Anybody Know Anything About karl rove's Personal Life?

[Dinger]

Just saw bu$h's brain on Sundance (It repeats later on), and I saw NOTHING on this, well, almost nothing. Just said that he was a nerd in high school. Nothing about his family, if he ever had a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, etc. Almost sounded like he had the hots for idiot boy.

[RPM]

1. I'd be shocked if he has any personal life at all.

Dull boy - all work, no play...

Or perhaps his play is soo far out there I can't even imagine.

[cheshire]

176. OK this is my two cents. Rove is not a man but a woman, he is effeminate,

His looks and the sneaky, nasty way he plays is not manly at all. Years ago there was a woman who pulled off being a man for 40 years. He was in a band. Billy Tilton (I think). That explains the strange relationships with women (or lack of). If he adopted. His silly actions like a child. No offense to women, I am one. But think about this, Rove is not at all like a man. Hermaphrodite?:freak:

[vetwife]

2. I agree..its Rove who needs to be outed ! Been saying that over and over

There will always be a Bush as long as there is a Rove. Another name maybe But he is 1000 times worse than Atwater

[Edmond Dantes]

183. kick!

[JPJones]

3. I'm sure it is a fascinating, twisted tale n/t

[stranger_with_candy]

29. tail too

a little curly one

[George_S]

129. Note that the instigators here are NEW members...

... kind of Roveian to distract you from the real issues?

[Edmond Dantes]

131. I'm not sure how you are defining "new" members.

Most of the people posting in support of the idea have several hundred posts.

RegexReader (Rejects Reader?) had only 57 posts as I recall and he/she was trying to bury the idea with a warning and a thinly-veiled threat directed at me. (And that was after he painted Karl as the all-powerful-master-intimidator who is to be feared.)

So I'm going to have to disagree with you.

[petepillow]

163. I may be a new poster, but even I can see that Rove is central

to many of the issues we lament over daily. I want to know how to hurt the piglet/puppetmaster.

That's why this is so fascinating.

I truly believe we need a campaign to poison the image of Rove and highlight the significance of his evil role in our government. Like a Scott Peterson or a Tonya Harding, he should be reduced to a negative media stereotype and made a liability to the administration.

He hurts people in twisted psychological ways, and that's the way he will go down as well.

[left is right]

140. You must be mistaken,

I have never seen a slug with a tail

[wicket]

4. He has a wife and a son

According to this: http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/010501/gen_0105017610.shtml

FAMILY -- Wife, Darby, one son.

[Carolinian]

12. Born Christmas Day 1950....Barf!

[Kammer]

22. Geez

I didn't know that. Oh, the irony.

[Straight Shooter]

47. I thought he was adopted, and they just guessed at Christmas Day

:shrug:

another Orwellian application

[petepillow]

164. either way, it only points to one thing...

evidence that he's the anti-christ!

[Edmond Dantes]

33. More on wife and son...

http://www.washingtonlife.com/backissues/archives/03feb/lab_school.htm

Well isn't that special? Karl has no problem destroying the lives of other families (job loss, no national health care, e.g.) while his own kid gets the very best, innovative schooling.

If only such perks were available to every other disabled child in America.

This apppears to be the elite school that Rove's son attends...

http://www.labschool.org/index.html

[CBHagman]

143. That's a wonderful school.

What makes me sickest is that the apparently remorseless Karl Rove has the influence on the mind of a child. Rich and powerful is no substitute for an actual heart and set of morals...

I wonder if Rove will someday pull a Lee Atwater and repent, or whether he's going to be lauded for the rest of his unnatural life for ruining other people's lives (That seems to be the GOP's way).

[formernaderite]

175. I wonder if he pays for the lab school?

I say this because I know some very wealthy people who moved to the District so they could save the tuition money the Lab school charges. I embarassed to say that they're democrats. Since DC cannot accomodate handicapped children in their system, many receive private school educations worth tens of thousand of dollars.

[Edmond Dantes]

180. Thanks for the insight, and you raise an interesting question

regarding whether they pay tuition.

Credit where credit is due: wife Darby appears to be actively involved in fundraising for the school, regardless of whether they pay tuition. Too bad she's not able to temper her anti-Christ husband. I shudder to contemplate the bad example he sets for his son.

[catbert836]

5. He dosn't have one

His whole life is the GOP.

[Fleshdancer]

6. No, but he looks like a child molester, does that count?

Bad joke, I know.

[vetwife]

7. He sits under airplane wheels.....the dude is evil,,,and demented

[JPace]

8. "he sits under airplane wheels"

that one was tantalizing trying to figure out why he did that.
I think it went something like this:

Bush: "Damn Rove! are you sure this campaign is going alright?
I'm getting the sense that no one likes me."

Rove: "You can count on it, quit worrying I told you the perfect
plan is working. I tell you what, if it doesn't pan out
I'll finish it all by letting the plane run over me."

Then as a joke he gets under the wheels.

I don't think bush knows that rove cheated with the
voting machines.

[symphony]

11. No, it's more like this:

Rove
"Quit worrying. We've rigged the electronic machines' source code. All these unsuspecting dems who ... ha ha ha ... think they are voting for Kerry, will actually be voting for you!

Bwa ha ha ha!"

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. if he turned out to be gay

would anyone be shocked? Really?

Think about it.

He seems to me like a guy who'd rape his mother to gain policial victory. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be gay and used a fear and hatred of gays to gain victory. I wouldn't be shocked at all.

[Justice]

10. Rove said this about why * won the election

"Well, I think more importantly, the president is in touch. People of faith who are concerned about the coarseness of our society, about a culture that seems unfriendly to the vulnerable, the weak, and the young, who are concerned about there being a place in the public arena for people of faith, saw in the president somebody who shared their values. And so they responded to him accordingly."

I believe we are all accountable for our actions - and Rove saying this, particularly the comments about the vulnerable, the weak and the young - is something that he will have to account for one day. And it won't be pretty, because his actions are completely at odds with these statements.

[Julien Sorel]

83. You missed the code.

That was all about abortion, my friend.

[complain jane]

141. WTF is he smoking or better yet what are the Bush voters smoking...

The "coarseness of our society, culture unfriendly to the vulnerable, weak and young" is coming from them to begin with.

I'm still reeling after this election over the absolute hypocritical asininity of the useless idiots who voted for the turd.

Stomach pains just talking about it.

