HE IS BACK michael moore !!!!! Evidence Mounts Evidence Mounts

[AnIndependentTexan]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=284

I'm trying to keep this up and posted

[PartyPooper]

1. Thanks for posting this! And, thank you, Michael Moore!

:hi:

[TexasChick]

2. Kick! (Sigh) I'm not going to hold my breath though...just wishing! n/t

[Cha]

13. NOne of us are "holding our breath"!

We're working our asses off, instead!

[TexasChick]

46. Really? Well, tell me how and I will be glad to join you. I haven't seen

enough evidence yet to send to the media to get this ball rolling. What are y'all doing because I am totally lost on all of this! Look, I'm not a genious, but was smart enough to not get duped by chimp and voted for Kerry! Now, think about it, if this isn't making any sense to me, how is it going to sound to the little sheeple? They are just going to cry foul and say we are just trying to bring down the president! If you are just talking about spreading it to the media right now, then by all means, give me some details on how and maybe a sample letter to send. I am not good with this stuff! Okay?

[goclark]

59. You are right, this is not your strong suit

At least you are honest.

Now, keep reading the posts and you will begin to see that the case for FRAUD is not rocket science.

The machines were messed with to give the desired results to Bush.

I would spend more time but we must stay busy taking back the right for all votes to count!

[demwing]

77. You know, that was harsh

was that really required? I don't think so.

We know you're busy with some very difficult work, but if you could take the time to be snide, couldn't you have taken the time to be polite as well?

[goclark]

84. Life is tough and so is our enemy. We are at war

and the battle is for the TRUTH.


If you are not a Rethug in hiding the shoe should not fit your foot.
I was simply trying to let you know that the info is availabe all over the place.


BUSH STOLE votes!

[LibertyorDeath]

78. Here help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2636130&mesg_id=2636130

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[OhioChick]

3. Thanks for posting....

You go, Mike!

[Pithy Cherub]

4. YES!

And of all people to quote that there was fraud, Faux's Dick Morris. We really have gone down the rabbit hole! Michael Moore is on the case!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[AP]

5. Every DU'er who came on here and argued that McBride was a better nominee

than Reno was on my list of people suspected of being either idiots or covert freepers or both (or of just being suckers for the arguments of one of the preceding).

[madfloridian]

6. Which am I? Idiot or covert freeper?

That is just insulting. Many of us KNEW McBride personally and sincerely thought so. I don't think so now. But I find your comments totally insulting.

[AP]

7. Third category: a bad handicapper, as Aussie Dodger might say.

[DoYouEverWonder]

62. We all make mistakes

Yes, good people did support McBride. The question still remains, who was behind him and who pushed to make him the DEM choice so Jeb wouldn't have to run against Reno?

[seemslikeadream]

9. AP you might be interested in this

starting at post #22 There is some discussion of Reno and Mel Semler

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=27340&mesg_id=28958&page=

[Cha]

14. I thought mcbride was the better candidate..

I WAS WRONG! I'll admit it when I'm wrong!

[madfloridian]

15. Well, then, my friend....Little old AP says we are bad handicappers.

Instead of freepers and idiots. Isn't he a lovely fellow?

[Cha]

17. I don't even know what that means..

I just know ..I thought in my inexperience in Politics from up here in New York that mcbride was the one.

I thought he did well in the debate in the primaries. Except that State Senator Daryl Jones was really SHARP!

And then in the General debate..mcbride sucked,imv..what the hell happened?

[AP]

25. It means "bad prognosticator." Perhaps, easily swayed by RW propaganda

and not so good at drawing out the arc and seeing where things are headed.

[madfloridian]

26. Not sure what happened with McBride.

We donated a lot, worked hard, but near the end something was off with the campaign. Just not right.

Speak of Daryl Jones: We think will support him, pretty sure he will run again.

[AP]

29. Perhaps he was only meant to win the primary and tank the GE.

By the way, it was Carlos whom I suspected the most.

His pro-neoliberalism term paper was another big tip-off.

[Cha]

32. What do you mean?..

"it was Carlos whom I suspected the most.

His pro-neoliberalism term paper was another big tip-off."

I missed that part of DU!

