very strong work ethic. get off your fat asses and work!" I can assure you this person isn't interested in my denial.
Oh and what should I say to the "simple human values" that equate to being disgusted by ME (never mind ever considering that I should be able to get married). I'm really at a loss here?
Please do enlighten me as to what EXACTLY I should be listening to here to win elections.

[KharmaTrain]

36. Not The Mixed Message...The Tone

This lady is very uniformed of many issues and you're not looking at why this is taking place. It's obvious this lady sucked up every GOP talking point and believed it. This appears to be a lady who is educated and I can tell you speaks for a lot of women here in the Midwest and beyond.

Remember this lady lives in a world where there's been a constant drumbeat of "Liberal Media" and a bad impressions of Democrats painted from pulpits, on hate radio, on cable TV and around the office cooler for over a decade. This is her norm. We ignore it and not try to find ways to crack this nut or we will never achieve a lasting and growing majority.

No...I don't say that Democrats cave in to any principals...just we have to go at persuading and selling others a different way. There has to be ways to turn on a light in this woman's head that Democrats not only stand for moral issues (a very serious problem right now) but also stands for her values. Above you have a laundry list of them...conveluted as her logic may be, but there it is.

Principals are important in one's personal life, but it has become a liability when it's used against Democrats as the Repugnicans have done so masterfully. They put winning ahead of principals but still get their agenda through as well. No, I'm not saying we play the same game, just alter ours to create a long-term checkmate them.

[indigo32]

38. Oh I know the drumbeat is strong

and we have to figure out something we can do about it. I'm really don't know how to fight it, and at times like this it's really easy to get pissed at people for falling for it (hey we're human right?). I mean, to put it simply, my momma and the church she brought me to, taught me better than that. The values I absorbed from that far outweigh any of the crap that gets thrown around. Sigh.

[evilqueen]

27. Moral Crusade

Moral Crusade : Public activity undertaken by middle-aged men who are cheating on their wives or diddling little boys. Moral crusades are particularly popular among those seeking power for their own personal pleasure, politicians who can't think of anything useful to do with their mandates, and religious professionals suffering from a personal inability to communicate with their god. -- John Ralston Saul

[Edmond Dantes]

28. When the US falls into economic ruin along the lines of

the Great Depression, she'll wake up. But for now, she can't see that she is being scammed by extremely slick con artists.

Can you send me her address? I've got this bridge I'm selling and I'm looking for an easy mark.... <sarc>

Seriously, make sure you refer her name to every corrupt company you can think of. Make sure she is victimized repeatedly by corporate America. Only then will she understand.

[sr_pacifica]

29. She's the reason I hate Republicans

No understanding or compassion for the struggling poor and working poor---just get another job.

Stupid about gay marriage. John Kerry didn't support it.

Disgusted by gay marriage. Psychological issues not dealt with.

Blinders---"don't alarm me"

When Bush says he's not concerned about OBL it's okay. The fact OBL is still active doesn't "alarm" her, although the fight against terrorism, her "big concern."

Stupid, stupid, stupid. She may have a computer, newspaper, eyes and ears, but what she does with the information she has access to leaves much to be desired.


:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Cleita]

31. Okay, I'm outta here. (Not really as much as I wish I could.)

No one can defeat this crazy reasoning. Has part of this nation succumbed to mass hypnosis? I sure seems like it, or have they put some weird drug in the drinking water that affects people with the right genetic combination?

[Malva Zebrina]

34. She is not aware that because of Social Security, people did not have to

depend, finally, upon a family member to support them.

[really annoyed]

35. That is just sad....

I wouldn't even know how to reply to that garbage.

Hating people for no apparent reason - "human values?" Letting our fellow Americans die in Iraq for no apparent reason - "human values?"
Making snide remarks and not offering up any evidence or reason for blatant hatred - "human values?"

If I knew that woman, I would tell her to bite me.

[UdoKier]

37. ACK! THE IGNORANCE!

"when Kerry called Bin Laden just a nuisance i felt that he really needed a reality check. "

He said that he wanted to fight terrorism and get it DOWN to the point of being little more than a nuisance! IE get our lives back to normal for us!

Bush's close ties with the Sauddis, and complete inaction on 9-11 "doesn't concern her"?

Your friend is a blooming IDIOT!

[LVdem]

39. You've got a fucking idiot for a neighbor...sorry nt