[kskiska]

13. Here's a Guardian article:

(snip)

Rove prepared for the harder edges of US politics by surviving his youth. Born on Christmas Day 1950 in Denver, Colorado, he grew up in or near the Rockies, where his father worked as a geologist. On his 19th birthday, his father walked out on him. Soon afterwards, he found out that he was not his father after all, the news dropped into a dinner-table conversation by his aunt and uncle. Twelve years later, alone in Reno, his mother committed suicide.

At high school in Utah, Rove was known as a nerd and a motor-mouth, unpopular but irrepressibly opinionated. While his peers were fixated on girls he became obsessed with school politics, campaigning for student positions in a precocious jacket and tie. Although his parents were apolitical, he was a vocal Nixon supporter from the age of nine.

(snip)

At this time, he married Valerie Wainright, a wealthy Houston woman from the Bush social circle, but the marriage could not withstand his consuming preoccupation with politics.(He married his second wife, Darby, in 1986.)

more…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1165126,00.html

He's got at least one kid because when those busloads of protestors arrived at his house he claimed they made the kids inside afraid (one not his own).

[dirtyduck]

15. Colorado and Utah people need to start digging through

old newspapers, yearbooks, etc. he sounds like several idiots I went to high school with!

[Edmond Dantes]

21. Seriously, we need to examine his background closely.

[liberalfrombirth]

51. sounds real healthy NOT!

that article explains a lot

[leesa]

58. I see he, like most Republicans, believes in the sanctity of marriage.

Are they always hypocrits?

[progressivebydesign]

87. .."on his 19th birthday, his father walked out on him".

Okay. I know the article was meant to stir pity.. but 19? the way people talked about this, I thought he was a small child. 19 and your father "walks out on you"? That was wierd.

[Ann Arbor Dem]

109. Probably the smartest thing KKKarl's father ever did. n/t

[juliagoolia]

111. Finding out you are a Bastard child

Says a lot about him..

I work with adoptees and birth parents ..
I don't really think he is a bastard..

But the bigots of the GOP that want to "shoot a fag for jesus" in the words of James Woolcot, just might care that he is a bastard child of a mentally ill mother.


I think thats a tag that can be pushpolled

Would it make a difference to you if so n so's campaign is run by the bastard child of a mentally ill person:?

[Edmond Dantes]

114. I can only speak for myself...

I wouldn't be disturbed by it unless said politico was showing other signs of mental disturbance--which Karl does.

It's my understanding that he consults with psychics, as well. How would that affect your opinion of him?

[lawladyprof]

118. There may be something there

And it could be just my imagination. A father doesn't walk on a child. He walks out on mother and child or on his family. He may abandon his child/neglect him but it is an extremely odd turn of phrase--like didn't he also "walk out" on Karl's mother? Seems highly likely he did since the mother committed suicide 12 years later, but it is still a most peculiar way of putting it.

[Edmond Dantes]

14. Some months ago, there was a protest outside his DC home.

According to WP, Rove went ballistic inside, screaming through the window and wagging his finger. He has one son and there was also a visiting neighborhood girl.

Anyway, the protestors apparently inadvertently scared the kid to the point of tears.

Rove is the brains behind the organization. I agree that we should focus on him. If his effectiveness is neutralized.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A31890-2004Mar28¬Found=true

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/03/29/rally.rove/

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/30/1522246

http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=rove&fname=karl&search=Search+by+Name

[RegexReader]

91. Let me get this straight,

Facts:

1. You want to intimidate the man that put * in office.
2. * owes him a lot.
3. Saddam tried to kill *'s father.
4. * tried to take Saddam out with a B2, since that didn't work out, he then sent in tanks and Marines to finally drag Saddam out of a hole.
5. In another thread, there is a discussion about all the progressives wearing a distinctive bracelet.

Hypothesis:
1. Rove calls * and says that there is a number of people that are stalking him that are wearing a distinctive bracelet.

Conclusion:
1. There are a bunch of suicidal idiots that are awaiting to be rounded up for the re-education camps.
2. As a minimum, a number of people from here will be in the federal funhouse getting their poopers packed.

This rates right up there as one of the tightest tin foil hat ideas I've heard in a long long time.


RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

[Edmond Dantes]

103. If you're a coward who doesn't care what happens to democracy

in America, then stay home and watch "West Wing". The rest of us are willing to make personal sacrifices for our country.

I'm not afraid of Karl Rove. And I'm not going to cave into HIS intimidation tactics. There's plenty of evidence that he's thin-skinned and easily agitated. That said, he can be provoked into making a fatal mistake.

[RegexReader]

116. OK, my brave comrade

but my grandfather had a saying that you may well heed, "Don't start a fire that you cannot put out." As a matter of curiosity, what kind of personal sacrifice are you willing to make?


RegexReader
$USA =~ s/Republican/Democrat/ig;

[Edmond Dantes]

119. Ah, but I'm sure that YOU'll be able to put out the fire...

by pissing all over me and my ideas--just like Gulliver in Swift's "Gulliver's Travels".

Say hello to Karl for me.

[petepillow]

165. well put.

Rove can be the domino that falls and knocks the rest down. We just need to tip him.

[Edmond Dantes]

16. Photo of Karl and Darby

http://www.washingtonlife.com/backissues/archives/02mar/toka2.htm

scroll down....

[kskiska]

18. They look so happy

She looks like his sister.

[Edmond Dantes]

20. I thought so too.

Is there any record of a marriage? Or does his sister merely provide him with political cover?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

25. Ah, the miracle of same-person marriage

A lot of same-person couples in the Sunday NYT marriage section, too. It's the apex of a narcissistic age.

[smirkymonkey]

36. And this is their love child...

[NoSheep]

158. Damn!

[ContinentalOp]

60. OMG, he looks like an aging Joss Wheadon in that photo.

For those who know who Joss Wheadon is.

[vetwife]

130. Kick !

[rockydem]

85. It looks like they hate eachother

I bet they haven't had sex in years.

[petepillow]

166. or ever.

[a new day]

94. His beard, you mean

[NoSheep]

157. Blechhh!

:puke:

[novadem]

17. Reminds me of that character in "No Way Out"

who had the hots for Gene Hackman's SecDef character. If you haven't seen this flick, check it out.

[slackmaster]

19. Karl Rove kicked my dog

:eyes:

[Gin]

26. heard a woman on CSPAN say her son who has a learning disability

is in the same class with Rove's son who has a learning disability...so there is some info.

Also that Neil Bush takes "Private" reading classes at the same school. Not in the past...NOW!..isnt that interesting?

This CSPAN show was with the doctor who wrote Bush on the couch and another author who liked bush.