[AP]

34. Carlos posted his paper for his MA class and asked for comments.

It was basically a love letter to imperialism and neoliberalism. It was all about how great it was for Bechtel to own the water companies of South American countries and about how much wealth privatization of public utilities could create.

I was shocked that he thought that would go over well here.

Carlos was a huge supporter of McBride and was the first person to really tear down Reno. At that time, I believe Carlos was claiming that he lived in Florida. Interestingly, during the primaries he claimed he lived in Iowa. And when he wasn't claiming to have personal knowledge of FL and IA politics, he was claiming he lived in DC. Interesting how that all works.

[Cha]

38. Aha! And now I see why he was banned

from DU. He was full of bullshit like sevenethson.

And any of you other freakin' fucking freepers lurking and posting your little shit posts right now!

[AP]

39. Shockingly, that was an early Carlos post. I think he was banned just for

being rude. It had nothing to do with politics. Maybe I'm misremembering.

Carlos got to slip a lot of BS into the discussion here (along with a few interesting comments). His M.O. was just to be naive about a lot of shit, and to profusely post a lot of right tilting crap.

[Cha]

42. I know he was rude to me ..but

I didn't buy any of his crap.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

16. McBride WAS better than Reno.

Feel free to call me a Freeper or an idiot, if you like. But one thing I know for sure is that anyone who says Reno would have been better is an idiot AND a liar.

As soon as I saw that part in this article I raised an eyebrow...

[AP]

24. Let's see what happens with this FBI investigation, eh?

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

33. Oh, I'm ALL for that.

But I'm not going to sit here and agree that Reno was better than McBride. McBride wasn't great but Reno was a freaking train wreck. And the repuks were pulling for her, for good reason...That's why I raised an eyebrow here.

[AP]

36. Oh, I'll admit that on election night I thought there were shenanigans...

...going on to get Reno the nomination. But I'll also admit that by that point I was probably a sucker for the anti-Reno BS.

Notwithstanding the primary election night, both when McBride came on the scene in the primaries and when he was running for the GE, I believed that the signs were pretty clear that his candidacy was more about keeping Reno away from a spirited race vs. Jeb than about winning the race for the Democrats.

[Catfight]

57. I actually preferred Daryl Jones, I think he would have been a great

Governor. IMO

[timtom]

80. I voted for Reno in the primaries.

And I remember someone (maybe it was here) posited the idea that Jeb pushed the meme that the republicans weren't afraid of Reno. Now, McBride -- there was a serious challenger. When McBride won the primary, I reluctantly threw in with his group of voters. But, I knew it over in the first 15 minutes of the first debate. He had a deer-in-the-headlights look that never went away. I knew we'd been set up and had.

I'm not going to suggest any more recent scenarios, but I did vote for Kucinich in the primaries. Kucinich was the most marginilized, trivialized, ignored candidate I've ever seen. You could see the cameras avoiding him at every turn.

[tommcintyre]

8. I hope he gets more involved: EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm

[SomthingsGotaGive]

10. Hey Add this link from his site to your title and thread

he links to our fight on his must read new section

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php

Check the fighting link.


GO TEAM GO !!!!!

[twenty2strings]

11. What Michael Moore did!.....scandalous..

He actually DID something...I don`t criticize people who DO. DO, Duers Du! ...:bounce:

[Cha]

12. Not only this..but when you read "Mike's

Message" then you see that the youth DID TURN OUT!

How many places have you read..the youth disappointed the Dems?

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

18. The youth DID dissapoint the Dems.

It was the exact same percentage as in 2000. But, the good news is, we picked-up more of the percentage this time.

[bigtree]

20. That's because more people voted

that nulliofied the percentage increase. You're discounting the effect on local races also.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

It was the exact same percentage.

That's fact. No sense in trying to spin it any other way.

We can say there were more of them voting, but so what? It's all about percentages.

(Or, should we bow-down to The Idiot in Chief because he got more votes than anyone in history...Only because there are more people??)

[Cha]

27. This article begs to differ ..

NINE FUCKING PERCENTAGE POINTS!

"Big Voter Turnout Seen Among Young People

Fri Nov 5, 4:30 PM ET

By MARTHA IRVINE, AP National Writer

Under-30 voters came through in big numbers this year, with more than 20 million casting a ballot for president, researchers found. The turnout bested their 2000 showing by more than nine percentage points and heartened activists who worked to get young voters to the polls."


