Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked

[silverpatronus]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked
by Thom Hartmann


When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

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While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking – the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

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they can't hold back this storm!

[Straight Shooter]

1. One person speaking up gives courage to others

We know you're out there, those who know what happened. Are you strong enough to stand up and speak out?

[Roxy66]

2. Go Hartmann...Go Hartmann

:headbang: :yourock:

[Chicago Democrat]

23. He is so impressive.... Thom Hartmann is excellent

:thumbsup:

[seafan]

3. Dupe, but in editorial... but this should go here too!

This really needs to be nominated for the home page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x83388

[Mojambo]

4. Shouldn't these swing states be burning by now?

I'm serious. If this story gets legs, this country will explode.

[Amigust]

6. Self deleted

[rodeodance]

7. lets hope it gets lots and lots of legs!!!

[rawstory]

5. This is very misleading, actually and bad journalism...

While I think it entirely possible the vote was hacked, when looking into this story for Raw Story I actually ended up debunking it.

Baker County voted for Bush 2-1 in 2000; and Dole 2-1 in 1996, while still being 70 percent democratic. It's systemic; Florida counties that are largely Democrat often always vote Republican, and by enormous margins. Even before optical scan technology.

Now I'm happy to be debunked. I went into this thinking I was going to write an article about how this proved the election was hacked, but my research has actually found the opposite. Feel free to look through previous years and see if you can find anomalies -- but I really honestly don't think this article should be in LBN -- it's an editorial, regardless.


Check out the previous races county by county and compare them to 2004: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm (2004)

(previous florida elections archived here): http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/index.asp

[cdsilv]

8. fed into a 'tabulator PC' ????

.. good lord! PC??? If it wasn't fed into some secure Unix, VMS or IBM O/S system, of course it's hackable.

I speak as a veteran of 25 years in IT. PC's are the EASIEST to hack!

... and are by far the machines that are hacked/cracked.

I know someone (can't be specific) who does this for a living for a federal agency. Hacking PC's.

The feds know this.

[rawstory]

9. I totally agree it can be hacked.

And quite possible that it was. I just find this as 'evidence' very flimsy. We need raw data. Access, etc (which of course, we'll likely never get).

[WillyT]

10. What's Your Research Telling You About...

the exit polls agreeing where there were paper ballots, but being significantly off where there was electronic voting???

:shrug:

[foo_bar]

12. the burden of proof is on the accuser

[WillyT]

18. What... Exactly Does That Mean To You ???

Are you open to the possibility?

Have you spent ANY time looking at the bits of evidence?

Are you familiar with Greg Palast's and Bev Harris's work?

Or are you here to dampen any such investigation into the possibility that we've been majorly screwed?

I mean... it just boggles my mind how many here think that the vote was all fair and square!

Me... I ain't buyin it yet. If ever.

:shrug:

[foo_bar]

19. it means a journalist shouldn't make an accusation without hard evidence

Activists are free to make conclusions first, then look for circumstantial evidence that fits the conclusion. Reporters like rawstory aren't, unless they aspire to the drudgereport's journalistic standards.

[WillyT]

26. Great... Glad You're On It... Looking Forward To Your Reports...

And thanks.

[rawstory]

27. Mathmetician finds exit poll coincidence is 1300 to 1

We've got this story ready to roll on Monday.

Also, I encourage people to read this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html

And this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17plis.htm

While the exit polls are said to be 'unreliable,' (which, I suppose is why they use them in every other country to determine if the election is legitimate) I find them more compelling evidence of alleged fraud than the Florida county by county breakdown.

[George_S]

28. Thanks...

... and so the plot thickens. Others were doing polls.

[WillyT]

29. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You !!!

Passin 'em all around!

:bounce::yourock::bounce:

[KC21304]

15. For one thing, this graph going around addressing this question

has Wisconsin as having no paper trail and that is not correct. A great part for sure has optical scanners and they leave a large paper trail.

[MacCovern]

11. Thanks for Baker Co. info and links

I went back to 1988 to and it is plain to see that Baker
County has voted overwhelmingly for the Republican candidate
in each and every election fron '88 to this year.

Therefore, the Baker County claim in the original thread is bogus.

Keep searching folks, because there might be something else out there.

[mulethree]

14. me too

I read an earlier version of the ustogether stuff and the worst-offender counties appeared to be rural counties so I figured they had discovered a trend for farmers to listen to their preachers more than others in the state.

But I investigated further. As you noted, they are like 75% democrat in registration but had never supported a democratic presidential candidate more than 40% at least back to 1992. They weren't unanimous regarding Dole, but they supported BushI and BushII.1 strongly and overall were >50% for Dole. They were for BushII.2 even more strongly, but it's not unprecedented for these counties. Not just Baker but about 10 counties that show up as highly "unexpected".

Odd tidbit, they vote in the democratic primaries pretty heavily
I kept looking in part hoping to find that they had previously been republicans and switched registrations at some point to vote against some democratic nominee. I didn't find that, they HAVE been registered as democrat at high levels for at least 20 years.

[Phlee]

25. Also, wouldn't the NORC

election 2k ballot review have found this?

[teryang]

13. Florida DOS web site not publishing pres results by county

Why not? They did in 2000 but they took them down quickly.

[mulethree]

17. yes they are

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/index.asp

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/Index.asp?ElectionDate=11/7/00&DATAMODE=

When you get the state-wide results click on the race e.g. "President of the United States" which takes you to the county-by-county table

[teryang]

20. Thank you, got the 2000 county breakdown

...in the archives.

Also, reviewed the 2004 county votes.

Apreciate the links and directions.

[VegasWolf]

16. Prosecutors have enough circumstantial here evidence to put awol

in the electric chair.

[savistocate]

21. This is exactly what Bev Harris described

as the most vulnerable to hacking. Precinct tallies transferred--"fed into central tabulator" through the modem iirc.

The craziness in RWers celebrating B* got the most votes of prsdtl candidatein history!! IN HISTORY..the population growth,
eligibility has greatly expanded. This logic says Kerry got the second most votes in history.

We know the EV vote was lowest for an incumbent since Wilson 1918.

[VegasWolf]

22. Funny, Cheney predicted the exact outcome Oct 31st.. n/t

[BamaBecky]

24. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/48089077.html

We know that in ONE PRECINCT in suburban Columbus, the voting machines were wrong by almost 4,000 votes.

We know that in Broward County, Florida, the same type of machine had similar errors and was off by 70,000 votes. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/10103931.htm

We know that in Jacksonville, North Carolina, a computer glitch lost 4,500 votes.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e=10&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

We know that in Michigan City, Indiana, a computer glitch caused a 57,000 vote error - http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt

We know that in Craven County, NC, Bush received credit for 11,283 more votes than were actually cast in that county - http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

That's a combined error of roughly 150,000 votes that have been confirmed by the mainstream news media thus far.

These are machines that have no paper trail. Is this acceptable to you?

Florida Rep. Robert Wexler has been fighting in the federal and state appellate courts to get a paper trail and Florida's Secretary of State Glenda Hood has been fighting him all the way.