[Edmond Dantes]

28. I feel sorry for his son. Think it's the result of inbreeding?

[Logansquare]

30. Rove apparently dropped out of college, more than once n/t

[priapis]

95. Karl Rove Took My Shoe

[Edmond Dantes]

100. Are you serious that Rove kicked your dog?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

23. "The hots for idiot boy"

No question about it. Dig up the old New Yorker interview. You can feel his pulse pound and his eyes mist up when he talks about meeting LKO for the first time. "No one person should be allowed to have that much charisma" I believe he said.

[arewenotdemo]

44. I can only hope you're kidding

:puke:

We're talking Roy Cohn. Seriously.

[highplainsdem]

45. Not kidding. See my earlier message here (#37)

[Dulcinea]

128. That's what I think too.

Why not? They have a lot in common. Both of them are sons of parents who screwed them up emotionally. Now they're taking it out on the rest of us.

[Logansquare]

24. Karl Rove's "Hooveresque off-hours antics"

"Unless, that is, Rove is deep-sixed as a matter of political necessity to shore up Bush's Christian Right base. Washington is awash with stories, including those from the normally pro-Bush conservative Washington Times group, of Rove's Hooveresque off-hours antics (as in J. Edgar Hoover). Gee, Karl, how are you going to square that with the good Reverends Robertson and Falwell?"
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120503_rove.html

Does that mean he wears a dress?

[Edmond Dantes]

27. Excellent piece. We need to divert Karl's attention

away from official Washington.

[Whoa_Nelly]

32. Rove's background connections need to be examined

By examining his background connections, those people he has worked with closely and/or has any associations with, could be key in bringing forth dirt on Rove that could undermine his current stature as a "genius" in political strategy.

Here's a bio link that names many people involved in his climb to his current political niche:

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm

[loudsue]

35. How does From The Wilderness view this election debacle?

I think I'll hop over there and see if Mike or Wayne are able to write yet....they're probably as disheartened as any two people could be, even though they are the first who would suspect such a mess.

www.fromthewilderness.com

Mike Ruppert and Wayne Madsen are my heros!!

:kick::kick:

[Triana]

31. he's a college drop-out and draft-dogger, isn't he? (n/t)

[Stephanie]

134. Yes - he's running the country and he never even finished college

He's a dropout. And with his wealth and in his position he has no excuse for never finishing at least his undergraduate degree.

[FeelinGarfunkelly]

138. OMG.. you mean * has more degrees than his brain?

scary.

But college degrees are no indication of intelligence. After all, Harry Truman never went to college. he depended on the KC machine and his own damn sense.

[Stephanie]

148. It indicates something else, though.

He has plenty of money. He has had the time to do whatever he wants up until the 2000 election.

They guy is either lazy, or has some other psychological barrier, to getting that degree. Maybe he is contemptuous of education. Maybe he JUST COULDN'T HACK IT in college and was afraid to try again.

But there are minimum educations requirements for many jobs, and I don't think it's too much to ask that the guy making all the decisions in the WHITE HOUSE have at least a B.A.! It must be unprecedented in modern times.

[Edmond Dantes]

152. 1st wife was socialite within Bush circles, and he apparently

has made a lot of money through stocks (including Enron, I think).

He does, in fact appear contemptuous of education. He'd rather rely on dirty tricks, I guess.

He seems to be angry at the world. And he is working quite hard to make sure the world knows it and suffers. I fervently pray that his wife gets him into therapy ASAP.

[Stephanie]

155. Oh please, why bother

She should just dope his cereal.

[Edmond Dantes]

156. Actually, I was being somewhat facetious about therapy.

[hayduke1]

34. Here's an interesting link

Here is a link to some kr background info: http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1160.htm#001

This site is an interesting read. They have a weekly update from someone who is "supposedly" with the White House in some capacity, but is writing the truth about the inner goings-on. No clue if it's legit or not, just an interesting weekly read.

[grasswire]

38. crazier than I thought

He's clearly a psychopath. Maybe it's time for mental health evaluations for WH top advisers.

[Edmond Dantes]

39. VERY interesting read!

I especially like this sentence:

"Rove also became adept at handling the media, rigorously controlling their access and never shying away from ***calling a dissenting reporter at home and screaming***."

Does he think he is immune from house calls?

I wish I knew whether the website on which this info appears is reliable. Would Rove print such stuff about himself to scare people off? "I'm a sick, nasty son of a bitch so don't mess with me!"

Regardless, Rove is the main problem. He is the man we should focus on.

[Zinfandel]

145. KICK! Your absolutely correct!

:kick:

[vetwife]

61. Utah sometimes and usually means Morman....I find the Nevada

connection interesting as well. Why would Mama kill herself in Nevada? My ten year old could kick his tail. This is the man we need to go after and expose. There is someone out there who knows something on him.

[idiosyncratic]

135. He looks like a Mormon . . . seriously

I lived in Southern Utah for quite a while -- in a very small town where there were only about a dozen last names in the phone book.

After a while, I noticed how these more inbred Mormons all had small noses. Look at KKKarl's nose (and his wife's) compared to the rest of the population.

That much inbreeding creates monsters like KKKarl Rove.

[petepillow]

167. wow that was action packed!

Thanks!

[highplainsdem]

37. Article on Rove: "Boy Genius or Turd Blossom?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1053831,00.html


From the Guardian, October 2, 2003.

This refers to the New Yorker article mentioned in an earlier message here:

A starstruck Mr Rove has since told the New Yorker he could remember what the young Bush was wearing that day: cowboy boots, jeans and a pilot's jacket. "He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have," Mr Rove marvelled.


Rove's recollection of Bush's faux-macho outfit, more than his comment about the alleged charisma, makes me wonder if he's gay...

LOL. He loved Bush's swagger, too. Here's a quote from another Guardian article, the one Kskiska mentioned earlier, which is at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1165126,00.html :

The incident marked the genesis of the Rove-Bush axis and it was in Washington that Rove met the younger Bush. He fell, politically speaking, in love. "Huge amounts of charisma, swagger, cowboy boots, flight jacket, wonderful smile, just charisma - you know, wow," Rove recalled years later. In 1977, Rove was sent to Texas, in theory to run a political action committee, but according to one Texan political consultant who knew him at the time, "It was really to baby-sit Bush back when Bush was drinking".

"You know, wow..." Gagging here.

And it's interesting that one political consultant said that Rove was in Texas in the late 1970s to babysit Baby Bush while W was still drinking. There are rumors that W is bisexual. It's difficult to imagine anyone being turned on by Rove (or W, for that matter), but maybe if W was really drunk...