More at..
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_ge/young_voters&printer=1

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

31. Oh...OK...I see the spin now...

The FUCKING PERCENTAGE was exactly the same as in 2000...

From that same article...

"Turnout increased among other age groups, too, leaving young voters with roughly the same proportion of the total electorate nationally as in 2000."


Personally, I'm interested in facts. Not feel-good bullshit. The outstanding part remains...We increased our percentage of this vote. Just as I already stated.

[Cha]

35. It's not "feel good bullshit"..the

young people got out in record numbers this time..and that's not bullshit..no matter how you try to spin it.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

44. Like I said...

People came out in record numbers to support the Idiot in Chief too.

The PERCENTAGE of young people voting needs to increase. That is reality, not waste of time, feel-good bullshit spin.

[Cha]

45. The vote counting machines had much

to do with fucking bush's so called record numbers. Talk about Bullshit!

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

49. Oh jesus...

...I should have known from the beginning that reality wasn't an important topic here.

Bush is a dick of the highest order and I don't trust him but there aint no way anyone's creating millions of fraud votes.

Just forget it. You win. Young people lived up to all the hype and turned-out in record droves and the only reason we lost is due to millions of rigged votes.

Now the question is...Why the fuck should we even TRY anymore? The Boogie Man has our number no matter what we do.


Sigh...

[Cha]

51. Au contraire..."reality" is important here...

And you'll find that out if you stick around.

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

53. I was speaking of this conversation not the forum as a whole.

Of course on the forum I avoid the conspiracy theory threads...It's harder to identify the same within individual threads.

Good bye.

[Cha]

56. Whatever, dude.

Voter fraud isn't a conspricacy theory.

[high density]

54. The youth vote is the ONLY age group that went to Kerry

and the turnout was better than 1992. So stop blaming this on those of us under 30. Thank you.

"This time, young voters were the only group that favored Democrat Kerry. The AP's exit polls found that under-30s favored Kerry over Bush, 55 percent to 44 percent, compared to a 48-46 edge for Al Gore in 2000."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=230341

[Reality Not Tin Foil]

58. I'm not blaming anyone...

...I'm just staing simple FACT.

The "Youth Vote" stayed exactly the same as in 2000. Regardless of all our efforts. And, it remains unreliable, unfortunately.

But again, we did pick-up a higher pecentage over Bush than in 2000. That's great.

We just don't need to spin here. The facts are pretty simple.

[high density]

68. It's not spin.

The fact is that more of them came out than in 2000, along with more voters in all other age groups.

[bigtree]

71. same percentage

but more youth voting. They made a difference even though we lost overall. More folks voted so the percentage remained the same. I wouldn't say that was insignificant. You want them to come out next time donch? Don't be so quick to discount the importance of their participation or their effect. Still, you discount their effect on local races. Overall it was a bust, sure, but they showed up and gave the other side a run. Do you know how many were herded into uncounted provisional ballots? How many voted early or absentee and weren't counted? I think it's a rube's game relying on an incomplete count to gauge anything from this election.

[Cha]

28. Check out the article on

post #27, bigtree!

[bigtree]

72. thanks!

[goclark]

60. They didn't disappoint me

The youth did a beautiful job.

It is the wimped out adults that need to get off their butts now and work to make every vote count.

Know thy enemy, its Bush not our children.

[TriMetFan]

21. The Young Adults did not leave us high and dry.

Just like the Gay/Lesbians aren't at fault either. The Neo-Cons just flat out stoled the Election again.

[Booster]

19. Kick, and, once again, Mike to the rescue. Go, Mike.

[Demlady]

22. THANK YOU MICHAEL

I knew it,,,, I knew it......not hearing anything from Kerry or
Moore was unusual.....Smart men like these guys will be quiet
and get the ammunition ready.....As Chimp would say
"LET"S ROLL

[newyawker99]

82. Ho Demlady!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[twenty2strings]

23. Revenge of the nerds?...That's right....

Ok we need the best of the best nerds to do this because when this turd floats to the surface I want to see a very big highly effective info dump. Gee we're known for our big time new York city lawyers. The true feelings of Texapublicans for the Demo victims in the towers is characterized by the classic salsa commercial..."New York City!!! ...Get a rope.":think:

[Warren DeMontague]

30. Here's a Question For Bev/Will/ or Any BBV experts

Okay- so I'm reading, again, the lowdown on the GEMS tabulating software, about the two sets of books, right?

