Hillary Has The Nomination IN THE BAG If She So Chooses.

[Placebo]

Some of you just need to accept the fact, that when she decides to run she is going to be the nominee. So all this talk about other candidates for 2008 is really quite moot.

[carpe diem]

1. i tend to agree with Josh Marshall's take on this...

... 'Are you kidding?'

Let's be honest, Hillary Clinton is a deeply divisive figure. And if there's one thing Democrats have learned in this and the previous election it is the danger of going into a national election with a candidate who cannot even get a real hearing over a large swath of the country.

...
Nominating Hillary would simply mean that Democrats would be going into the election with one hand tied -- no chained -- behind their back. And as we've seen, they need at least two hands.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_11_07.php#003950

[springhill]

28. I don't trust her.......

She and her husband, I used to really admire them. But as of late I have become very suspicious. It is a gut feeling, but some of her votes also were just more than I could stomach.

[chimp chump]

33. She could actually lose far worse than Kerry. Man, is she hated.

But I think she'd be an extremely hard worker and a marvelously disciplined candidate, exactly what the political consultants would love.

Both Clinton and Gore were more focused and disciplined than Kerry, I think. Now Gore runs around like a loose cannon, bellowing embarassing one-liners for the right wing to ridicule. But he was much more careful as a candidate.

Hillary's main advantage over Kerry is that she never voted for real gun control, never really spoke in favor of gay marriage, voted to support the wars and military spending at almost opportunity. Smart. But there are tons of women who will never vote for her. Ever. Kerry's support among women dropped eight points from what Gore got. But Hillary might not do a lot better.

Hillary is divisive even when she tries to avoid it. It's Bill's baggage more than her own.

Just for a little proof of how divisive she is, look at http://www.hillary-watch.org/activity.htm">HillaryWatch.org. Notice that they are compiling a day-by-day account of everything she has ever voted on, all linked to the official Senate records. And these are just amateurs, not pros. Kerry never excited this kind of opposition back when he was the presumptive nominee, way before the Iowa caucuses.

Divisive indeed.

[MaineDem]

2. As much as I admire and respect her...

I respectfully disagree with you.

At least it's way too early to make that statement now. Anything can happen in 3 or 4 years.

[RafterMan]

3. Well then.

Who's running in 2012?

[Comicstripper]

43. Uh....whichever Democrat wins in 2008?

Re-election, don't you know

[Dr Fate]

4. Nope-strong-anti war candidates- Gore, Dean, Clark, etc.

b/t

[girl gone mad]

49. I'm with you.

I won't vote for someonw who voted for the war this time.

Clark or Dean still look good to me.

[JohnKleeb]

5. I dont know yet

Gonna be my first time voting in any thing presidential that year. BTW I am so tempted to copy cat this to tell people about my governor.

[NoPasaran]

6. O! "Hide Thread Function" why hast thou foresaken me? n/t

[union_maid]

7. I"m wondering about some of these Hillary threads

Are any of them started by people who are, or who hope to work for her campaign? Or maybe some are started by trolls who want to see their imagined scenario come true. I haven't looked at post count or even who's starting them so it's not an accusation directed at anyone in particular, but it seems a little strange. Although there's nothing wrong with a little speculation about 2008 we have other things to deal with. To wit:

1.It's 2004. We don't know exactly what happened with this election yet. Even if there's nothing in the world we can do to change what happened, we need to know and to figure out how to deal with rigged elections in the future.

2.Then there's 2005. We need to determine how to deal with the hand we've got and what we can do to thwart the worst of what this admistration wants to do.

3.Then there's 2006 and the midterms. See #1.

That seems like enough to keep us busy for a couple of years.

[The Wielding Truth]

31. Agreed. There is such a strong negative feeling for Hilary now.

First we need to shore up the voting system.

[Killarney]

8. 100% untrue

[AmerDem]

9. get off the 2008 election

we have major voting reform to take care of and a 2006 election long before 2008. 2008 is fantasy land at this stage, regroup and focus on the now!