[Vickers]

41. You can't seriously think a man with this fashion sense is gay:

:spank:

[arewenotdemo]

53. Isn't there a gay sub-type that has the usual straight deficiencies?

You know...with segregation of the tightly linked fashion and gush genes?

[grasswire]

40. btw

His son is 16. Can't imagine a 16-year-old crying about some protestors outside the house.

[Edmond Dantes]

42. 2 kids in Rove's house during March protest were 10 and 14,.

according to WP. And his son has a learning disability.

[grasswire]

48. it would be...

....kind of interesting to find Rove's divorce papers from his first marriage, which should be a matter of public record in TX.

[KitSileya]

43. I am really, really, really sorry about this,

but it seems we exported this problem to you. Karl Rove's family emigrated from Halden, Norway in the 1860s, and his great grandfather was the Norwegian vice consul in Wisconsin, or something.

I apologize so very, very sincerely.

[kittenpants]

69. that's why he hated Hans Blix so much. He didn't trust those Swedes!

[KitSileya]

101. LOL

Yeah, there's some friendly rivalry going on between the 3 Scandinavian countries. Norwegians make Swedes the butt of every joke, while the Swedes and the Danes pick on each other. Perhaps they feel too guilty about subjecting Norway to pick on us (400 years with Denmark, 90 with Sweden, ended 1905.)

But I think the reason Rove hated Hans Blix was that Blix was telling the truth, and that could have messed with Rove's plans.

[MrsMatt]

105. That rivalry has crossed the Atlantic

I grew up in an area of Minnesota settled heavily by Norwegian and Swedish immigrants, and they still make fun of each other (my father is one of the worst offenders - he was born and raised here in the United States, but speaks English with a Smaland accent)!

[KitSileya]

106. LOL

I can just imagine it! Småland has a very distinctive dialect, IIRC, as do many Norwegian geographical districts as well.

I get by with the fact that what very little accent I have in my English makes them think I'm from Minnesota. Anyone seen Fargo? Ja.....


As for Rove, it seems that it's not his geographical descent that seems to matter, but from what I've read on this thread, it's his twisted and dysfunctional family history. As well as an innate Alex P. Keatonism with a mean twist.

[wellstone_democrat]

147. Ah yes, Sweden the oppressor!

(stole that from Garrison Keillor who does a radio show about Minnesota that includes a healthy herd of Norwegian descendants)

[petepillow]

168. you could start your own sorryeverybody site!

sorrynorwegians.com or something... it would be a statement. at least olbermann would talk about it. maybe?

[pdx_prog]

46. my GF works for the city of Portland

Her cube neighbor went to school with Rove. He say's he was an ass in school. Would do anything to win debates, etc.... he says he never liked the guy back then and can't stand him now.

[Edmond Dantes]

49. Another interesting article re Rove, purports to be from

the New Yorker:

http://bnfp.org/neighborhood/Lemann_Rove_NYM.htm

Unbelievably, Rove named his kid (Andrew Madison Rove) after James Madison. Madison must be rolling in his grave.

[Edmond Dantes]

50. kick

[lanparty]

52. GAY!!!!!!!

Any examination of Rove indicates that he's a closeted homosexual.

After this is all over, I think him and Rush need to "hook up" and retire together!!!!

[Baja Margie]

54. He's a Peder, man.

[Fire Bush]

55. I wonder if he's a Top or a Bottom

I'm thinking a Bottom.

[arewenotdemo]

63. I'd have to agree

Why else would * nickname him "turd blossom"?

[Debbi801]

97. I'd say switch or bottom. (nt)

[T Town Jake]

56. More self-defeating futility & silliness...

...let's not examine what we did wrong as a Party, and work to rectify it. No, let's pick out one high-powered member of the opposition and try to dig up dirt on his personal life... :eyes:
Gee, and to think I used to remember the days when being a liberal and a progressive actually meant something when it came to condoning smarmy witch hunts like this...the liberals I grew up admiring would've never done it and, in point of fact, would have forthrightly condemned it.
Next up: "Freeper" accusations galore for pointing out that there is nothing remotely "liberal" or "progressive" about such tactics. Stay tuned.

[highplainsdem]

65. First of all, I don't think we did anything wrong as a party. We lost by

a small margin in an election that's showing more and more evidence of fraud as the returns are analyzed.

Second of all, when our opponents run on homophobic "traditional values" platforms and make speeches about morality, their own morals and hypocrisy are legitimate issues.

[tsuki]

66. Maybe not,

but like Roy Cohn, Karl Rove is a very dangerous man. Do you really want another House on Un-American Activities Committee?

The more we know and understand about Rove, the better off we'll be. I have bookmarked every site here.

[msanthrope]

154. That's exactly who he is like--Roy Cohn,,,,n/t

[annabanana]

88. like I care about the freeper definition of "Liberal" or "Progressive"

I'm sure they wouldn't be crazy about my definition of hypocrite..

[mitchum]

57. I hope that his mother's suicide is a genetic trait

I wouldn't be sorry to see that slimy pig dead dead dead

[vetwife]

59. I posted a thread called Mission : Rove the night after election

It went nowhere, glad this one did !

[Edmond Dantes]

62. Sorry I missed your thread!

Rove is a cornerstone of the current Regime. Without his dastardly deeds, Dems would be in power. We have GOT to distract this guy in every possible way imaginable.

[Edmond Dantes]

64. Does anyone know Darby Rove's maiden name?

Can anyone find a marriage announcement in a Texas newspaper? I believe they were married in 1986.

[Midlodemocrat]

67. I know she is a breast cancer survivor

...I am lexising it to see if I can find her maiden name. Will get back to you.

On edit: Her middle/maiden name is Tara. Still checking.

[Edmond Dantes]

72. Any ideas as to the timeframe during which she was fighting

breast cancer?

[Midlodemocrat]

74. An article in the 5/14/00 NYT

states that she has had a 'long battle with breast cancer'. No specifics.

[Midlodemocrat]

68. Got it!

In 1976, he married Valerie Wainwright.

In 1986, he married Darby Hickson.

[Edmond Dantes]

70. Nice work!

[Midlodemocrat]

71. Anytime.

I am a professional researcher, so I have to tools to look up that kind of stuff. Have a good one.

[Edmond Dantes]

73. OK we know that Darby is a breast cancer survivor and that

her son has a learning disability and that she actively engages in philanthropic activities to raise funds for her son's innovative school in DC.

Anyone care to speculate as to why such a woman would hang with a scumbag like Karl Rove? She cannot be unaware that he is an arrogant, deceitful bastard. Does she approve of this behavior? Why doesn't she rein him in? Does she want son Alexander to follow in his father's evil footsteps?