From the truthout piece on BBV, it says that the second ledger, the one that is sent to the central tabulator, is the one that is under suspiction for being able to be altered. And ledger #1 retains the original voting information, so that individual precincts can be spot-checked against paper ballots and the like.

Therefore, if the actual unaltered information remains in ledger one, wouldn't it be possible to figure out what the real numbers were? Add them up and get the real results? Is this information still out there? Can we get it? Subpoena it? Demand it?

[AmerDem]

37. It's all up to us now people

we have to get this ball rolling fast. we need to contact everyone and take to the streets if need be. We can't let this slide another day.

[bacchant]

40. The BBV video is down on votergate.tv - there's a message about their

site having been attacked to keep people from viewing the BBV video. Is there a mirror?

[americanwomanone]

41. Mike I Love You!!n/t

[DemExpat]

43. Please, please let this be happening!!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

DemEx

[peabody71]

47. Welcome aboard. You are an escential component!

[rockydem]

48. This is the problem: what exactly is the evidence?

Those counties cited went for Bush in 2000 and most went for Dole in 1996(perot factor). So those counties cited are not prima facie evidence of fraud. They were dixiecrat Dems in those counties - like Strom Thurmond, etc....

There may be other evidence but these counties aren't solid evidence of anything, at least from what I've seen thus far.

[Digit]

50. The message is spreading...keep it going!

The truth WILL come out!

[Amaya]

52. Thank you for posting this!

:kick:

[Bread and Circus]

55. I'm no tin-foiler, but I'm beginning to believe this thing was hacked.

[Baja Margie]

61. Thank You !

Oh, this is great. Thank You !


Also, you can e-mail that page to all of your relatives and friends, I just did.

Spread the word.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

[gordianot]

63. Moore is a patriot. I have one question.

They prove major fraud in Florida for this election. What happens to Florida's electoral vote in December? Does Florida conduct another election.


I have a new mantra, "Jeb in Jail".


:bounce:

[Chiyo-chichi]

64. I hope that Michael Moore's next film is about electronic voting fraud!

Go Mike!

[Catchawave]

65. God Help America..........

Thanks for posting this article. I read all the articles and liked Mike's thoughts in this one too:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=285

[stepnw1f]

66. Thank You, Mike!!!

Love ya buddy!

[UdoKier]

67. Kick.

nt

[cheshire]

69. Amen for Michael. He is our duck tape.

[TryingToWarnYou]

70. Outstanding article... *now* I understand the issue of BBV.

I did not know it was all basically added up on a normal PC running Windows and Office. For christs sake... nobody either cared about security or it wasnt implemented.

[Cookie wookie]

74. On Diebold, the database is Access!

[Cookie wookie]

73. Hooray

:bounce:

[oasis]

75. kick

[donheld]

76. I'd sell both Kidneys

for one bit of proof.

[radfringe]

79. caught a talking head yakking about results vs exit polls

his logic was that those taking the exit polls "picked" the wrong demographic to poll -- and that's why the polls were off

other than the two bush* (s)elections -- how "off" have the exit polls in previous elections been?

I find it a bit difficult to believe the exit polls have been "off" for two (s)elections in a row -- especially after 2000 -- media talking heads overly emphasised how they were taking special care and caution in their coverage and reporting of 2004 (s)election. Was this just hype to "reassure" the public?

In the late hours of reporting -- the numbers shifted from a Kerry win to a bush* win.... just like they did in 2000 (from a Gore win to a bush* win)

ok my :tinfoilhat: may need to be relined with new tinfoil -- but things aren't adding up

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. Go Michael!

:kick:

[pdx_prog]

83. Go MM!

[cdp]

85. MM...

just like Rush L., preaches to the choir. Joe Average isn't going to be moved by this.

[Bridget Burke]

86. A new member!

Michael Moore has his opinions, but he's way ahead of your pal Rush.

For one thing, he makes movies. Popular movies. Movies that make money.

[AnIndependentTexan]

87. boo

[AnIndependentTexan]

88. boo