[0rganism]

10. OK, so be it. Let's hope the republcans nominate a moderate

because the republicans will certainly win the election if we nominate Hillary.

[indie_voter]

11. Nonsense

She is divisive among democrats let alone the general electorate. She couldn't win enough primaries.

[bemildred]

12. Fat chance. nt

[Teaser]

13. Let's hope not.

I'd like to vote without holding my nose in 2008.
And I'd like a candidate who has a chance of winning.

[zulchzulu]

14. If Hillary is the candidate, look for 2012 for a Dem to possibly win

If Hillary runs and gets the nomination, let's make sure that Bill runs as VP so we can get rid of this once and for all.

I would predict a major landslide for the Repugs if she runs. No better way to mobilize the Rethugs than to have her run.

[The Flaming Red Head]

15. If she switches to the Republican Party and becomes pro-life

Diebold might let it go her way next time, too.

Otherwise who cares what she does or says or thinks.


I won't be made a fool of by voting in rigged elections, again, if they don't so something about this, then what is the point of trotting my merry little ass down to the polls only to be made a mockery of and be sneered at 24 hours a day by our so called free news media.

[joanne]

16. There is NO WAY Hillary would EVER be competitive

She would take the Northeast and probably California but that is it.

No matter which Repuke was running against her.

[lessthanjake]

17. HILLARY WILL NOT RUN!!!!

or i will shoot myself

[Mz Pip]

18. No she doesn't

People will have to vote for her in the Primaries. I know I won't.

MzPip:dem:

[Crunchy Frog]

19. I think that's bullshit

but if it's true, I don't even see the point of bothering to show up to vote.

[goobergunch]

20. Nothing In The Future Is Definite (n/t)

[pdx_prog]

21. Never happen

[GRLMGC]

22. she has to get through the primaries

You act like all Dems like her and she has to get through Iowa and NH first. I mean look at all the dislike towards her here. Imagine more conservative Dems?

[Pastiche423]

23. lol

[Garbo 2004]

24. Sounds like a Dick Morris talking point. He's the one that started pushing

the HRC candidacy on Fox and the Republicans salivate at the mere thought.

It's interesting when Dems repeat the Repubs' talking points as if they're fact. Since the next four years are ahead of us, it remains to be seen if the party will rollover and play politics as usual or really stand for something. In that light, talking about 2008 at all at this point is irrelevant.

[vickie]

25. I don't think so.

[Zynx]

26. She would start strong, but fade every week.

[meganmonkey]

27. Evidence, please. Back it up.

"Some of you just need to accept the fact"

I don't think this is fact, and looking at the thread, I am not alone.
If it is true, I really doubt the dems would win. I, as an independent, would likely end my recent affinity toward the democratic party. And I know many others like myself who tend to vote third-party/independent (but got behind Kerry) would not vote Dem with Hilary leading the ticket. Maybe as VP with a more progressive Pres candidate.

[Zuni]

29. No, she is not the nominee

I already e-mailed the DNC against it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[Q]

32. Look...we backed 'centrist' Kerry in November to keep Bush* out of office.

...but the party won't accept another candidate that won't speak out against the most corrupt executive branch in our history. How can we trust someone that KNOWS about and has witnessed the corruption and won't do anything about it?

- We need to start fresh...with a candidate of, by and for the people.

- If she's the nominee against the will of the majority...you're going to see thousands of Dems either leave the party or not vote at all.

[psyntist]

34. Great another election lost before it starts n/t

blah

[thinkingwoman]

35. and she'll lose the election

The country won't elect catholics or jews or black men, let alone women.

Seriously.

[TriMetFan]

36. Who really cares if its her??????

It doesn't matter we just need to get behind who ever it is in 2008 and also make sure that there is a paper trail for the votes!:mad:

[Ladybast]

37. Her personality is lifeless

No matter what her beliefs and ideals. She ain't Big Bill by a long shot. That is one of the weaknesses that John Kerry has, and constantly struggled to overcome during this present campaign.

