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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:41 PM
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Naw... It wasn't stolen
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 09:52 PM by Qst4Q
Some very curious data from the electronic voting machines

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

and the exit polls vs paper ballots

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:42 PM
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1. I just saw these charts in another thread.
Those motherfuckers.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:43 PM
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2. could whoever made those
put the same scale on all of 'em? Thanks.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:49 PM
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4. Yes please
You see, when you make the graphs using different scales it appears as if the intent is to deceive. I believe the raw data reported in a straightforward way is damning aplenty in it's own right, it doesn't need to be enhanced.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:51 PM
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5. exactly
I believe the numbers speak for themselves. Making them appear worse through a cheap trick like differing scales doesn't help the cause.
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:53 PM
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9. I didn't make them
they were sent to me.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:56 PM
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10. pandorasox made the charts. TIA has a similar chart now in GD.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:29 PM
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11. The scale is the same...
5/div

The range of the Y axis is what is different.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:46 PM
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3. makes my stomach turn...ASSHOLES
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:52 PM
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6. So voter fraud
It seems, if i might summarize, that electronic voting has been
used to defraud the public in florida and ohio. I presume that
lawyers are processing these details behind the scenes with freedom
of information disclosures and whatnot, so that the electoral
vote challenge can be done by dec 12.

That nobody's talking, might be a good sign... it means they're
working at proving the fraud. I won't concede til dec 12.

If voter fraud is proven, i hope that we will be putting jeb and
W on trial for treason... at the very least.
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vpigrad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:43 PM
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13. Sigh
> I presume that lawyers are processing these details behind the scenes

Probably not. Too often the party just rolls over and plays dead. I hope they're not, because there's still a chance Kerry could still win the electoral college vote. It ain't over till it's over, and we need to keep reminding the party of that fact.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:52 PM
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7. error 403: Forbidden!
error 403: Forbidden!


The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it. Authorization will not help and the request SHOULD NOT be repeated.

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symphony Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:53 PM
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8. yeah, add this to your list - 4,258 votes to * from a 638-person precinct
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch.

State and county election officials did not immediately respond to requests by The Associated Press for more details about the voting system and its vendor, and whether the error, if repeated elsewhere in Ohio, could have affected the outcome.
Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after acknowledging that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result
The Secretary of State's Office said Friday it could not revise Bush's total until the county reported the error.
The Ohio glitch is among a handful of computer troubles that have emerged since Tuesday's elections.
In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.
In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded onto a cartridge. On one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred in the recording process, Damschroder said. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.
Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said.
The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.
Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.
Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round.
When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said.
"All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to."
A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem
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Trahurn Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:35 PM
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12. You'll Forgive Me
If I have trouble listening to someone say in such a laid back fashion. Oh did I mention your charts prove nothing. There is nothing you have shown nor said that can convince me the Bush victory was not fraudulently obtained. Perhaps you'll find a few more gullible's but not me.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:56 PM
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14. ummm..
I think it was sarcastic....

In fact, I know it was...
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:56 PM
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15. Umm...
The charts show that the election victory was fraudulently obtained. That's why they were posted. Maybe you should look at them again?
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