30 Counties In Ohio with Vote Totals HIGHER than Registered Voters

[writes2000]

Can anyone else confirm this info or vouch for this site?

If this is true, it is undeniable proof of election tampering.

http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

[NewYorkerfromMass]

1. The only possibility is that people voted both absentee and in person

I just read that on another thread. It seems to make sense and could be easily determined.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. Or that extra votes, most likely for the emperor, were "generated" as if

by magic, through the power of computers.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. But Ohio is not mostly computers

it is op-scan I believe. DIebold only in Columbus and Cleveland area.

[hang a left]

4. So let the counting begin. n/t

[txindy]

5. But the op-scan totals are generated on a central PC

An easily-hacked, run-of-the-mill PC.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. Ooh boy. That changes things a bit then.

Impound the ballots!

[gauguin57]

24. Those op-scan ballots are filled out in pencil. They can damned well

be counted BY HAND!

[txindy]

34. That would've made things much easier, wouldn't it?

Which may be why it wasn't set up that way to begin with. ;) Happily for us, we can re-count them by hand the way they should have been counted in the first place. :toast:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

6. If these companies like ES&S have their grubby fingers anywhere near

the vote counting and adding process, it doesn't have to be the actual voting machine itself...

[KittyWampus]

15. Optical Scans Are Electronic Via Tabulators.

so rather than use the word "computer" perhaps use the word e-voting.

e-voting and paperless e-voting.

[rinsd]

8. Questions....

Does OH have same day registration?

If so are the new registrants figured into the total?

[txindy]

10. I believe October 4th was the last day to register in Ohio

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I just read that this afternoon, though.

[Lady President]

12. You're right

October 4th was the last day to register.

[Nadeaufan17]

11. No

Ohio doesn't have same day registration.

[LisaL]

16. OH has a deadline for registration a month before the election.

So,there can not be any "new" registrants on the day of the election.

[Sparkle]

9. Does anyone know if this is common? Did this happen in past elections?

[DebJ]

13. Here in York Pa, we had two voters who were registered twice.

Only voted once though...we caught it...I caught it...

[writes2000]

14. 90,000 Extra Votes In One County is HUGE!

[sendero]

17. If John Kerry ...

... doesn't care about this, who am I to care?

I'm working on the assumption that all of this info was in the hands of the campaign, after all they did have a "team of watchers and lawyers" at the ready, no?

At this point in time, all this is moot IMHO. It is over.

[m berst]

19. you are an American citizen

As such, the vote, the Constitution and the government belong to you, not to John Kerry. That is who you are.

[sendero]

20. That's nice...

... but until someone with a high profile, someone with clout, makes an issue of the suspicious nature of some of the numbers, well, not a damn thing is going to happen. So, since that seems more and more unlikely by the day, I'm getting less and less interested in it.

[Generator]

22. six congressmen are investigating

If you don't have cable and can't see Countdown on MSNBC-I'm sure the transcript will be up tomorrow.

[sendero]

23. Forgive my resigned acquiescense...

... but this is deja-vu all over again IMHO. Just like 2000, everyone knew there was fraud all over the place, and damn near nothing was done.

As a practical matter, unless someone goes on live TV and admits they rigged the counts, there is no effing way that Bush** is not going to be the president.

They will out-yell us, accuse us of trying to "win in the courts", etc, etc, etc. And most people will happily believe them.

The time to have challenged this election was about 5 days ago. Now it's just a lot of pissing in the wind.

I'd love to be wrong about this, but I doubt if I am.

[m berst]

26. deja vu

Yes, they are screwing us again. As to our response... that is up to us.

We are duty bound to try. As patriots. As a matter of honor and principle.

You are free to quit. No need to discourage others, though.

[sendero]

30. I'm not trying to discourage anyone..

.... be my guest! But anyone who thinks that sending emails is going to do jack-shit about this situation is a total deludinoid.

My basic point: John Kerry is one of the few people in a position to do anything effective. He's not doing it. Either he:

1) thinks there was no fraud or,
2) doesn't mind that there was fraud or,
3) doesn't want to enjoin the fight against fraud


You guys and gals keep sending emails, but until someone with gravitas raises the issue, the issue is 100% dead.

Sorry to break the bad news, but I'm pretty sure about this, I've seen it all before.

[m berst]

31. it is much more than you are seeing

There may be criminal investigations.

Badnarik, Nader and Cobb may combine forces. They have a right to contest results.

You may think that you have seen it all before (ahhh Americans what are we going to do with us) but I can promise you that you have never seen anything like this before, and no one ever has.

Forget about Kerry. This for us. Our votes. Our country.

[m berst]

25. ok ok ok

Don't yell. I am not criticizing you. Someone with clout will emerge.

You are losing interest in the death of democracy, yet have interest enough to correct me?

We are talking about something much, much bigger here than a few suspicious numbers.

[Toucano]

18. It's 30 precincts in Cuyahoga county, I think.

As opposed to 30 counties.

[nancyharris]

21. Before you jump to any conclusions…

Take the time to READ the warning listed on the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections site from which this information is taken. It states quite plainly (in red letters) that the number of votes cast for municipalities with wards needs to be derived by adding the total of each individual ward within the municipality. For instance, Mayfield Village municipality, which is listed as having 3145 votes cast (113.7%) actually had only 1,760 votes cast (add Wards 1,2,,3 and 4).

In fact, if you add up the votes cast in ANY municipality with wards you will see that it does not equal the listed votes cast for the whole municipality.

Also note that this site was last updated at 2:12AM November 3rd. and is listed as “unofficial”.

There is a phone number on the site for anyone having questions.

[Bootleg]

29. Called Cuyahoga County this morning

I called their board of elections this morning and they explained the discrepancy in terms of how they total districts having more than one ward. I suggested they make their explanation easier to follow on the website, but it doesn't look like they've taken my advice.

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Bootleg!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[gasperc]

27. NO, no county recorded more votes than registered in OHIO

I am putting together a spreadsheet right now of the data from the SOS. I have noticed anywhere from 0.5% to 8% vote spoilage and in every county at least 2-3% seem to only vote for president, meaning as you go down the ticket the total vote count drops off. In the Senate race for instance, 193,000 fewer votes were recorded. I have not finished the congress and house data yet.

[Awsi Dooger]

33. Correct, that's what I have found also

There is an earlier post regarding wards within municipalities that DUers should look at. That aspect confused me when I began looking at Ohio on Saturday. I'm very familiar with Florida but almost zero with Ohio.

The spoilage issue among punch cards popped up again, no doubt costing us plenty. The percentage of president-only votes is very normal.

I'm convinced if anything happened it was in Ohio, not Florida, but so far nothing jumps out as bizarre.

[Kazak]

28. All erring in favor of Bush* I would assume...

Correct?

[PatriotGames]

32. No doubt there.