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Sun Nov-07-04 01:45 PM
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How would you react if Kerry decided to run again in '08? |
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Certainly he would have strong claims to it, 48% of the vote and 252 electoral votes is not a huge loss. He got the second highest number of votes than anybody else who ever ran for president in history. Would you be open to supporting Kerry again?
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:51 PM
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That's not even an option.
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:51 PM
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2. depends who he's running against in the primaries(nt) |
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I can think of worse and better candidates...
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:39 PM
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:52 PM
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3. Yes He is what we need. I doubt that many agree. |
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:53 PM
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5. Everyone that wants to run, should run. |
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But if Kerry did not win in 2004 with all of what he had going for him, and I mean the ABB vote, how could he win in 2008?
Then there is the question of the voting machines....
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:57 PM
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6. Sure....If he can get passed Iowa.... |
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I seriously doubt it. The dominoes are not going to fall for him during the primaries like they did last time.
If he did run one would have to suspect a DLC ploy to split the vote and give Hillary an upper hand towards the nomination.
My guess is Mark Warner/Wes Clark or vice versa. That wins Iowa and would probably cruise through conservative N.H.
With huge grass roots support towards a ticket like that, starting now or lets say in six months..... No one will stop it.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:01 PM
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Whoever runs needs to stand firm on the Gay-Marriage issue and Abortion.
This is the big tent party....it's needs to stay the big tent party and stand firm against the divide and conquer stategy Rove is using against it.
Look what working with these assholes after 2000 got us.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:14 PM
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No, please not another Hillary conspiracy post. |
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Sun Nov-07-04 01:58 PM
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7. Why? So He Has 4 More Years... |
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of an easily distortable senate record under his belt? No thanks.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:04 PM
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12. And 4 years of exposure to make himself familiar. n/t |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:03 PM
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9. I'd be open to it, but I think Al Gore could be a strong candidate in 08. |
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There's nothing that says once you lose a presidential election, you're finished for life. Nixon lost a tight race in 1960, and came back eight years later to win the presidency twice. I think the same could happen to Gore. I wonder if Kerry would have the passion and energy it would require to make another run.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:41 PM
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41. If Gore keeps on slugging like he has this year |
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I'd support him in a heartbeat.
But if I have to hear him talk about the Dingle-Norwood bill and the frickin' lockbox, I'll have to kill myself.
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:43 PM
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He has proven himself and as an Arkansan I remember when Bill C. came back after sitting out a term as governor. We need patriots that aren't afraid to rave on. Loudly and often.:kick: Also he's southern, a vet and an environmental advocate.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:03 PM
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10. Yes, he'll be a much better candidate. |
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This time, Kerry was nearly unknown to most voters. He could be smeared shamelessly and too many believed, or at least doubted.
-If- Kerry leads the opposition for the next four years, he will be a familiar and comfortable figure. Stature. The smears won't work a second time.
Any Democrat other than Kerry is also likely to be unfamiliar to most voters. There will be -new- smears, and plenty.
The -Republican- nominee will be a relative unknown.
We -could- look for a Southerner, but with few Democratic Southern Senators or Governors, who would that be? Edwards, but he is out of work now and won't have much of a platform the next 4 years. Bill Richardson of NM, but he doesn't -look- very Presidential.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:04 PM
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11. he needs to find a sound byte issue |
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a large part of us here at DU supported John Kerry. I voted for Kerry, not against Bush. A lot of Americans didn't, so he would have to find something to run on other than "Bush, but better". So, yeah, he's a good politician, would be a good president, but that doesn't give him the nomination. However, I think in 2008 we shouldn't have a huge primary. I think that hurt Kerry a lot because in the primarys you run as yourself, in the general you run as your party. Some of the nuances between Kerry the man and Kerry the nominee did not help against the "flip-flopper" label.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:05 PM
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13. I would proudly support him again |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:06 PM
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14. Gore / Kerry in 2008 -- "The Payback Ticket: This Time It's Personal" |
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:28 PM
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38. LOL! I'd vote for that. |
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I don't know if the rest of America would, but I sure as HELL would.
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Sun Nov-07-04 05:56 PM
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:00 PM
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I don't think Kerry will run again but I could definitely see Gore running again. I mean damn, he WON the popular vote by over 500,000. He could do the same thing as Nixon.
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:02 PM
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52. that was actually what I think it should been in 2000 |
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:10 PM
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54. It would be just. I truly respect them both. In a country of rational |
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peace loving citizens it would be reality. I am so burned now that I am not sure it would work. Such bad images have been planted by opposing propaganda that they would have to both be exorcised in the eyes of the right wing. Maybe ,but lets make sure Kerry isn't our President,first.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:09 PM
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15. If he appeared to "learn his lesson"- I would support him. |
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I think Kerry was great.
He just was not negative enough against Bush- if he learns to ruffle some feathers and tell it like it is- I still think he could do it.
He would need Clark or Dean on the ticket, this time.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:13 PM
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16. If he couldn't win against this screw-up |
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how's he going to win against the stealth/moderate candidate they put up in 2008?
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:14 PM
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17. I would probably laugh hysterically |
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Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 02:15 PM by NoPasaran
Until the men in white coats carted me off to the loony bin.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:15 PM
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18. NOOOooooooo.........! |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:16 PM
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19. Yes, but it won't happen. |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:18 PM
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20. Never supporting him again. |
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He lost my support when he rolled over Wed morning without even a cursory fight. I wish he would have at least fought for 24 hours, then conceded, but no, he chose to give up instead of fight. He's lost my support on the national level for good.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:21 PM
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21. NO!! I'd rather see Al Sharpton run. At least he'd be FUNNY and |
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straightforward and clear with his message. It would be a hell of a lot more fun losing with Sharpton than losing again with Kerry.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:24 PM
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22. Screw that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I want an anti-war candidate
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:29 PM
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23. depends on who else was running |
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I'm not going to blindly say yes if there's someone else who presents a better set of ideas and policies.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:32 PM
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You bet. I think he won this time, and I was planning on voting for him in 08 anyway.