[highplainsdem]

75. Link to page w/ both Rove's astrological chart & Bill Moyers comments

http://starcats.com/newsmakers_junerove.html

I don't believe in astrology, but I thought this might be interesting for anyone here who does. Both the original chart on Rove, republished on this page, and the feedback on it comment on signs in Rove's chart indicating that he's probably a closet homosexual.

The "King of the World" cartoon from The-Broadside.com is good, too.

The comments from Bill Moyers are quoted from a Common Dreams page (there's a link for that) with the text of his speech at the Take Back America conference last year:

This is what's hard to believe – hardly a century had passed since 1776 before the still-young revolution was being strangled in the hard grip of a merciless ruling class. The large corporations that were called into being by modern industrialism after 1865 – the end of the Civil War – had combined into trusts capable of making minions of both politics and government. What Henry George called "an immense wedge" was being forced through American society by "the maldistribution of wealth, status, and opportunity."

We should pause here to consider that this is Karl Rove's cherished period of American history; it was, as I read him, the seminal influence on the man who is said to be George W.'s brain. From his own public comments and my reading of the record, it is apparent that Karl Rove has modeled the Bush presidency on that of William McKinley, who was in the White House from 1897 to 1901, and modeled himself on Mark Hanna, the man who virtually manufactured McKinley. Hanna had one consummate passion – to serve corporate and imperial power. It was said that he believed "without compunction, that the state of Ohio existed for property. It had no other function...Great wealth was to be gained through monopoly, through using the State for private ends; it was axiomatic therefore that businessmen should run the government and run it for personal profit."

Mark Hanna – Karl Rove's hero – made William McKinley governor of Ohio by shaking down the corporate interests of the day. Fortunately, McKinley had the invaluable gift of emitting sonorous platitudes as though they were recently discovered truth. Behind his benign gaze the wily intrigues of Mark Hanna saw to it that first Ohio and then Washington were "ruled by business...by bankers, railroads and public utility corporations." Any who opposed the oligarchy were smeared as disturbers of the peace, socialists, anarchists, "or worse." Back then they didn't bother with hollow euphemisms like "compassionate conservatism" to disguise the raw reactionary politics that produced government "of, by, and for" the ruling corporate class. They just saw the loot and went for it.

The historian Clinton Rossiter describes this as the period of "the great train robbery of American intellectual history." Conservatives – or better, pro-corporate apologists – hijacked the vocabulary of Jeffersonian liberalism and turned words like "progress", "opportunity", and "individualism" into tools for making the plunder of America sound like divine right. Charles Darwin's theory of evolution was hijacked, too, so that conservative politicians, judges, and publicists promoted, as if it were, the natural order of things, the notion that progress resulted from the elimination of the weak and the "survival of the fittest."

[Edmond Dantes]

81. Interesting read, including the astrological work...

"With Sun square Saturn, Rove reveals a grave insecurity and thin-skinned knee jerk reactions when it comes to the fact that he did not graduate from college. In "Bush's Brain," there are several references throughout which call attention to Rove's deep-seated sense of inferority in regards to his lack of an ivy-league pedigree, something he often overcompensates for by declaring war on his neighbors for such infractions as leaves from a leaf blower accidently winding up on his front lawn. In fact, he and a neighbor nearly came to blows over where property lines ended. Rove ripped out flowers his neighbor had planted!"

He has weaknesses and he makes enemies. (No surprise, really.) I wonder how many other neighbors he's pissed off--and what they would say to a person conducting background research on Rove.

Thin-skinned, eh? Emotionally immature? This is something we can work with. He's an adolescent--a juvenile delinquent to be precise.
It should be fairly easy to provoke him into attacking the wrong person at the wrong time, i.e., a Rove sting operation to catch him in the act.

Hmmmm. Has the gay/lesbian community in DC been extending him invitations, I wonder? He really SHOULD be receiving in the mail a great deal of supportive literature from the gay/lesbian community. (Just throwing out an idea. No intention to offend anyone here.)

Thanks to the poster who made clear to me why he is called "Turd Blossom" by *. I'm unfamiliar with these issues.

[Snellius]

76. Sick & depressing facts about Karl Rove's so-called life:

When he was 20 he found out that the man he called "Dad", who had just walked out on his mother, was not his real father but his stepfather. After the divorce, his mother moved to Reno and, some years later, she took her own life.

Rove did not marry until he was 36. Three years later, his first wife angrily walked out on him, screaming at their divorce proceedings: "I don't love you. I've never loved you. And I'm leaving."

Fun guy.

[kittenpants]

78. if he wasn't so evil I would feel sorry for him

but instead, I loathe him.

[Fridays Child]

102. Re: 1st wife, a Valerie Wainright teaches (or taught) Kindergarten at...

...Rice Magnet School, in Houston. Just a coincidence? Or is she Rove's ex? Her email address, [e-mail], is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030120101957/es.houstonisd.org/rice/j_faculty.html

[Edmond Dantes]

104. Thanks for the info.

Not sure whether it's the same person. I thought Rove's first wife was a socialite in the Bush circle. I wouldn't want to inadvertently tie the wrong Valerie to Karl--that would be SOOOOOOOO cruel.

:-)

[juliagoolia]

115. hmm wonder where she is

There is nothing more telling than...a scorned... you know what.

[Doctor_J]

77. he and norquist and Luntz are

"closse friends"

[highplainsdem]

79. Rove was beaten up by a little Catholic girl (pro-Kennedy) when he was 9.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A11143-2004May8?language=printer

That was in Rove's speech to graduates of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University last May. He also warned them not to act smarter than the people who are hiring them. Of course that's something he has to keep in mind every day (or W will slap him down again with the "Turd Blossom" nickname).

I hadn't heard about that childhood incident before, but it's obviously still bothering him or he would never have brought it up in that speech. Rove must take special pleasure in getting more and more of the Catholic vote for W. Every success there is a strike back at that Catholic Kennedy supporter.

[kittenpants]

80. ha-that's like how Hitler always hated Paris because someone stole

his puppy while he was there. I'd like to see a little Catholic girl kick Rove's ass again today!

[Edmond Dantes]

82. Nicely done!

I agree that the childhood incident would explain a lot. He was publicly humiliated by a Catholic GIRL.

It's really so sad. Karl desperately needs to be in therapy. Instead he is taking his anger out on an entire nation, with aftershocks affecting the entire world.

