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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:53 PM
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We can thank the Chimp for the Fallujah Marines turning desperate
Marines turn to God ahead of anticipated Fallujah battle
Sat Nov 06 2004 09:37:17 ET

NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq, Nov 6 (AFP) - With US forces massing outside Fallujah, 35 marines swayed to Christian rock music and asked Jesus Christ to protect them in what could be the biggest battle since American troops invaded Iraq last year.

Men with buzzcuts and clad in their camouflage waved their hands in the air, M-16 assault rifles laying beside them, and chanted heavy metal-flavoured lyrics in praise of Christ late Friday in a yellow-brick chapel.

They counted among thousands of troops surrounding the city of Fallujah, seeking solace as they awaited Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's decision on whether or not to invade Fallujah.

"You are the sovereign. You're name is holy. You are the pure spotless lamb," a female voice cried out on the loudspeakers as the marines clapped their hands and closed their eyes, reflecting on what lay ahead for them.

The US military, with many soldiers coming from the conservative American south and midwest, has deep Christian roots.

In times that fighting looms, many soldiers draw on their evangelical or born-again heritage to help them face the battle.

"It's always comforting. Church attendance is always up before the big push," said First Sergeant Miles Thatford.

"Sometimes, all you've got is God."

Between the service's electric guitar religious tunes, marines stepped up on the chapel's small stage and recited a verse of scripture, meant to fortify them for war.

One spoke of their Old Testament hero, a shepherd who would become Israel's king, battling the Philistines some 3,000 years ago.

"Thus David prevailed over the Philistines," the marine said, reading from scripture, and the marines shouted back "Hoorah, King David," using their signature grunt of approval.

The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world.

"Victory belongs to the Lord," another young marine read.

Their chaplain, named Horne, told the worshippers they were stationed outside Fallujah to bring the Iraqis "freedom from oppression, rape, torture and murder ... We ask you God to bless us in that effort."

The marines then lined up and their chaplain blessed them with holy oil to protect them.

"God's people would be annointed with oil," the chaplain said, as he lightly dabbed oil on the marines' foreheads.

The crowd then followed him outside their small auditorium for a baptism of about a half-dozen marines who had just found Christ.

The young men lined up and at least three of them stripped down to their shorts.

The three laid down in a rubber dinghy filled with water and the chaplain's assistant, Navy corpsman Richard Vaughn, plunged their heads beneath the surface.

Smiling, Vaughn baptised them "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."

Dripping wet, Corporal Keith Arguelles beamed after his baptism.

"I just wanted to make sure I did this before I headed into the fight," he said on the military base not far from the city of Fallujah.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:55 PM
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1. Pauline Christians are one sick group of crazies
too bad they know very little about the teaching of the one they claim to follow.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:09 PM
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4. Well, they say there are no atheists on the battlefield. nt
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 11:09 PM by BullGooseLoony
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:18 PM
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37. That's true. Personally, I turned agnostic in Vietnam.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 10:58 PM
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2. praise jesus and pass the ammunition. ..
sick, sick messed up bunch of brainwashed fools.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:03 PM
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3. I think they need to read this
Edited on Sun Nov-07-04 11:22 PM by G_j
http://www.lnstar.com/mall/literature/warpray.htm

The War Prayer
by Mark Twain

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.
It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came-next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their faces alight with material dreams-visions of a stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!-then home from the war, bronzed heros, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation -- "God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!"

Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was that an ever--merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory -

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there, waiting.

With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal,"Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said

"I come from the Throne-bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd and grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import-that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of-except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of His Who hearth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this-keep it in mind. If you beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer-the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it-that part which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory-must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause)

"Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits."

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.



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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:17 PM
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8. IInsert deity's name here) bless Mark Twain
Tragically funny, as usual.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:42 AM
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43. God bless em
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 12:44 AM by themartyred
they are doing what they are forced to do as signed up soldiers and as long as they're not choosing to shoot obvious civilians then I can't question too much other than I think war is bad in any circumstance, but I think it's good they're getting saved before they die. I mean that. Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees, and it's very possible they are so in tune with what they're being programmed and shown, that what WE know never gets to them. My brother was that way and now he's back, he's seeing what's really going on. Too bad that Bush took his sight off the real killer, OSAMA. I had a friend who wanted to become a Navy Seal and he realized what he'd be doing, killing, and quickly turned to pacifism. I pray his mind's still that way.