I would have a better plan of marketing him, if the DNC wants to join me they can, but otherwise I'd just head off on my own and do it.
I would like, btw, to get Going Upriver on tv now, on a regular network channel. Any chance we could get that to happen, now that the election is over and it wouldn't be considered a campaign commercial?
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:34 PM
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26. Not after his concession without fighting this |
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Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 02:35 PM by EndElectoral
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:34 PM
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27. Richardson or Salazar in 2008 anybody? |
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It would be pretty spiffy to get the Latino vote. Although there's really nothing we can do to get the right-wing Cubano vote, other Latinos may support us if we show we care about them.
I say screw the South. The new battleground states are out west: Colorado, Nevada, Arizona
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:13 PM
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55. Do CO, AZ, and NV Have As Many Electoral College Votes As Florida? |
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:41 PM
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59. Are elections in Florida fair? |
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I think not. There have been enough threads on this.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:35 PM
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That would be a powerful duo...
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:41 PM
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31. Clark/Obama baby! n/t |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:47 PM
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32. Yes! 8 years of Clark followed by 8 of Obama. Sweet! |
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:50 PM
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Didn't vote for him in the primaries this time, wouldn't again.
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Sun Nov-07-04 02:50 PM
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34. I seriously doubt he'll take the nomination away from Hillary |
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bill's a tough nut to crack and you know he'll be on the trail to get Hillary the nomination.
Sad, but true.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:00 PM
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35. He has a decision to make in 2007 |
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because his term is up in 2008.
I'd be happy to see him run again.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:25 PM
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36. It doesn't matter WHO runs if we don't stop these goddamn machines! |
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My answer is qualified thusly: if Kerry aids in stopping this election theft, and helps get rid of the machines, I'll vote for him when he runs for re-election.
If he does nothing, he can FUCK himself eternally.
Hopefully, I've made my position clear. :)
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:26 PM
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37. No DNC, no DLC, not ever. nt |
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:29 PM
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Kerry completely lost any and all respect I had for him when he caved on Wednesday. He betrayed us. I'd never support him again. Never.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:31 PM
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He folded quicker than a frenchman in the face of obvious vote fraud. He was an "Anybody But Bush" candidate who I voted for only because he wasn't Bush. I can proudly say that I never fell for that "more electable" meme. And I told people long ago on sites like DailyKos that an "ABB" candidate is not enough to win the presidency. Plus, Kerry never even challenged in the South, never campaigned there and hid Edwards from the limelight. Why?
It was a horrible campaign despite some strong debate performances. The Democratic Party does not need any more millionaire, elitist, Skull and Bones, Yalie candidates. It needs populist, Midwestern, Western or Southern candidates who are outside of the DC Beltway.
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:44 PM
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43. Very true about the campaign |
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especially in hindsite.
There was absolutely no effort whatsoever in the south, excepting Florida. We will never know if Arkansas and Virginia, for example, would have gone into our column if they had put more effort there.
Especially the last couple of weeks, aside from Ohio and Florida it was basically Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa and screw everyone else.
I also am dismayed Kerry folded so quickly too. There is massive evidence of fraud... yet who in the Democratic party (not just Kerry) even cares?
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:43 PM
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42. Same way I did last time |
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Sun Nov-07-04 03:45 PM
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44. I can't even answer questions like this much less ask them |
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Sun Nov-07-04 04:50 PM
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I'm not taking that roller coaster ride twice.
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Sun Nov-07-04 05:42 PM
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He ran against the WORST President of my lifetime & lost.
I have heard from so many people who are not very political that they didn't like Bush, but they didn't like Kerry either.
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Sun Nov-07-04 05:48 PM
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47. Hell no. I feel sorry for John Kerry, but he had has chance. n/t |
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Sun Nov-07-04 05:50 PM
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48. I think we need a different candidate |
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we cannot seem to be so pitiful that we have to pull an old candidate out twice in a row. I say Clark.
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Sun Nov-07-04 05:50 PM
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49. No support here for either he or Edwards |
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Maybe Edwards should be working for the DNC as he is good at gathering financial support, and the fact that he will be out of government for at least the next 4.
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:03 PM
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53. I would support him, like I will any Dem... |
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...He's untold times better than any of the other Dems who ran in 2004. And as of right now, I don't see anyone stepping up in 2008.
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:24 PM
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56. Al Gore had a better claim in 2004 |
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And he was prevented from running by the Democratic establishment. There is no way that Kerry will be able to run again. How will he justify another 18 months of missed votes in the Senate in another presidential run?
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:27 PM
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57. HE LOST BECAUSE OF FRAUD |
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I certainly would work as hard for him than as I did this election. Had it not been screwed with he would be our president and we would not be having this discussion.\
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Sun Nov-07-04 06:31 PM
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58. I'm not really putting a lot of faith in the electoral process for a while |
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I would vote for Edwards but, no Kerry ever again.
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Sun Nov-07-04 07:03 PM
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62. Only if he comes out swinging very soon against the FRAUD!!! |
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Otherwise I am voting Green or Ralph or Socialist. ----------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time! http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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