I don't want Hilary to be the 2008 nominee, not because I don't like her, but because she just can win, doesn't have the warmth and magnetism to do it.

[Cuban_Liberal]

38. She won't win a single primary, outside of NY.

Take it to the bank.

[Bridget Burke]

39. Thanks for the right wing talking point.....

But you're such a perfect leftist, aren't you?

[Piperay]

40. NO way would the Democratic Party be STUPID

enough to let Hillary have the nomination unless there're into politcal suicide.

[VOX]

41. No, she does not.

She may run in some of the primaries, but she won't last long.

[kohodog]

42. fuck her and her little dog too.

I'm tired of centrist dems who appease the independants and lose. We need a clear vision on issues that will be accepted by the majority of Americans who happen to be more liberal than the DLC would like us to believe. Bill Clinton started us (dems...the republicans were already there)) on the road to NAFTA and corporate dominance and we need to develop policies for the good of the people, not the good of the corporations. The move to the center effectively killed the new deal and the democratic party.

Time to fire McAullife ant the rest of them.

[UpsideDownFlag]

52. i wouldn't go so far as to say 'fuck her'...but certainly, she'd be a bad

nominee.

[progressivebydesign]

44. Love her.. but PLEASE don't run Hillary as the DLC chosen one. n/t

[jonnyblitz]

45. truly not a very good idea. not big on pro war DLCers here.

I will pass.

[hexola]

46. The "Hillary 08" idea is being planted by right wing operatives....

The whole idea of her running for president is total fabrication by the right...they have been spoon feeding us this shit for years...

I dont trust anyone who suggests this is a good idea...

I think I will hide all threads that mention Hillary 08, and add any poster who suggests she run to my "Ignore" list...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

47. There was a "consensus" in the media that Howard Dean was going to be

the Dem nominee in 2004 also.

That didn't work out so great.

So I disagree that this is a given.

[HughBeaumont]

48. PLEASE do not fall into this trap.

Hillary will lose and lose BIG should she be nominated. Too much previous baggage, too polarizing, no personality, supports offshoring, etc, etc, etc. Faux is seriously pushing this up the yin-yang in hope that the Ioway and New Hampshire Dems will fall for it. PLEASE. STOP. NOW. Hillary '08 will be a disaster big enough to destroy the party.

She'd turn Wisconsin, PA and Michigan into red states. Let's be realistic: you actually think them patriarchal southern bubbas are going to let a FEEE-mayle run this country? Collectively, WE AREN'T THAT PROGRESSIVE and will not be anytime soon. I want to WIN. Hillary is not the way to do it.

[AntiCoup2K4]

50. Smells like Freep Spirit in here, don't it?

Where's that clothespin for my nose?

[UpsideDownFlag]

51. unfortunately, i think you're right. nt

[JohnnyCougar]

53. I have long suspected that you are a freeper...

Now I am convinced.
I am alerting the moderators to your presence.

[Guaranteed]

54. Well screw you too.

I'm not going to accept anything just from your simple decree, thanks.

[Capn Sunshine]

55. Isn't a little early for Hillbots

We're still patching up from the last primary wars, and you absolutists come in and tell us these "truths" that sound like they come with a fresh pitcher of Kool Aid.

I didn't drink it then, and I'm sure the flavor hasn't improved with age.

[IndianaGreen]

56. C'mon Captain, try this new flavor of Kool-Aid...

Nothing like having Big Dog back in the White House taking care of the interns while President Hillary is gone out of the country on business. Can't you see the entertainment value in that?

[amandabeech]

57. It's a relief that there are so many here to don't want Hilary to run.

I thought that I was the only one.

In a way, though, I'd welcome her participation in the primaries because I believe that she would be decisively defeated in Iowa. Then we could all move on.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

58. And she will loses...

I had to make a rhyme. Honestly, unless we address voter fraud, electronic vote stealing machines and ....THE MEDIA, I think we have already lost 2008. No matter who is the nominee. They just showed us that reality means nothing and unless this fraud is revealed and it has an effect, what will ever stop these neocon bastards and their paid for media?




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