<sigh>

[highplainsdem]

92. Thanks! I found a Boston Globe article with a slightly different version

of the incident at

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2000/07/23/george_w_bushs_main_man/

Says he was 8 years old then, but that isn't possible since Kennedy wasn't the nominee till the summer of 1960, when Rove was 9:

Rove was born in Colorado on Christmas Day, 1950. He bounced around the west, to little places like Sparks, Nevada; Holladay, Utah; and Golden, Colorado, tiny specks on the map where his father searched for zinc, lead, uranium, copper, and molybdenum - the raw materials of atomic bombs, battery electrodes, metal alloys, spark plugs, even drugs. Overall, it was an unremarkable middle-class childhood - unremarkable, that is, except for the time when the little girl who lived across the street punched him out.

He was 8 then, she was two years older and, not incidentally, 20 pounds heav ier. The setting: Arvada, Colorado. The provocation: He somehow had it in his head that Richard M. Nixon, not John F. Kennedy, should be president. The 10-year-old girl with the ferocious right hook did not see it that way.

It was the first blow the young Karl Rove took in politics, and it is remarkable not only for the fisticuffs involved. He grew up in a family where the only orthodoxy was individuality. His grandfather worked on a highway road crew during the Great Depression. His mother once lived in a tar-paper shack where the walls consisted largely of newspapers held together with flour paste. "My parents were totally apolitical," says Rove. "I have no idea why I was not."

But he wasn't and isn't. As a child he read widely; he still has one of his first books, Great Moments in History. In grammar school, he says, he wrote a paper on dialectical materialism, not exactly a favorite of fifth-graders everywhere. He was, in his own words, "a complete nerd." He had the plastic pocket protecter to prove it, as if the buzz haircut, the glasses, the briefcase, and the bad social skills, especially with girls, weren't enough.

I don't know whether the paper got it wrong, or Rove decided it sounded better if he was only 8 when that girl punched him out.

I suspect Rove's leaving the most crucial details out of that story, too, spinning as usual. It's unlikely that girl beat him up just because she was for Kennedy and he was for Nixon and had a Nixon bumper sticker on his bike, as he explained in the WaPo story I posted the link for earlier. I'm close to Rove's age, and I'm Catholic (or was at the time), and I remember the Protestant kids in my public school class, in the red state I was living in then, saying outrageous things about Kennedy and Catholics. I'm guessing Rove was probably taunting that little girl as he rode past on his bike.

[highplainsdem]

84. NNDB page on Rove w/ link to Rotten.com library page

http://www.nndb.com/people/353/000022287/

[progressivebydesign]

86. His chin left him several years ago, after a dispute with his neck. nt

[eleny]

89. Article from The Truthseeker in the UK

I never visited this site nor have I read anything about it here at DU. But this turned up after Googling "Valerie Wainnwright". They claim to have an inside source close to the White House.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2432

"Two weeks ago, give or take a day or so, I personally heard Rove say, concerning Pat Robertson’s remark about having warned Bush about the consequences of invading Iraa”. 'We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!'"

[highplainsdem]

90. Sounds like him. I vaguely recall reading an article years ago

that described Rove being overheard ranting away on the phone about someone else who'd offended him, and it was the same kind of language.

Doncha just love the way these Christian conservatives talk?

[Edmond Dantes]

99. A man with this kind of immature, emotional attitude,

to wit:

"Two weeks ago, give or take a day or so, I personally heard Rove say, concerning Pat Robertson’s remark about having warned Bush about the consequences of invading Iraa”. 'We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!'"

is easily provoked into making a mistake. We need a Karl Rove sting operation---and a lot of decoys to throw him off.

He is destroying our country. There's no question but that we must distract him from his diabolical, Anti-Christian (the Anti-Christ) agenda so that his political effectiveness is weakened.

[Dinger]

127. I Read A Post About Him A While Ago

Can't remember where, but apparently he was teaching a political-type class at some university. He was talking to the class about campaigning and said (about opponents)" Fuck 'em hard,Fuck 'em again, Fuck 'em till they bleed.
Sick.

[bunny planet]

184. Can't we get some transcripts or recordings of his foul language.....

to the Christian right!!!!!!!!!! wouldn't they just wash his mouth out with soap.

[starroute]

93. Rove and the College Republican National Committee

The College Republican National Committee has been involved in an incredible amount of dirt over the years and has spawned far more than its share of noxious right-wing individuals.

In the Nixon years, it was running a school for dirty tricks which got so notorious that Bush Sr. (who was then head of the RNC) had to step in and tell them to tone it down.

Karl Rove, Lee Atwater, Terry Dolan, and Roger Stone were all members at this period. In 1972, there was a race for the chairmanship between Rove and Dolan where things got so dirty that Bush had to step in again and declare Rove the winner.

Terry Dolan went on to become a major figure in the emergence of the New Right until he died of AIDS in 1986. Roger Stone, who was Dolan's childhood friend, was discussed extensively on DU a couple of months ago when he was rumored to be the source of the CBS memos. It seems he and his wife had been exposed by one of the tabloids a while back as engaging in orgies and advertising for well-hung men to join them in threesomes.

Lee Atwater was introduced by Rove to Bush Sr. and became his campaign manager in the 1988 presidential election. Atwater was suspected of being behind the Willie Horton ad, though this was never proven. He died of a brain tumor in 1991, after publicly repenting of some of his foulness.

And then there is Rove. I don't know anything about Rove's private life, but just given the background he came out of, I've been wondering.

The College Republican National Committee, by the way, had a second flowering in the Reagan years, when it produced Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, and a less prominent but important sleazeball named Jack Abramoff. Abramoff is currently in trouble over his dealings with Indian casino gambling (a business from which Roger Stone has also gotten rich), but Grover Norquist seems more powerful than ever.

Since 2001, the College Republican National Committee has been operating as a 527, where they're developing a well-earned reputation for scamming little old ladies out of their life's savings.

[a new day]

108. Don't forget DONALD SEGRETTI

Headed the "dirty tricks" campaign for the Committee for the Re-election of the President, which might have benefited from information the Watergate burglars were seeking at the Democratic National Committee headquarters. Segretti served four and a half months in prison on three misdemeanor charges for dispensing false campaign literature. A lawyer, Segretti had his California license suspended for two years. Now 59, he practices in Orange County where he briefly ran for a judgeship but withdrew because of Watergate publicity.

[Uzybone]

96. This is beneath us

instead of finding ways for us to get more votes, people on this thread are looking for dirt on Roves personal life. Yes I know it works for Republicans, but we are not republicans.

[Edmond Dantes]

98. I say this in all friendship....

Come down off your high horse. The Karlmonster works from the slimy depths of an evil mudpit. Like it or not, we are going to have to go in after him (a la Lord of the Rings).

