MEME: Conservatives are Pro-BIRTH, not "Pro-Life"

[TeddyKGB]

After the kid's out of the womb, they don't want any of their tax dollars helping them. Unless they grow up to be cannon fodder, that is.

Props to Sister Joan Chittister for the idea on this week's NOW with Bill Moyers.

Pass it on.

[LiberalAndProud]

1. Conservatives are Anti-Sex NOT Pro-Life?

An alternative meme?

edited for spelling

[TeddyKGB]

2. No.

Sex is not the issue here -- it's the fallacy that they truly value human life.

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[Trillo]

4. I like it, as far as it goes.

A birth represents dollars flowing into the system. First, there's doctor bills and baby food. Ask any parent about the continuing expenses of the first 18 years.

Upon adulthood, there's a new taxpayer. It's all about 'economic expansion.'

[laheina]

8. Economic expansion via ...

Cheap-Labor Conservatism, as was mentioned earlier.

My favorite stat regarding abortions and bushie:

Under Clinton, who's policy was to make them safe and RARE, the rate of abortions dropped.

Under Bush, the numbers have started going back up again.

This fact can be linked directly to his economic and social policies: lack of birth control, lack of sex education, lack of jobs... and I can go on, and on, and on.

[Fleurs du Mal]

5. I don't thing it has anything to do with birth

but everything to do with patriarchy. As you said, once a woman has been forced to carry through an undesired pregnancy, they could care less.

[laheina]

9. Not only that

but it becomes her fault. Forget about the man that helped.

[SoCalDem]

6. they are Anti-choice..

:)

[Atillason]

7. for sure

They are anti-choice...make them work with the negative connotation...if we continue to let them get away with "pro-life", they always have the upper hand (who is really anti-life)...

[BlazeCarson5]

10. It comes down to womens rights

Almost all religious conotation concerning women is oppressive. If a woman gets to choose to have an abortion or not the man loses all the power. Its a fear issue much the same as religion is... Men fear women with power and the power to choose what to do with their bodys pregnent or not is scary to those of us less evolved... For instance not trying to insult anyone but my father kept my mother from working almost all her life ... didnt really think about it too much but after 9/11 he became a republican after voting dem his whole life out of fear. Too many people are controlled by fear and make decisions out of it. im gonna stop rambling now

[proudbluestater]

13. It does indeed all boil down to who is in control

It has nothing to do with the "babies." If it did, we would see all those self-righteous antis sitting in hospitals rocking the little ones born to crack-addicted mothers. We'd see them taking in AIDS babies whose mothers are too sick to care for them. THAT we don't see.

They care about who controls women. I don't like abortion, but I like LESS having some gray-haired strange man in Washington who does not know me deciding what I should do with the contents of my uterus.

[Kber]

23. The man doesn't "loose" all power.

Before he pulls his pants down, he can get to know a woman, establish a relationship built on mutual trust and respect, and be reasonably sure that they share the same values, and that he is confident that she would agree to go through with any pregnancy, or healthy pregnancy, or whatever value it is that they share.

It's power, but it's also RESPONSIBILITY. And THAT'S what some men can't handle.

My husband, who has always voted pro-choice and, when he could afford it, gave money to pro-choice organizations and candidates, also made it clear when we were, um, "approaching that point in our relationship", that, while decision to abort a healthy child was indeed mine, he couldn't sleep with me if I thought that's what I'd do. (I'll be honest, it took me a bit by suprise, but I gotta respect someone who is willing to to live his personal values.)

I would think it's pretty hard to force a man to sleep with a woman if he doesn't want to. Any man who whines about not having any power in this situation can kiss my ass.

[rman]

11. that meme is worse then the one we have now: "anti choice"

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[Jane Austin]

12. Wonderful!

n/t

[henslee]

14. Sister Joan was great. That is the haiku" of anti-prolife arguements...

Language really is everything, isn't it?

[REP]

15. Not Pro-Birth or Pro-Natalist, but Pro Forced Birth

Anti-Choice is best of all, though.

[The Flaming Red Head]

16. Pro-natalist policies don't work

http://www.ceausescu.com/ceausescu_texts/overplanned_parenthood.htm

[a kennedy]

17. Nail meet hammer head,

exactly right. This is great, will be using this in my discussion from now on.

[BlueEyedSon]

18. Yup, let's debunk the "culture of life"

1. Bush executed more criminals as Gov ox TX than any other Gov. He granted only one reprieve.

2. War in Iraq killed as many as 100,000 civilians. About half were women and children. Some were even PREGNANT women. All rationale for the war (wit the exception of "Saddam is a bad guy") has be proved to be lies.

3. Health care sucks in this country.... America keeps falling down the list of infant mortality (i.e. its getting higher) for example.

Many more contradictions (hypocrisy?) in Bush's "culture of life" in Peter Singer's book The President of Good and Evil.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0525948139/qid=1100349953/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-9575680-1601709

[radfringe]

19. but after birth (no pun intended)

the babies are someone else's problem

I've listened to the arguments -- the hand wringing and wailing over abortion, followed by slams about people having babies when they can't afford it and how taxpapyers have to support them - but against birth control education because we "know" that telling people how to prevent births will only encourage them to have sex

meanwhile..... http://www.baptiststandard.com/postnuke/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=2458
Abortion rate rises during Bush administration, study reveals
By Robert Marus --ABP Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON (ABP)--A new statistical analysis by an evangelical seminary professor suggests the abortion rate has risen under abortion opponent President Bush, after falling for years under his pro-choice predecessor, Bill Clinton.

----snip----
Stassen used statistics from Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life and the Guttmacher Institute, as well as a statistical analysis of state figures.

"When President Bush took office, the nation's abortion rates were at a 24-year low, after a 17.4 percent decline during the 1990s," he wrote. "This was an average decrease of 1.7 percent per year, mostly during the latter part of the decade.

"Enter George W. Bush in 2001. One would expect the abortion rate to continue its consistent course downward, if not plunge. Instead, the opposite happened."

Although federal statistics on abortion rates only go up to the year 2000, Stassen extrapolated a national rate by analyzing 16 states that reported annual abortion figures for multiple years from 2001 to 2003. In those 16 states, there was a net gain in abortions between 2000 and 2003.

In the three states with statistics that ran through 2003--Kentucky, Michigan and Pennsylvania--all three showed an increase over the period.

[Kber]

24. Evidently, their concern for the sanctity of life begins at conception

and ends at birth.

[Snellius]

20. Should a woman who has an abortion be put to death?

If a woman has an abortion because her doctor tells her that, if she doesn't, she will die, should she be put to death?

[goodboy]

21. nice. I always wondered how they could be "pro-life" and pro war

at the same time.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Good meme.

[bloom]

25. I think they are anti-women...eom

[Jade Fox]

26. How about Pro-Forced Gestation and Birth? n/t

[TeddyKGB]

27. George Carlin:

"Conservatives are all in favor of the unborn. They would do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own.

"Conservatives are obsessed with the fetus, from conception to nine months. After that they don't wanna know about you, they don't wanna hear from you. No nothing. No neo-natal care, no daycare, no Head Start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no wellfare no nothing. If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked.

"Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine, just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."