But of course, we don't want to anger the Saudi Royal Family and Bandar Bush, now DO WE?????????????????????????????
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novadem Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:28 AM
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18. Why are you poking fun at someone else's religion?
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 06:30 AM by novadem
These Marines are about to go into battle, it doesn't say much about you that you would see this as an opportunity to criticize. Americans are free to worship as they please.

Comment is a response to thread starter.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:33 AM
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19. complain to Mark Twain
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 06:34 AM by G_j
But I don't take his "War Prayer" as 'making fun' at all. It seems to me he was deadly serious.

on edit: just read your edit...

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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:54 AM
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21. Because their "religion" is a threat to America
eom
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Dem_Loyalist Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:23 PM
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40. Christians tend to take a beating here
Other than that it's a pretty nice place.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:10 PM
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5. praise gawd!
and hand me a viper!

cheezus fucking christ. primates.
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Baja Margie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:12 PM
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6. this is making me really sick.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:13 PM
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7. I think folks are failing to take into account the fear of death that
our troops are facing.

I imagine that even those who are not evangelicals are softening up to God right now.
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Wols Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:38 PM
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10. Exactly BullGoose
I wouldn't dog these guys for this. When you're facing death you're gonna reach out to a higher power.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:42 PM
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11. You know, it's funny- I include whoever wrote that article in that, too.
It seems like they kind of missed the idea- in favor of a "the troops favor Bush" POV, of course.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:15 AM
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25. Atheists do not have as much fear of death as those who believe do
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 09:27 AM by Marianne
and who frantically resort to mumbo jumbo ritual in order to assure themselves they are not going to hell should they die. Ritual, be it by immersion, or beating drums, is a way in times of fear to resort summon the gods to protect one and not protect the other.

Now if that helps someone I wish them well, however, it does not give anyone here the right to mock those who do not, such as atheists.



Atheists have been on battlegrounds and in foxholes throughout the wars and can shoot as straight as anyone else who may find ritual comforting.

How arrogant to assume that someone who does not beieve in summoning gods when he/she is in a threatening situation, will resort to converting to , and this is funny, THEIR god as if there were no other to petition, but that has always been the arrogant assumption of most Christians in the West even those who advocate the benevolent intelligent force as god theory.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:24 PM
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38. HUH? Who's mocking atheists?
Everyone here seems to be mocking the THEISTS.

And I'm not saying that every atheist suddenly becomes a believer. But you can damn well bet that those that don't think about God much start thinking about him when the bullets start flying.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:10 AM
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30. I totally agree, and the article makes me sick too, but
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 11:11 AM by faithfulcitizen
for different reasons. The writer is mocking the soldiers and faith. If you don't believe in God, fine, but these men joined the military for an honorable cause. They didn't and don't expect their "commander in chief" and their country to betray them, but they did. When people are facing imminent death, they seek a higher power, it's just that simple. Over 90% of people in this country believe in God or a higher power. While, I would defend anyone's right to disagree, those who don't need to accept that. If the Democratic party does not include people of faith and continues to mock them, it's days are surely numbered.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:31 PM
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9. And believers wonder why we sometimes think they're nuts
Truly, though, the blame lies with those who actively cultivate the belief in supernatural immortality to steel people against the reality of mechanized mass murder.

Boo-rah!
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StickNCA Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-04 11:49 PM
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12. Well I know damn well that I'd be praying
my ass off if I was in their shoes too.



No matter your views on the war, the front line soldiers and their families deserve your support.


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bo44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:27 AM
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16. Will they pray for comfort afterward?
The psychological wounds that fester upon return to the real world will cripple those without some kind of faith. I wonder how many will be angry with God for not performing the "miracle" they pray for?
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 08:59 AM
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22. As a veteran I'm done supporting the troops
And the blood they spill will be on the hands of the 59 million idiots that supported bush.