Read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and you will understand what I mean. Alinsky is the father of community organizing in this country. He taught people of little means how to fight back with pennies at a bank, a can of beans at an opera, or excess use of toilet paper in an airport. The book is a VERY fast read.

We must keep Karl's juvenile mind distracted long enough for the Leviathan to rise beneath him and suck him down into Hell forever.

And we can have fun while doing it.

[Mist]

107. Who made the rule that Democratic/Progressive types

have to act like freakin' saints? I'm all for some dirty fun! And he does sound VERY thin-skinned. After all we've been subjected to, we deserve some fun.

[West Coast Democrat]

110. I'm assuming David Brock might have some information

[Gin]

117. He's thin skinned...extremely insecure.........highly vulnerable....and

ripe for the pickins.

[tommcintyre]

112. Watch Bush's Brain FREE online here: 26 other docs here too

http://www.independentmediasource.com/video.htm

[Edmond Dantes]

132. Thanks for this link!

[juliagoolia]

113. BASTARD CHILD of MENTALLY ILL MOTHER IS BEHIND BUSH"S BRAIN>>>

According to the article...
He is a bastard love child of a mentally ill woman.

No wonder he is a sociopath

Now, before you flame me.. I do not feel he is a "bastard" because he has no clue who is father is, I think he is a bastard because he is one.

BUT.. due to his NEED to be so MORAL, i do think we can utilize the same narrow minded people to his own detriment.

Pushpoll

Would it matter to you that the campaign is run by a sociopathic divorced "love child"/ "Bastard child" of a mentally ill woman?

Im sure it can be put in less obvious terms but equally offensive to the Moral Majority assholes.


(forgive me..i work with adoptees and birthparents.. this is not my true feelings) I do think though if you are going to exploit and pander to the RW narrow minded exclusionary idiots, then you need to be allowed to be excluded with the same hate and bigotry you exploit.

[Edmond Dantes]

120. Chris Wallace asked Rove about "Turd Blossom" in an interview

today. I could hardly believe my ears!

Rove kept his composure except for the flash of anger in his eyes.

Now that * is reelected, he doesn't really need Rove anymore--especially seeing as Rove has been getting too much attention and has alienated just about everyone in DC.

Tell me a tale of Emperors and pawns...

[complain jane]

142. So what was his response

to the Turd Blossom question? And really, what is a turd blossom? I mean, the turd part clearly fits him, but that blossom thing has me confused.

[Edmond Dantes]

151. Excerpt from transcript from foxnews.com

Rove maintained his composure, but there was an angry glint in his eye.

WALLACE: You've been with him every step of his political career.

On a personal level, what does he mean to you?

ROVE: Well, I have great personal affection for him, but more important than that is, he is the right person at the right time in a historic era of challenge for our country. I mean, he is a tremendously inspiring leader.

WALLACE: And when he calls you "Boy Genius" — or there's another expression in Newsweek, which is...

ROVE: Well, he very rarely calls me "Boy Genius." He generally calls me the other name.

WALLACE: The blank-Blossom?

ROVE: Yes. Yes, sir. I mean...

WALLACE: Go ahead.

ROVE: Go ahead what?

WALLACE: The relation — I mean, your relationship, your feelings?

ROVE: Well, I'm honored to serve the country and his administration. And I have great affection and respect for him. He's a remarkable individual.

WALLACE: Thank you so much. We really appreciate your coming on.

ROVE: Thank you, sir.

WALLACE: Again, congratulations on your victory. And now that the campaign's over, come on back.

ROVE: Great.

Notice that Rove-Bush are now pushing a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage. Completely unnecessary and unlikely to succeed. However, it provides some level of political cover for what appears to be a homoerotic relationship of some nature.

[petepillow]

169. MAN I WANNA SEE THAT VIDEO FOOTAGE!

Is it anywhere to be found?

[cassiepriam]

121. he had a very dysfunctional childhood

at least that is what I have read.
Also I noticed what looks like urine
stains in the recent infamous Kerry hunting
copy cat prank photo. Anyone know if
Rove is a drinker? Has any written
ROVE ON THE COUCH??

[Edmond Dantes]

122. kick

[MsTryska]

123. Hmm.

reading all of these tidbits, it's apparent to me he's a serial killer in a meta sense, and possibly on a more private level too.


now if we could just find the dead bodies.

[dryan]

124. The only thing that I have a question about...

is Rove on the government payroll? I know his title is Senior Advisor, but is he a public employee?

[Edmond Dantes]

125. I think he would have to be. Why do you ask?

[Bridget Burke]

126. Lots of bodies.

In New York City (where the WTC used to stand).

In Afghanistan & Iraq. Mass graves, in fact. And some sent back here under cover of night to be buried in private.

And more dying individually through lack of food or medicine or warmth. Here in a very rich country.

[Claire Beth]

133. He doesn't have a college degree....

but he has mastered deception.

[noel711]

136. Karl Rove has....

no personal life. His life is totally devoted to * and all its machinations. And really, who cares?

[maumcc1]

137. The guy doesn't have a soul, how can he have a personal life?

[Flammable Materials]

139. Haven't there been gay musings about Bush and Rove?

When I think "turd blossom", I think of "pooched-out sphincter".

Sounds homoerotic to me. (NOT THAT THAT'S A BAD THING!)

[Edmond Dantes]

171. "When I think "turd blossom", I think of "pooched-out sphincter".

Couldn't have said it better!

[PhuLoi]

182. Possibly a prolapsed colon.

Hopefully it will worsen resulting in Rove falling through his own asshole and hanging hisself.

[n2mark]

144. Rove

I sent out two posts today 11/9/04-- this man is unstable. He wants to be president, but is not qualified so he gets his kicks by supporting/backing candidates. My feeling after reading the info. he is the president or he thinks he is the president. He has too much clout.

The only info that I've not been able to attain, does he have a real degree?

This one nut is sick, real sick!

[Edmond Dantes]

150. No college degree. Apparently, he simply read "The Prince"

by Machiavelli, and decided to get ahead by using dirty tricks, rather than honest intellect.

His family background suggests to me that he is an extremely angry, insecure, paranoid man who is in desperate need of therapy.

I feel sorry for his wife and kid.

[MagickMuffin]

146. Nazi Ties

I don't know how much of this is real perhaps someone who can nexus it could get somewhere with the info.

<snip>

George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.

