PlanetBev
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:30 PM
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If you think this country is divided now.... |
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Wait until Roe v. Wade is overturned. Can you imagine what will happen when that ruling is handed down? We won't be shocked, but a whole lot of people will. A few states have triggers put into place already, which would close the clinics and hogtie doctors the second the ruling is handed down. The other states that are dying to outlaw or restrict it will fight over it for months. The states that want to keep it legal or have the right to choose written into their constitutions will be under tremendous pressure by outside crazies. And I predict that it will help split the Republican party.
This is a country that is used to being given rights, not having them taken away. The last time that happened was in 1918 with Prohibition, and we all know how that turned out.
The fighting will go on for years and years and years. This country is in for a world of hurt.
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Mayberry Machiavelli
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:33 PM
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1. I haven't decided yet whether I will pity those young, single women who |
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did not vote, or worse, voted for shrub, and then want but cannot get an abortion except for underground, unsafe means...
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PlanetBev
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:47 PM
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4. I feel the same mixed emotions as you, Mayberry |
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At 54, I'm old enough to remember when it was illegal. I got involved in pro-choice groups as early as 1976, when it started to become a campaign issue, but I don't think that you can relate to the idea of the right being taken away if you are too young too remember the bad old days.
Also, sometimes you can get tired of fighting for everybody elses right. I've never had an abortion, and it used to pissed me off when I met women who had, but didn't seem to give a shit about fighting for the rights of other women.
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:57 PM
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9. One, perhaps "ex", girlfriend of mine voted Chimp again... |
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and she had several abortions when she was younger...
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:03 PM
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I am at a university, around far too many young women who take this hard won fight for granted, who have told me that they are not feminists.
Despite my confrontation that many are where they are because of the actions of feminists and that no rights for women or minorities, no efforts at equal rights FOR ALL were obtained without a struggle, they remain clueless. So fuck 'em.
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:44 PM
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2. The problem could be solved |
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by starting to air ads NOW that remind people of the backseat/backalley abortions that ocurred before Roe v Wade. The entire country has forgotten and MUST be reminded. If there is an uproar BEFORE confirmation hearings, they will have a much harder time than if it starts AFTER confirmation or worse, after it is overturned.
Maybe * is on to something with this pre-emptive action shit.
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:46 PM
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3. The time for this was before the election |
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Sorry, the Pandora's box is already open.
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PlanetBev
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:53 PM
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Bart was ranting about this a couple of weeks ago on Bartcop. He asked, "Senator Kerry, are you so far ahead in the polls that you don't have to remind the voters about The Supremee Court's effect on women's right to choose?"
When the issue came up during the debates, I thought that Kerry should have used it to warn people that we are essentially only one vote away from Roe v. Wade being overturned. But no, I heard later our candidate avoided being direct as to not offend the "swing" voters.
In case anybody didn't already notice, they did not swing toward him.
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:47 PM
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5. what'll happen now and I mean in a matter of |
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months will be the right wing nuts will start once again to bomb these clinics and start a whole wave of death and destruction.mark my words.......
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PlanetBev
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:55 PM
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8. I've thought about that too, bluedog |
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If they don't get what they want now, they'll go crazy.
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Sun Nov-07-04 12:48 PM
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6. maybe they don't want to overturn it |
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Maybe it's more useful as something for them to run on.
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:58 PM
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10. I've been saying this |
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They need it out there to run against just like W needs OBL out there as a boogeyman. If these wedge issues were suddenly off the table, Reps would be screwed.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:29 PM
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12. Duh. Anyone that thinks the GOP will EVER ban abortion... |
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...is living in a fantasy world.
The only people that really care are the 30% of GOP voters who are poor & middle-class fundies. The greedhead leadership of the party couldn't care less one way ore the other about gay marriage, abortion or any other "moral issue".
It's their time-worn wedge issue, and they're not about to give it up.
I only wish there were as many feminist women motivated by it as there are religio-nuts....
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:06 PM
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11. I am already hearing some Dems say that right-to-life ain't so bad |
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The country is irreparably split between two irreconcilable forces: those that want to impose their sham religion on others, and those that want to keep religion out.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:06 PM
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14. Don't forget - Operation Rescue was founded in Binghamton, NY |
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Even the Blue States face quite a war on this one.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:10 PM
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15. I'm 50 years old and won't be needing an abortion |
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And almost all of the younger women I work with wouldn't be caught dead calling themselves feminists. I try to tell them that they have no idea what life may throw their way, but they just look at me like I'm some crazy witch and go out and vote their family values. Well, I officially no longer give a damn about some 20 year old's right to choose. If they thought it was important, they should have supported Kerry. And yes I know that the majority of those in that group who voted supported the dems, but I also know that the majority of that group didn't vote.
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