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Carson Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:21 AM
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13. I pray every day. Does that make me pathetic?
And I'm not even facing death in battle.

This bashing of prayer and religion is disheartening and sickening.

If you don't agree with what those soldiers believe (namely God), then keep your mouth shut. What good could possibly come of making fun of them?

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:33 AM
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14. You don't get it
Yes, praying in battle or times of trouble is certainly what many do. There is nothing wrong with that.

But praying that God will help you KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE is not what Jesus would have wanted.

There is nothing I mentioned that bashes praying or spirituality. What bugs the hell out me is that the old "God is on our side" tactics used from the Crusades to kill innocent people is now being used.

Add that these soldiers need not be in this STUPID FUCKING WAR.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:13 AM
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15. "If you don't agree with what those soldiers believe (namely God)...
then keep your mouth shut."

When she witnesses, the board almost becomes a chapel, doesn't it?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:00 AM
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17. they could pray for forgiveness but...
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 06:37 AM by G_j
"The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world."

:puke:
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:41 AM
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20. There are no atheists in a fox hole.nt
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:05 AM
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24. and if they found one they would shoot him/her
Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 09:19 AM by Marianne
for not praying for their safety and then praise the lord that his will was done? Or if they are wounded, blame the athiest next to him/her for not praying or indulging in religious ritual? Or demand they only have a Christian for a buddy next to them, or demand atheists be kept out of the military? Go on witch hunts?

You know this is really foolish. Should the mocking myth be believed, you are really putting people at risk in a time of danger.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:15 PM
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34. Bullshit.
Your cliche is insulting to my principles. How dare you suggest that I would abandon principles I've held my entire life because of circumstances? Do atheists lack moral fiber? Is that where you're going?
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 09:03 AM
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23. Huh...if you inserted a different god
and made the soldiers into The Enemy, then we'd be using material like this to prove they were sick fanatics.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:05 AM
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26. And those on the other side
pray just as hard and fervently for the death of the invaders.

And the Lord God said "Oh my God, which side to choose?"

180
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:50 AM
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27. Personally, I don't blame them
If I was going into an all-out offensive, I'd be prayin' to Gawd too--and I'm an atheist!
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:56 AM
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28. EYAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Whaaaaaat??? This article just freaked me out beyond all other freak outs.

They truly do want to un-do the Enlightenment.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:06 AM
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29. zulchzulu
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source
and provide a link to
the news source.

Thank you.

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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 12:56 PM
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31. This is about the ONLY comfort they have
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:00 PM
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32. THEY ARE INSANE
I am so done with Christianity.
It makes me sick.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:10 PM
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33. It's just the Christian version of "Allahu Akbar!"
That whole region is full of religious fanatics killing each other. Seems like anyone who goes there is compelled to kill and/or die in the name of their various gods. Why would our troops be any different?

Even the Chimp is not entirely to blame. His religious and familial background compel him to wage war, and his Dominionist followers demand him to bring Yahweh's wrath down upon the heathens in the Holy Land.
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:17 PM
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36. No religious war here...nope...move along, folks. Nothing to see.
sarcasm on.
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 01:17 PM
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35. Jesus help me to kill

I don't remember that section of the gospels.

Damn religion. It is the source of so much evil.

rcm
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 10:50 PM
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39. "warriors fighting barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world."
Don't people ever learn are we doomed to repeat the same evil shit over & over in some surrealistic nightmare.

There are at least 100 thousand dead Iraqi Civilians (low estimate)
They all have brothers fathers mothers sisters uncles etc
What would you do if an occupying Army killed your loved one(s)
I know what I would do.

This is an endless circle of shit they are creating the hate will go on for generations.

There is nothing new under the sun War is about Power Greed & Avarice
all vices all condemned by Jesus Christ.

So they can pray all they fucking want but whether they kill or are killed ultimately they are just cannon fodder in one more mad fuckers war.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 11:44 PM
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41. Sickening
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:37 AM
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42. what a bunch of fucking weirdos 'the troops' are nt
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