<snip>

Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/bushnazis.htm

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html

This link is interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.4law.co.il/Lea330b.htm


<edit> took out address

[mortimer_az]

149. Pretty sure he eats babies

that's how he gets his "evil genius" powers.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

153. He has sex with stray animals

Actually I don't know since I made that up - but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Lisa]

159. supposedly Rove is a "Christmas freak"

http://www.ronsuskind.com/newsite/articles/archives/000032.html


"On a cool Saturday a few days before Christmas last year, Karl Rove showed up in a festive mood at David Dreyer’s house in suburban Washington, D. C., to trim the tree and have a cup of eggnog. Dreyer is a liberal Democrat, formerly the deputy communications director in the Clinton White House and also a senior adviser to Treasury secretary Robert Rubin. He now runs a small public-relations firm. His daughter and Karl’s son were in the same seventh-grade class. After a few brief, friendly encounters at school functions, Dreyer invited Karl and his boy over for a tree-trimming party with the class, about fifteen kids and eight or nine parents in all. It was one of those enchanting days that you remember for a long time. Rove was the ringmaster of fun, brimming with good cheer, Mr. Silly, without a care in the world. All in attendance were warmed by his presence, and you never would have known that his job carried such awesome responsibility. Rove was far too busy decorating cookies and stringing popcorn to betray anything close to that. "Karl completely took charge, absolutely in the most endearing way possible. He had a vision of what each kid could contribute. What they could make or hang, based on how tall they were, or what they could do . . . what ornament, what Christmas ball. Need more lights? Hey, kids, let’s get in the car and go get some more lights!" Dreyer, a sober man, is trying not to go overboard about how all this affected him. "You expect a partisan who’s onstage all the time, and it doesn’t function that way in real life. You get a father and husband." He pauses. "I think it’s sad." What’s sad? I ask. "That we so often have such an extraordinarily one-dimensional view of people, of our fellow human beings." Not that Dreyer, having glimpsed Karl in repose, far from his natural habitat, sees him as anything less than extraordinary. "He was magnetic," Dreyer says dreamily. "He picked up my four-year-old son, Sam, so he could place the star atop the tree. It was lovely. Just lovely."

When I heard this story, it made me like Karl Rove. It made him sound like a hero to children, and in my view, there’s no better person. But I’ve never heard another story like this one, because people in Washington, especially Rove’s friends, are utterly petrified to talk about him."

[Avalux]

160. Karl hates Christmas -

It's his birthday and his father walked out on his family Christmas Eve when Karl was 19. That might kinda mess up a person - he's a sick man.

[Edmond Dantes]

161. Thanks, Lisa. EVERYONE-- THIS IS A MUST READ!!

Click on Suskind link. http://www.ronsuskind.com/newsite/articles/archives/000032.html

I am more convinced than ever that Rove is the person we should be focused on.

We are great in number and if we use "hit and run" tactics on an individual basis, we can distract this jackass and/or provoke him into making a fatal mistake that will ruin his career.

If Karl looks like he is going down, I think a lot of his "colleagues" will look the other way and watch him drown.

Keep it legal. Use laughter---satire, parody, caricature, ridicule. Over and over. From every corner of the land.

Anonymity is your friend.

[Lisa]

162. you're welcome, Edmond ...

That piece, about how Rove was being so controlling at that party, but nobody noticed it -- the first time I read it, I had nightmares! Rove's personality is very similar to that of someone I work with. That guy used his schmoozing skills to get a big promotion. The only reason he hasn't gotten me fired yet is because he made a rare mistake a few years ago -- lost his temper and tried to frame me for someone else's error -- the whole department knew that it couldn't have been me because I was out of the country at the time!

He's fooled most people with an outward show of affection (and the lavish gifts and parties he throws don't hurt either). The "old hands" who've been around long enough have figured out what he's up to, though -- and fortunately for me, they're watching my back.

I think what makes guys like him and Rove particularly dangerous is that they are creative and have a sense of humor (see the earlier incident with Rove and the airplane wheels) -- besides being very persistent. Without that ability to laugh at themselves, they would overreach, become defensive (as George W. does) ... and fall so disasterously that they wouldn't be able to get up again.

Rove really has a "thing" for sticking it to people ... he seems to delight in it. I believe that this is something he has in common with Barbara Bush. But while George W. (who's probably most like her of all her kids) might think up elaborate ways of getting back at people, he doesn't have the intellect or stamina to actually implement them (and instead resorts to dissing people behind their backs, yelling obscenities at them, or even fisticuffs). Rove's the guy he relies on for the long-term plans.

"To engage the crowd, I related what had happened at the previous panel, introduced a gracious Mrs. McKinnon, and said that I was going to speak about Rove. "Before I start," I said, "I would like to know if Karl Rove's sister or wife is in the audience." It wasn't rip-roaringly funny, but it was at least amusing, and when the scattered laughter ended, I talked about Rove.

A week later, in my office in Austin, I received a one-sentence handwritten note.

Sir,

Not a sister or a wife, but my aunt, armed with a tape recorder.

It was from Rove."


http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-10-13/pols_feature8.html

[Edmond Dantes]

170. We should make use of Rove's proclivity to "stick it" to people by

setting a trap or two (or more) and making liberal use of decoys. It's only a matter of time before he slips up.

* is now concerned with his legacy and Rove could easily become dispensible if he jeopardizes that. Others in the White House fear/despise him and will, I think, breathe a sigh of relief once he is gone.

[bobbyboucher]

172. This will sum it up for you,

phelching, gerbiling, and blumpkins.

[vetwife]

179. Grasswire had the idea ! All joking aside..HE needs to be focused on !

[EMP]

173. kick

[johnnyrocket]

174. You have to be 'alive' to have 'a life'.

[Kerrytravelers]

177. Rove's father is gay

Well, the many he thought was his father. A friend who is part of the NV State Dem party leadership (and who is gay) met Rove's father in Palm Springs (which has a high gay population) years ago. In fact, he didn't realize who he was until after the man had left. Someone told my friend and he was just stunned.

[Edmond Dantes]

181. Thanks for this piece of intelligence!

I'll try to look into this further. And if there are any gays/lesbians out there who would like to lend a hand, your assistance would be appreciated.

[LisaM]

178. He clearly has emotional needs for a real family

but lacks the tools to build one. He's not likeable enough (doesn't know how to be likeable enough) for people to accept him into their families, and it sounds to me as if he spouts "family values" as almost a fantasy of what he wished his own family was like. Well, we are all dealt different hands. My family is not dysfunctional, but it's small and we don't have large, warm gatherings with lots of people, which I love. So I have tried to create that on my own. That's what normal people do.